[obama our lord]

http://www.northstarwriters.com/pi161.htm

Instead of silencing chatter about financial reparations for slavery, Barack Obama’s election has, for too many, spurred new discussions on the issue.

The Reparations Movement has openly pleaded with Michelle Obama to launch a national debate on reparations. Some forces are urging the U.S. government to attend the 2009 UN World Conference against Racism, which the U.S. is boycotting in part because of the reparations issue (not to mention that the sponsoring committee is chaired by a Libyan, and has vice-chairs from such human rights paradises as Iran, Pakistan, Cuba and Russia – quite consistent with the UN’s usual mockery of human rights).

The Tennessee legislature has recently been engaging in a heated debate about apologizing for the past sin of slavery. Even some gay activists are now jumping on the reparations bandwagon in a feeble attempt to attach themselves to the far more compelling African-American story.

To those American blacks demanding reparations, I want to tell you that I agree with you. I agree that if you find any man or woman who has enslaved you or participated in enslaving you, you should milk them for all they’re worth. And I will be extremely happy to help you do it.

But if that doesn’t happen, don’t talk to me about reparations. I don’t owe you a dime.

The terror that was slavery ended nearly 150 years ago, and both its victims and villains have long been buried. Yet today, the likes of Jesse Jackson are demanding not only apologies, but also financial compensation, from legislators who represent neither slave-owners nor slaves.

Even if we accept the farcical arguments that today’s descendents of slave-owners are guilty for their ancestor’s sins, and that descendents of slaves are as victimized as the slaves themselves, the case for reparations remains untenable for a variety of reasons.

Many black American families were never slaves, whether they lived here prior to the Civil War or immigrated afterwards. In fact, they might have been profitable participants from the slave trade themselves. Many more Americans descend from families who never owned slaves, and who moved here after the end of slavery. In fact, they were probably persecuted as well.

Millions of immigrants came to America to avoid death and oppression at the hands of European monarchs, and more recently communism and Islamic radicalism. I myself was born into the Lebanese civil war, and in a country that had at some point been ravaged by the Ottomans, the Mamluks, the Seljuks, the Arabs, the Romans, the Macedonians, the Assyrians, the Armenians, the Persians and others. Even the French managed to colonize the land back when they knew how to fight wars. Should I demand reparations from each?

These occupations usually involved some combination of enslavement, death, starvation and persecution. And some of them took place more recently than the American Civil War. So, again, by what twisted logic am I, now a U.S. citizen, supposed to hand my hard-earned cash over to Al Sharpton and Jeremiah Wright?

Logic doesn’t matter. In my recent visit to Obama’s 20-year spiritual home, Trinity United Church of Christ, I witnessed first-hand the dreadful strategy of some radical black leaders – convince black Americans that they are still enslaved, even if not noticeably. Burn into them the idea that their skin color is their primary identity. Brainwash their children into believing that they are growing up in a vicious, racist society that does not accept them as full human beings.

What these leaders don’t answer is: Where in the world would blacks be better off? Africa, where, if they were not enslaved or forced to join a militia at the age of six, they would die of starvation and disease? Japan, were they would never be embraced by a homogenous society? Or France, where they would be relegated to the impoverished suburbs and turned into expert car-torchers?

Not only did the likes of Sharpton and Jackson never suffer through slavery, but they are far better off than their distant cousins in Africa – due to the deplorable ordeal of their ancestors.

In fact, it is today more desirable to be black in America than it is to be white. One needs to look no further than a current movement by some Arab-Americans to be classified as anything other than “white,” so they are no longer discriminated against by colleges and employers. Meanwhile, anyone with a hint of African blood proudly proclaims his blackness and gets showered with special opportunities because of it.

By every measure, America has given me fewer opportunities than Jesse Jackson. So who should “repair” whom, after all? At the moment, the louder whiner has the advantage. And Jackson whines pretty loudly.

