[ABEHONEST]

Not possible, because of the same type of minds that state Ron Paul is unelectable. His election was destroyed by the media hype from the very first day. Same with the idea of extreme gun-control.

[CrazyCarl]

Not possible, because of the same type of minds that state Ron Paul is unelectable. His election was destroyed by the media hype from the very first day. Same with the idea of extreme gun-control.

The public has been against gun control throughout US history, and despite liberal media pushing the other way, has remained that way. The democratic politicians stopped fighting for it because they realized it's a political loser, which is funny, but also good in this case that they don't stick to their principles, because gun control is bad.

It's also impossible because the black market is going to provide guns no matter how much you try to stop it. Just like weed. Just like internet piracy. You can't stop it.

[Facepunch]

If there were an all out ban on guns what would be the toll on life during the confiscation?

USA today had a cover story yesterday about the sovereign movement. The Southern Poverty Law center puts the number of those that prescribe to the ideologies of the Sovereign movement at 100,000 and their sympathizers at 200,000. Probably about 20-80 million in the greater "Patriot Movements" then the lukewarm Constitution allies are probably at about 100 million, count these as your run of the mill Conservative/ Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh listeners .

How many would go to arms to protect the constitution?

I know that there are 30 million Veterans out there of all ages and skill sets that have taken an oath to the constitution.

I know that there are police and federal agents that would not follow unconstitutional orders.

The point is do you think it is over 5% of the population. Because that is all it took to win the American Revolution.

Our entire military was unable to get a couple thousand goat herders in the desert. How do you think they will fare in an all out insurgency within the continental United States.

Just some food for thought.

[Facepunch]

You want to see the true devastation of firearms.
Try taking them away.

[CrazyCarl]

If there were an all out ban on guns what would be the toll on life during the confiscation?

USA today had a cover story yesterday about the sovereign movement. The Southern Poverty Law center puts the number of those that prescribe to the ideologies of the Sovereign movement at 100,000 and their sympathizers at 200,000. Probably about 20-80 million in the greater "Patriot Movements" then the lukewarm Constitution allies are probably at about 100 million, count these as your run of the mill Conservative/ Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh listeners .

How many would go to arms to protect the constitution?

I know that there are 30 million Veterans out there of all ages and skill sets that have taken an oath to the constitution.

I know that there are police and federal agents that would not follow unconstitutional orders.

The point is do you think it is over 5% of the population. Because that is all it took to win the American Revolution.

Our entire military was unable to get a couple thousand goat herders in the desert. How do you think they will fare in an all out insurgency within the continental United States.

Just some food for thought.

[itchypickle]

If there were an all out ban on guns what would be the toll on life during the confiscation?

USA today had a cover story yesterday about the sovereign movement. The Southern Poverty Law center puts the number of those that prescribe to the ideologies of the Sovereign movement at 100,000 and their sympathizers at 200,000. Probably about 20-80 million in the greater "Patriot Movements" then the lukewarm Constitution allies are probably at about 100 million, count these as your run of the mill Conservative/ Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh listeners .

How many would go to arms to protect the constitution?

I know that there are 30 million Veterans out there of all ages and skill sets that have taken an oath to the constitution.

I know that there are police and federal agents that would not follow unconstitutional orders.

The point is do you think it is over 5% of the population. Because that is all it took to win the American Revolution.

Our entire military was unable to get a couple thousand goat herders in the desert. How do you think they will fare in an all out insurgency within the continental United States.

Just some food for thought.

Forget the redneck militias and military washouts....they would be crazy enough...but mix in some who already know the cordon & search or blocking force layout or SUTs that would be used by the govt to try and confiscate.....don't think it would go over very well

[ABEHONEST]

You want to see the true devastation of firearms.
Try taking them away.

Okay, so we keep the guns without question!
But, guess who's the leader of gun-deaths in the World? That's right! The grand ol USA.
Read 'em and weep, like the victim's relatives.

http://thesocietypages.org/graphicso...easured-daily/

I dig China's law on selling guns!

"When we look at the number of murders in the United States (in) 2009, we had **9,500 people murdered. When we look around the world, we see … large countries, the U.K., Germany, Japan, had **200 or less killed in a year."

Sen. Frank Lautenberg, Jan. 11, on MSNBC
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/edit.../14/2003493438

Try your luck again gun-lovers?

[Facepunch]

If you don't like this country's constitution, or the founding documents, maybe you should find another country that does not afford their citizens such liberties.

[ABEHONEST]

If you don't like this country's constitution, or the founding documents, maybe you should find another country that does not afford their citizens such liberties.

