[ABEHONEST]

If you need someone taken out [not a real date, though], just go to the nearest dime store and buy one of these little killers and you can dispose of young women--if that's your choice at the time--like these three.




Ah, this was probably a random killing for all three. I am sure this doesn't happen routinely in America.

Here's the stories:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/26...ndoned-inside/
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/26...iends/?test=la

[itchypickle]

Guns are awesome. No doubt. But what do they have to do with the missing teacher story? Only said she was gone and here child was left unarmed....in their Suzuki which begs the question...who the fukkk drives a Suzuki?

[ABEHONEST]

Guns are awesome. No doubt. But what do they have to do with the missing teacher story? Only said she was gone and here child was left unarmed....in their Suzuki which begs the question...who the fukkk drives a Suzuki?

Gee Pickle, you must be on the sauce? A body found in Vermont? Maybe you're a physic and know something we mortals don't know. Also, what's the big joke?

[ABEHONEST]

Why not post the saddest gun story of the day, even though, guns are still glorified in this country?
Any volunteers besides me? Well, here's another one.

SEATTLE – A 3-year-old boy fatally shot himself with a gun he found in a car while his family stopped for gas early Wednesday at a gas station in the western U.S. state of Washington, police said.

It was the third recent shooting by a child in western Washington.

"It is incredible in light of the other ones," said Naveed Benjamin, a police officer in Tacoma, where the shooting occurred. "You would think people would take more care, not less."

The family had stopped for gas about 12:30 a.m. The father put his pistol under the seat and got out to pump gas while the mother went inside the convenience store, Benjamin said.

They left their son and their infant daughter in the car. The boy climbed out of his child seat, found the gun and shot himself in the head, police said. He was declared dead at a hospital. The girl was not injured.

Detectives questioned the parents and have called the shooting a tragic accident, Benjamin said.

The father has a concealed weapons permit, and no charges are anticipated, he said.

Washington state does not have a law specifically concerning child access to firearms.

The shooting follows the death of the 7-year-old daughter of a Marysville police officer in Stanwood on Saturday when a sibling found a gun and fired while the parents were out of their car. And on Feb. 22, an 8-year-old girl was critically wounded in a Bremerton classroom when a gun fired inside the backpack of a 9-year-old boy as he put it on a desk.

"It's another tragedy in a very short period of time," Benjamin said.

It highlights the need for people to secure guns, he said.

"You can't predict what children are going to do," he said. "You need to unload and lock it up if you're not carrying it. ... It's really not that hard to practice firearm safety."

Twenty-seven states have some form of law to prevent child access to firearms, but Washington is not one of them. Such laws can include criminal penalties for adults who allow children to get their hands on guns, according to the San Francisco-based group Legal Community Against Violence.

A spokesman for the Second Amendment Foundation said existing laws are enough to encourage gun safety, as long as the gun owners obey them.

"Responsible people will maintain gun safety whether there is a law or not; irresponsible people will ignore the law," said Dave Workman, senior editor of the group's publication, called thegunmag.com. He said existing statutes, including child endangerment laws, were designed to prevent such tragedies.

Workman said what he can't figure out is why the two men left their guns in their vehicles when they were licensed to carry them.

"Most responsible gun owners, especially if they're licensed to carry, will keep their firearm with them," Workman said.

News of the latest shooting caused Washington Cease Fire Executive Director Gregory Roberts to groan, "Oh no." The Seattle organization is currently running a campaign of ads on buses urging people to think twice about owning guns.

"We think guns are dangerous, but they are not treated as dangerous by our society or by laws or by our regulations," he said. "We regard guns as some sort of sacred object that should not be subject to regulation."

[d2bets]

Why not post the saddest gun story of the day, even though, guns are still glorified in this country?
Any volunteers besides me? Well, here's another one.

SEATTLE – A 3-year-old boy fatally shot himself with a gun he found in a car while his family stopped for gas early Wednesday at a gas station in the western U.S. state of Washington, police said.

It was the third recent shooting by a child in western Washington.