[crisp]

every black is always looking for a hand out. makes me sick. i should get reparations too for the usa invading my country and killing my president. but of course i won't.

[wtf]

begging for handouts is considered "skilled labor" for them

[andywend]

Has anyone here seen the movie "White Man's Burden" with John Travolta?

It is a movie about an alternate United States of America where blacks have all the power and its the whites that live in all the poor ghettos.

People like Jesse Jackson, Jeremiah Wright and organizations like the NAACP will NEVER STOP COMPLAINING about racism until whites become slaves to blacks.

The U.S. government could pay $500,000 to every single African-American in the form of reparations and that would NOT be enough to satisfy racists like Jackson/Wright, etc.

The only reason why these people are taken with a hint of seriousness is due to idiot white liberal democrats.

People of all races, religions and gender will continue to discriminate against each other and all the government intervention will only serve to increase the severity of the discrimination.

[supershark]

That article is pretty inaccurate. In what sense are African Americans being "showered with special opportunities" because of their race? African Americans, on the whole, are still at a serious disadvantage when it comes to educational opportunities, and they still have a much higher percentage of convicts then any other race in America and face stricter sentences. It also seriously blows the debate of reparations out of proportion; everybody knows it isn't going to happen.

[StyleQ]

"wtf" and "crisp" clearly you guys are incompetent bitches. Your comments are so far from the truth, in fact there are FAR more white Americans on welfare than black Americans, at least 7 times as much. Granted, there are also more white Americans but the ratio does not illustrate any large discrepancy between the two races in terms of welfare recipients. Get your facts straight you ignorant assholes.

[andywend]

Originally Posted by StyleQ

"wtf" and "crisp" clearly you guys are incompetent bitches. Your comments are so far from the truth, in fact there are FAR more white Americans on welfare than black Americans, at least 7 times as much. Granted, there are also more white Americans but the ratio does not illustrate any large discrepancy between the two races in terms of welfare recipients. Get your facts straight you ignorant assholes.

StyleQ, you need to get your facts straight. Everything you posted is absolutely wrong.

Percentage of U.S. Population
White 55%, black 12%

Welfare percentages based on race
White 38.8%, black 37.2%

There are approximately 4.5 whites for every black living in the U.S. and yet there are almost as many blacks on welfare as whites.

There is a HUGE discrepancy between the 2 races in terms of welfare recipients. Blacks are far more likely to collect welfare than whites.

StyleQ, everything you post is inaccurate, you are hell bent on defending those that worship the Qaran and want to destroy America and you constantly fling insults anytime someone disagrees with you.

Betting on you being a liberal democrat is the very definition of a free bingo square.

[Bradyd]

Originally Posted by crisp

every black is always looking for a hand out. makes me sick. i should get reparations too for the usa invading my country and killing my president. but of course i won't.

Sounds like you are looking for a hand out.

[Bradyd]

Originally Posted by andywend

StyleQ, you need to get your facts straight. Everything you posted is absolutely wrong.

Percentage of U.S. Population
White 55%, black 12%

Welfare percentages based on race
White 38.8%, black 37.2%

There are approximately 4.5 whites for every black living in the U.S. and yet there are almost as many blacks on welfare as whites.

There is a HUGE discrepancy between the 2 races in terms of welfare recipients. Blacks are far more likely to collect welfare than whites.

StyleQ, everything you post is inaccurate, you are hell bent on defending those that worship the Qaran and want to destroy America and you constantly fling insults anytime someone disagrees with you.

Betting on you being a liberal democrat is the very definition of a free bingo square.

lol, if whites make up 55% of the population and 38.8% on welfare. How is that "almost the same" as a group making up 15% of the population and 37.2 on welfare.. lol This is too funny

[Data]

Originally Posted by Bradyd

lol, if whites make up 55% of the population and 38.8% on welfare. How is that "almost the same" as a group making up 15% of the population and 37.2 on welfare.. lol This is too funny

Perhaps, a little explanation is in order.