"It is incredible in light of the other ones," said Naveed Benjamin, a police officer in Tacoma, where the shooting occurred. "You would think people would take more care, not less."

The family had stopped for gas about 12:30 a.m. The father put his pistol under the seat and got out to pump gas while the mother went inside the convenience store, Benjamin said.

They left their son and their infant daughter in the car. The boy climbed out of his child seat, found the gun and shot himself in the head, police said. He was declared dead at a hospital. The girl was not injured.

Detectives questioned the parents and have called the shooting a tragic accident, Benjamin said.

The father has a concealed weapons permit, and no charges are anticipated, he said.

Washington state does not have a law specifically concerning child access to firearms.

The shooting follows the death of the 7-year-old daughter of a Marysville police officer in Stanwood on Saturday when a sibling found a gun and fired while the parents were out of their car. And on Feb. 22, an 8-year-old girl was critically wounded in a Bremerton classroom when a gun fired inside the backpack of a 9-year-old boy as he put it on a desk.

"It's another tragedy in a very short period of time," Benjamin said.

It highlights the need for people to secure guns, he said.

"You can't predict what children are going to do," he said. "You need to unload and lock it up if you're not carrying it. ... It's really not that hard to practice firearm safety."

Twenty-seven states have some form of law to prevent child access to firearms, but Washington is not one of them. Such laws can include criminal penalties for adults who allow children to get their hands on guns, according to the San Francisco-based group Legal Community Against Violence.

A spokesman for the Second Amendment Foundation said existing laws are enough to encourage gun safety, as long as the gun owners obey them.

"Responsible people will maintain gun safety whether there is a law or not; irresponsible people will ignore the law," said Dave Workman, senior editor of the group's publication, called thegunmag.com. He said existing statutes, including child endangerment laws, were designed to prevent such tragedies.

Workman said what he can't figure out is why the two men left their guns in their vehicles when they were licensed to carry them.

"Most responsible gun owners, especially if they're licensed to carry, will keep their firearm with them," Workman said.

News of the latest shooting caused Washington Cease Fire Executive Director Gregory Roberts to groan, "Oh no." The Seattle organization is currently running a campaign of ads on buses urging people to think twice about owning guns.

"We think guns are dangerous, but they are not treated as dangerous by our society or by laws or by our regulations," he said. "We regard guns as some sort of sacred object that should not be subject to regulation."

Personally I think the parents should be charged. I know it was accidental, but there should be some form of strict liability when you own a gun. You want to own and carry a gun around? If something goes wrong, you're held responsible, period. You can't take your responsibility lightly.

My opinion - you should be able to own a gun and keep it (safe) at home for home protection. Taking it out and carrying it around the community is another story. Of course you can transport for hunting and such. No problem there. But people who conceal carry everywhere they go acting like they are cops? No thank you.

[itchypickle]

Gee Pickle, you must be on the sauce? A body found in Vermont? Maybe you're a physic and know something we mortals don't know. Also, what's the big joke?

Just sayin' the Vermont teacher article mention nothing about a gun...a hundred ways it could have went down with her kidnapping. But you don't need a gun to do the same crimes people do without.

[ABEHONEST]

Just sayin' the Vermont teacher article mention nothing about a gun...a hundred ways it could have went down with her kidnapping. But you don't need a gun to do the same crimes people do without.

You're right, and I forgot to mention that. What are the odds, though? Much neater and quite easier to but that little bullet in the brain-pan, isn't it?
Probably a 3 to 1 favorite for that little killer.

[CrazyCarl]

Most people are good. Therefore, the more people who carry guns, the safer we can potentially be. This doesn't account for accidents, but I believe the violence that would be prevented would well offset that.

Just about every single major shooting tragedy in the U.S. has occurred in gun-free zones. If people were allowed to carry concealed firearms there, then someone would have pulled out their gun, shot the killer in the face, and we'd have a lot less dead people overall.

If 50% of women started carrying guns today, you'd see the rapes and muggings drop to nearly 0 within a few weeks. People don't like to hurt people who might kill them.

Yes, guns are good. At least, allowing people to defend from them, with them, is good. Would the world probably be better if we could wave a magic wand and get rid of all the guns? Yeah. Is there any way to do that? Nope. Making something illegal doesn't stop it. Look at weed, lol.

[mmaed]

You can make laws that govern guns a little more effectively. Would you agree on that? Or push it down to the states...other countries have done it. I believe england has no guns.

[rickbo528]

Damn straight guns are good. Hey Spike Lee, go ahead and tweet my address to all your THUG followers!!!!!!!! All stocked up and waiting!!!!

[itchypickle]

You can make laws that govern guns a little more effectively. Would you agree on that? Or push it down to the states...other countries have done it. I believe england has no guns.

What more do you want than the laws already in place??? Age restrictions, background checks and pay a fee for permits and as soon as you commit a violent act or seek therapy for most mental/emotional issues you lose the right to carry unless you appeal to have them reinstated.

The LAWS are there, its the actions of people that are the issue. Just recently purchased another and you cant help but notice the big signs and cardboard cutouts of people in cuffs with the caption about felony time in prison for buying under your name and handing it off to another etc.

[ABEHONEST]

What more do you want than the laws already in place??? Age restrictions, background checks and pay a fee for permits and as soon as you commit a violent act or seek therapy for most mental/emotional issues you lose the right to carry unless you appeal to have them reinstated.

The LAWS are there, its the actions of people that are the issue. Just recently purchased another and you cant help but notice the big signs and cardboard cutouts of people in cuffs with the caption about felony time in prison for buying under your name and handing it off to another etc.

Well Mr. Pickle, then it's time for the government to step in and ban guns entirely. After a few years of gun collecting, then, your odds would dramatically rise on not being a victim of armed robbery or killed by a gun. Simple fact of mathematics. Einstein would agree, too!
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[itchypickle]

Well Mr. Pickle, then it's time for the government to step in and ban guns entirely. After a few years of gun collecting, then, your odds would dramatically rise on not being a victim of armed robbery or killed by a gun. Simple fact of mathematics. Einstein would agree, too!
.

Absolutely not. Do you want to ban alcohol again?...huge killer and contributor to crime and socioeconomic factors...how about tobacco? huge killer there too....cars? people run over people on purpose as well as accidentals....lets get rid of them?

As a supposed Libertarian you certainly missed the mark on this one pal.

[CrazyCarl]

Well Mr. Pickle, then it's time for the government to step in and ban guns entirely. After a few years of gun collecting, then, your odds would dramatically rise on not being a victim of armed robbery or killed by a gun. Simple fact of mathematics. Einstein would agree, too!
.

You seemed to ignore my post.

Cool.

Anyhow, prohibition doesn't work. It didn't work for alcohol, it didn't work for abortion, and it's not working for drugs. There is a market for guns, and the black market will provide the guns if the legal market isn't. Just like the black market does for everything else that is prohibited.

[CrazyCarl]

Absolutely not. Do you want to ban alcohol again?...huge killer and contributor to crime and socioeconomic factors...how about tobacco? huge killer there too....cars? people run over people on purpose as well as accidentals....lets get rid of them?

As a supposed Libertarian you certainly missed the mark on this one pal.

LOL -- he calls himself a Libertarian? What a joke.

[ABEHONEST]

How about putting it this way:
I, as a citizen of this country, deserve to be free from gun assaults and even possible intimidation from guns. The black-market's behind!
Make these little killer's a 20 to 30 year sentence for anyone caught selling them and that will cut that gun pipeline into shreds[along with the drug selling]. Simply possessing a gun should be a minimum--with a new gun-law--of 5 years in the clinker. Now, "that's a gun law with teeth!"

I am not concerned about being killed with alcohol or tobacco. I'm concerned about our citizens being petrified to even walk the streets of our cities, safely, and having to be in fear of your life from those little killers. And, with the economy dropping like the proverbial rock, more of these killers [both the killers and his best friend] will be haunting our streets and our homes in larger numbers. Watch and see you poor mathematicians!