38.8% is not the percentage of whites on welfare, as this is the way you mistakenly interpreter the number, it is the percentage of whites among welfare recipients. Same goes for 37.2% being the percentage of blacks among welfare recipients.

[reno cool]

These guys have discovered America again. Obviously there's more poverty among black communities, hence more need for welfare. shocking!!!
And of course this is the reason for the reparations debate in the first place. Due to the history of oppression black communities are in a shitty position today.

[slacker00]

Making political decisions based on race is racist. Quit with affirmative action and everything that is race based. Base it on economic disadvantage, if anything.

[losturmarbles]

Originally Posted by supershark

That article is pretty inaccurate. In what sense are African Americans being "showered with special opportunities" because of their race? African Americans, on the whole, are still at a serious disadvantage when it comes to educational opportunities, and they still have a much higher percentage of convicts then any other race in America and face stricter sentences. It also seriously blows the debate of reparations out of proportion; everybody knows it isn't going to happen.

youre ok when someone judges black people by the color of their skin if it's something positive, like to get a job. (affirmative action) but you have a problem if it's something negative.

as long as black people continue to encourage crime and discourage education in their culture, it doesnt matter what "whitey" gives them, they will always have a higher % of convicts.

most people discrimate based on culture, not on race. so keep playin the black victim card and see if it ever changes.

[andywend]

Originally Posted by supershark

That article is pretty inaccurate. In what sense are African Americans being "showered with special opportunities" because of their race? African Americans, on the whole, are still at a serious disadvantage when it comes to educational opportunities, and they still have a much higher percentage of convicts then any other race in America and face stricter sentences. It also seriously blows the debate of reparations out of proportion; everybody knows it isn't going to happen.

Supershark, please provide a link to any current law on the books that is designed to put blacks at a serious disadvantage when it comes to educational opportunities or anything else for that matter.

There are many laws in place that are of ADVANTAGE to blacks including affirmative action laws that give PREFERENCE when it comes to college admissions and various government jobs. However, I don't know of any laws in place that are of DISADVANTAGE to them.

Barack Obama becoming president of the United States should put a PERMANENT END to this ridiculous talk of blacks being "held back" in this country.

Blacks have a higher percentage of convicts than any other race in America because they commit the most crimes. Its a very simple concept to understand.

As far as the stricter sentencing, it has NOTHING to do with race and everything to do with poverty. Poor people get harsher sentences for the same crime committed by richer people strictly due to the quality of legal representation.

[Bradyd]

Originally Posted by Data

Perhaps, a little explanation is in order.

38.8% is not the percentage of whites on welfare, as this is the way you mistakenly interpreter the number, it is the percentage of whites among welfare recipients. Same goes for 37.2% being the percentage of blacks among welfare recipients.

Let's say you are right for argument sake, how are blacks twice more likely to collect welfare than whites if these numbers hold up? Once again, this is too funny!

[reno cool]

This would be true if there are 2x as many whites in the country as blacks. If there are half as many blacks in the country but yet the # on welfare is the same the probability any given black is on welfare is 2x that of whites.
However, this is a perfect argument for repairations not against them. Unless you're milfdriller and believe blacks are genetically inferior and deserve to suffer because of it.

[Bradyd]

Originally Posted by losturmarbles

youre ok when someone judges black people by the color of their skin if it's something positive, like to get a job. (affirmative action) but you have a problem if it's something negative.

as long as black people continue to encourage crime and discourage education in their culture, it doesnt matter what "whitey" gives them, they will always have a higher % of convicts.

most people discrimate based on culture, not on race. so keep playin the black victim card and see if it ever changes.

(Assuming you are white) I imagine the same holds true for you because it seems as if you are okay with having a system that rewards you for being white but yet when it's something negative like affirmative action you don't. Let's be honest, there would be no need for affirmative action for women & minorities if there wasn't an unfair advantage for the white male. I won't hold that against either you because it's human nature to be hypocritical.