I know this scenario of commonsense doesn't penetrate the gun-lovers minds, but who cares that much about gun-lovers, anyway? I know the millions of victims that died, have no choice, whether, to hate, forgive, or even care, about their killers.

[CrazyCarl]

You talk about "common sense", and use almost exclusively emotional arguments.

You don't seem to understand the black market. Our government has been fighting the war on drugs (and losing) for many decades. It's not because they only put the guys in jail for a half a year like you seem to think. It's because the mexican drug cartels are very good at doing what they do, and there's a profit to be made doing it. If you arrest the guy doing it, then a new guy will see an opportunity for the profit, and he will do it.

History has consistently shown that prohibition doesn't work, and it wouldn't work here either.

Not only that, but again, I bet if 50% of women carried guns on them, you wouldn't see muggings and rapes very often anymore.

And you shouldn't be trying to smear me by calling me a gun-lover. I don't hunt, have never hunted, and the only gun I own is a Red Ryder beebee gun. The fact is, I'm against gun control because it's the only logical position to take.

[rkelly110]

It's a mixed bag. On one hand, if you give everyone a gun, would everyone be shooting
each other over trivial shit? On the other, if you take them away, only thugs would have
them and crime would be worse?

The old adage, live buy the sword (guns), die buy the sword. The choice is yours.
I'm just glad we have a choice.

[ABEHONEST]

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You talk about "common sense", and use almost exclusively emotional arguments.

You don't seem to understand the black market. Our government has been fighting the war on drugs (and losing) for many decades. It's not because they only put the guys in jail for a half a year like you seem to think. It's because the mexican drug cartels are very good at doing what they do, and there's a profit to be made doing it. If you arrest the guy doing it, then a new guy will see an opportunity for the profit, and he will do it.

History has consistently shown that prohibition doesn't work, and it wouldn't work here either.

Not only that, but again, I bet if 50% of women carried guns on them, you wouldn't see muggings and rapes very often anymore.

And you shouldn't be trying to smear me by calling me a gun-lover. I don't hunt, have never hunted, and the only gun I own is a Red Ryder beebee gun. The fact is, I'm against gun control because it's the only logical position to take.

Find where I called you a gun-lover? If you don't pack a gun, then, most likely that name doesn't apply. Your logic stinks. You want more guns in our homes so we can have more children shooting themselves?
My logic wins until someone smarter than me can give a more proper fitting for guns, guns everywhere.

Alcohol and cigarettes do not kill me, but that little killer certainly will. Thanks for that proposal for having our housewives pack some heat. That might be the worst idea I've seen on possible better gun-control, yet?

[CrazyCarl]

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Find where I called you a gun-lover? If you don't pack a gun, then, most likely that name doesn't apply. Your logic stinks. You want more guns in our homes so we can have more children shooting themselves?
My logic wins until someone smarter than me can give a more proper fitting for guns, guns everywhere.

Alcohol and cigarettes do not kill me, but that little killer certainly will. Thanks for that proposal for having our housewives pack some heat. That might be the worst idea I've seen on possible better gun-control, yet?

So, if you were a criminal who liked to go after women, you would continue doing it if you knew that there was a 50% chance that she was carrying a gun?

You're completely missing the point on prohibition. I don't care whether or not you want marijuana to be illegal or not. The point I'm making is that the prohibition HAS NOT and will NEVER stop people from getting the goods they want. And at that point, it will be only the criminals who are getting them, not the majority of people who like to defend themselves and are responsible with their guns.

Yes, there are some accidents with guns. There are even more people who drown in 5-gallon buckets. Should we outlaw those, too? Outlawing something for EVERYBODY because a FEW people aren't responsible isn't fair.

[ABEHONEST]

So, if you were a criminal who liked to go after women, you would continue doing it if you knew that there was a 50% chance that she was carrying a gun?

You're completely missing the point on prohibition. I don't care whether or not you want marijuana to be illegal or not. The point I'm making is that the prohibition HAS NOT and will NEVER stop people from getting the goods they want. And at that point, it will be only the criminals who are getting them, not the majority of people who like to defend themselves and are responsible with their guns.

Yes, there are some accidents with guns. There are even more people who drown in 5-gallon buckets. Should we outlaw those, too? Outlawing something for EVERYBODY because a FEW people aren't responsible isn't fair.

You got that one right, Carl! That's exactly what I want. Only guns in the hands of our protectors, the Law or Soldier, and let them do battle these crazed, gun-carrying criminals, who think they survive with these tough gun-laws I propose. Their numbers would dwindle, slowly but surely. Until the day, we have a few only left in each city. Then, you and I can safely walk the streets again. And, the last few criminal gun-totters will fade into oblivion, sooner or later, because of citizens like you and I who want it that way.

Isn't that what we really want Carl?

[itchypickle]

Abe - you focus only on city crime in Metro areas but what about the vast majority of the country not in an urban setting....wehre most guns actually are for hunting and home protection and sport.

Do you want to ban hunting too? Because without a weapon, wildlife is pretty hard to keep in check.

[ABEHONEST]

Abe - you focus only on city crime in Metro areas but what about the vast majority of the country not in an urban setting....wehre most guns actually are for hunting and home protection and sport.

Do you want to ban hunting too? Because without a weapon, wildlife is pretty hard to keep in check.

Save humans first and worry about hunters and animals down the road. I am sure someone is smart enough to find an answer.
My 2 cents: Have these rifles for rent and I am sure their would be safety mechanisms , keeping these types of weapons in check.

[ABEHONEST]

If these black youths are not provided access to guns, watch them stay in school more often. Or, get a job!

[itchypickle]

Abe - these 'black youths' you mention having access to are only gaining the access from either home invasion and taking them and then using or selling them on the streets.

You mention 'save humans first' but guessing you do not realize that to limit hunting of wildlife will hurt us worse than gun deaths - health of the wildlife population declines if not maintained by hunting (don't try and say let the govt worry about harvesting the animals because then you have to spend more tax dollars on hiring people to do this...when as it is now people PAY for permits and licenses meaning win win - states govt gets revenue and hunters get to do what they enjoy and pay for it.) If you drop hunting it means damage to the lands hunted once the balance is off....where do you think 78% of our food comes from just HERE in the U.S. much less global exports of crops for food.....someone sitting in Manhattan or D.C. forgets that while they sit and enjoy a meal and a beer and talk down to 'flyover states' that the very food they are eating is grown in those areas...and the contents of their beer or Vodka also.

Think big picture pal...not just knee jerk reactions and a call for more govt control and taking away of rights.

[ABEHONEST]

Guys packing guns for these thrills will hopefully be banned for life of possessing a gun. That would be a good start.
Typical hunter, in my opinion. They feel no pain for animals.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/30...n-thrill-kill/


And, the USA Government also has the great responsibility to "protect" it citizens. You forget that, Pickle?

[CrazyCarl]

You got that one right, Carl! That's exactly what I want. Only guns in the hands of our protectors, the Law or Soldier, and let them do battle these crazed, gun-carrying criminals, who think they survive with these tough gun-laws I propose. Their numbers would dwindle, slowly but surely. Until the day, we have a few only left in each city. Then, you and I can safely walk the streets again. And, the last few criminal gun-totters will fade into oblivion, sooner or later, because of citizens like you and I who want it that way.

Isn't that what we really want Carl?

No, absolutely not. Having weapons only in the hands the government is an extremely scary thing to me.

[ABEHONEST]

No, absolutely not. Having weapons only in the hands the government is an extremely scary thing to me.

So, you feel less scared when the thugs are loaded with guns?

[itchypickle]

Guys packing guns for these thrills will hopefully be banned for life of possessing a gun. That would be a good start.
Typical hunter, in my opinion. They feel no pain for animals.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/30...n-thrill-kill/



And, the USA Government also has the great responsibility to "protect" it citizens. You forget that, Pickle?