I think you make a lot of reckless statements. How do black people encourage crime and discourage education? Apparently you have first hand experience on the matter, please explain in detail. I'm going out on a limb and will assume that you will stereotype, in which you will look like a fool.

Do most people discriminate based on culture? I don't know but to completely disregard race as a factor is ignorant. And I think EVERY race plays the victim. You would be surprised as to what group plays the "victim" card more than anyone else.

[losturmarbles]

brady are you black?

why are you trolling old threads? did whitey have you locked up the past couple of weeks? or did the cable company find out you were stealing internet from your neighbor? wait!!! there i go again making reckless statements.

ok i guess i'll bite. what system and how does it reward the white man? explain that and then we can get on to the next part.

[Bradyd]

Originally Posted by losturmarbles

brady are you black?

why are you trolling old threads? did whitey have you locked up the past couple of weeks? or did the cable company find out you were stealing internet from your neighbor? wait!!! there i go again making reckless statements.

ok i guess i'll bite. what system and how does it reward the white man? explain that and then we can get on to the next part.

Why are you trolling old threads? And I am white, so not only do you look like a fool, but you just proved everything I said to be right. I try not to talk people who are "lost". I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt but I see I will have to add you to the list of people to ignore. I will now go back to making money, or in my most recent case, fading myself to stop the bleeding. Good day sir!

Edit: I didn't even look at you last part before I typed this because you accused me of being black. You have yet to answer or rebuff any of my statements, not because they can't be debated, but because you lack the proper knowledge and understanding to do so. I see no reason to continue this discussion because of your last post entirely. Not to mention the fact that if you don't know the answer to your last question, than you must not even be in high school yet. I prefer to debate people who has a certain level of knowledge, you clearly don't have it. I won't be responding to you again.

[losturmarbles]

Originally Posted by Bradyd

Why are you trolling old threads? And I am white, so not only do you look like a fool, but you just proved everything I said to be right. I try not to talk people who are "lost". I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt but I see I will have to add you to the list of people to ignore. I will now go back to making money, or in my most recent case, fading myself to stop the bleeding. Good day sir!

Edit: I didn't even look at you last part before I typed this because you accused me of being black. You have yet to answer or rebuff any of my statements, not because they can't be debated, but because you lack the proper knowledge and understanding to do so. I see no reason to continue this discussion because of your last post entirely. Not to mention the fact that if you don't know the answer to your last question, than you must not even be in high school yet. I prefer to debate people who has a certain level of knowledge, you clearly don't have it. I won't be responding to you again.

like i thought, you have no answer. someone somewhere in your life told you the world was unfair for the black man. but when it comes down to it, not only can you not provide an example, but you make declarations that contradict your whole position. hey i bet you $20 that i dont gamble. go back to listening to the race pimps that coddle to your sensibilities, i'll still be waiting for you to grow up so maybe you can have a rational discussion for once.

[andywend]

Losturmarbles,

I suspect BradyD is a flaming white liberal democrat and people like him are far more dangerous than even Jesse Jackson. The majority of problems that exist in our country are due to people like him.

You asked him the straight forward question:

what system and how does it reward the white man? explain that and then we can get on to the next part.

Since he couldn't answer the question, he called you "lost" and is putting you on ignore.

This is what liberal democrats do when they are confronted with a question they don't want to answer. They either change the subject or call you mean-spirited.

[pico]

everyone likes handouts. wallstreet fatcats and d-town auto executives are beggars in fancy suites.

i am so sick of watching those tv infomercials about christian charity with poor third world children asking for handouts.

whenever there is a small group of people who really need help, bunch of opportunist scammers will find ways to use it to beg for money. for example, katrina and world trade center collapse...didn't we found out later that there are so many fraud claims along with legit claims.

kind of sad really, who can you trust anymore...

[losturmarbles]

pico there's nothing wrong with charity, and everything wrong with welfare. we live in a society that doesnt know the difference.