Yeah I know full well the right to protect the citizenry (put my time in on that side) but also the right of the people to protect themselves from tyranny.....look at history...first they take the guns, then they take the rest. An unarmed people is a weakened people.

Thrill hunters yes are disgusting...but they are few. Can't remember where you reside but if you actually know hunters and true outdoorsmen...they are the biggest conservationists around as well as the care for wildlife....spend weeks in the offseason planting various food sources and other habitat accessories in order to do a three fold process...restore and rehab the land...provide good hunting area for prime harvesting of animals..and maintaining a healthy population.

I've always laughed at the 'greenies' who brag "we planted a tree for the earth" and then celebrate yet the rest of us plant entire fields of resources yearly and dont hold celebratory meetings for it.

[ABEHONEST]

Not buying your politics Pickleman. We the people, elect our leaders. No one has even attempted to overthrow our central government, have they, in 225 years? No, we need protection from each other a million times more than the worry of our War Departments turning on it's citizens. Maybe you were joking? Are, just looking for further excuses to pack that little killer around?

[itchypickle]

Not buying your politics Pickleman. We the people, elect our leaders. No one has even attempted to overthrow our central government, have they, in 225 years? No, we need protection from each other a million times more than the worry of our War Departments turning on it's citizens. Maybe you were joking? Are, just looking for further excuses to pack that little killer around?

For the record, Pickle packs big and small depending on the occasion

I don't need any other excuse than right given to me under the founding of the nation I live in.

But just to ease your panic about guns guns guns....look into the hard numbers released each year...2011 are still being crunched but those from 2007 through 2010 are a good indicator...car accidents and medical mistakes each are over 400% more per year than gun deaths...this even when 47% of 'gun deaths' are suicides...so take that number away from the report and the gun issue decreases even more exponentially. So you're 4x as many people are killed in their vehicles or at a hospital than from guns.....guess we need to close all hospitals immediately and go back to horse transportation....right?

[CrazyCarl]

So, you feel less scared when the thugs are loaded with guns?

Let me put it this way:

I have never been shot, and don't expect to be. I have been oppressed by the government many times.

Even with the small chance of it happening, I hope to have the right to defend my home. And, I hope that if I'm out on the streets somewhere being mugged, whether it's with a knife, a gun, or a taser, or whatever, that some guy with a concealed carry permit is nearby.

[ABEHONEST]

Let me put it this way:

I have never been shot, and don't expect to be. I have been oppressed by the government many times.

Even with the small chance of it happening, I hope to have the right to defend my home. And, I hope that if I'm out on the streets somewhere being mugged, whether it's with a knife, a gun, or a taser, or whatever, that some guy with a concealed carry permit is nearby.

This could go on forever, and I don't see either side changing any minds. Hypothetically, I have the perfect dream. No guns available for everyday citizens. I mean NONE! The opposite opinions seem satisfied with having their security tightened by having the right to carry that pistol?
Now, who has the better dream? And, do it my way and you don't run into these types of gun-totters.

"MAKE MY DAY!"

[itchypickle]

This could go on forever, and I don't see either side changing any minds. Hypothetically, I have the perfect dream. No guns available for everyday citizens. I mean NONE! The opposite opinions seem satisfied with having their security tightened by having the right to carry that pistol?
Now, who has the better dream? And, do it my way and you don't run into these types of gun-totters.

"MAKE MY DAY!"

Rest assured if myself or another had been there and this assshole started firing rounds at the Congresswoman and also the others he gunned down in the following minutes.....he would have been dropped on site and innocent lived saved.....due to the proper use of concealed carry. The man who actually tackled and restrained him is an old military vet...risked his life without a weapon to go and grapple with the shooter because that is what some of us do....he said subsequently he wished he could have acted sooner if he had his weapon in order to save the other victims but he did all he could.

[CrazyCarl]

And I'm saying that your "solution" is impossible.

Which is true.