Or, bring into the light these questions about too many guns, when your "born-in" country is falling into the sewers? Not only are guns a huge problem in "our' country; that's only one Mr. Facepunch. Maybe, you do not live in reality and do not question the flaws of your country?

[Facepunch]

I have more important things to care about than taking away the liberties of my countrymen.
I would rather focus on the corruption, and excesses of the Executive branch. The illegal use of force in countries we are not at war with. The clear tie between monetary contributions and who's interests get served. The revolving door of our government's highest regulatory positions. The fact that Goldman and JP Morgan seem to own the white-house. NDAA, the Patriot Act and general Loss of civil liberties now perpetuated officially by BOTH parties and the past 5 + presidents.

I live in reality, and I live in this country ( I am taking it you do not?). There are more pressing issues than taking away people's rights, and I do not trust any man with the intention of depriving anyone of their rights.

I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
-Thomas Jefferson.

[itchypickle]

I have more important things to care about than taking away the liberties of my countrymen.
I would rather focus on the corruption, and excesses of the Executive branch. The illegal use of force in countries we are not at war with. The clear tie between monetary contributions and who's interests get served. The revolving door of our government's highest regulatory positions. The fact that Goldman and JP Morgan seem to own the white-house. NDAA, the Patriot Act and general Loss of civil liberties now perpetuated officially by BOTH parties and the past 5 + presidents.

I live in reality, and I live in this country ( I am taking it you do not?). There are more pressing issues than taking away people's rights, and I do not trust any man with the intention of depriving anyone of their rights.

I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
-Thomas Jefferson.

You need to read Dylan Ratigan's book Greedy Bastards

[ABEHONEST]

I have more important things to care about than taking away the liberties of my countrymen.
I would rather focus on the corruption, and excesses of the Executive branch. The illegal use of force in countries we are not at war with. The clear tie between monetary contributions and who's interests get served. The revolving door of our government's highest regulatory positions. The fact that Goldman and JP Morgan seem to own the white-house. NDAA, the Patriot Act and general Loss of civil liberties now perpetuated officially by BOTH parties and the past 5 + presidents.

I live in reality, and I live in this country ( I am taking it you do not?). There are more pressing issues than taking away people's rights, and I do not trust any man with the intention of depriving anyone of their rights.

I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
-Thomas Jefferson.

So, how about your right to smoke that once so popular cigarette? So, are you concerned about that killer and not concerned about losing 10,000 or so of your fellow citizens because of firearms? This isn't the year 1790, either; remember?

[ABEHONEST]

Looks like we have another "Make my day," fellow! Oh, it's probably just another rambling gun owner who had some payback to unleash.
What now, gun-lovers?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/02...edical-school/

[Facepunch]

So, how about your right to smoke that once so popular cigarette? So, are you concerned about that killer and not concerned about losing 10,000 or so of your fellow citizens because of firearms? This isn't the year 1790, either; remember?

I am not concerned in the least bit with cigarettes. Why would I give a shit about people smoking cigarettes? I think that the govt. should not be able to make mandates that it is illegal to smoke in bars, or resturants, and it should be left up to the individual business owner, but aside from that I don't really get the argument?

[Facepunch]

Looks like we have another "Make my day," fellow! Oh, it's probably just another rambling gun owner who had some payback to unleash.
What now, gun-lovers?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/02...edical-school/

Wow, this article has made me rethink my entire stance on guns.

I think we should tear the constitution in half, and capitulate to whatever will keep us safest.

An outright ban on guns will work.

Once criminals and crazy people turn in their arms we will be free from violence forever.

Huzzah.







Get real man.

[ABEHONEST]

Get real yourself, Facepunch. You can rationalize this bs, again? You need to quit living with 200 year old rules.

[Facepunch]

What part of the 200 year old rules allowed killing people?
I'm not rationalizing the act.

[ABEHONEST]

What part of the 200 year old rules allowed killing people?
I'm not rationalizing the act.

You obviously omit one important factor. We didn't have random killings of our colonial citizens, by colonial citizens, as we have today[ or a pistol in every pot]. The Indians were all corralled by 1870, if not sooner. How many more slaughters does it take for guys like you to admit there has to be some provocative changes made in our country, concerning guns, in our everyday citizen's hands?

[Facepunch]

You're right they burned them at the stake for being witches.

Whatever, I will leave you to your dreams. It could never and would never happen. It is kind of funny because it is guys like you that make guys like me fight reasonable gun laws. Prohibitionists are the reason for the high powered lobby and the promotion of zero gun laws.

[ABEHONEST]

You're right they burned them at the stake for being witches.

Whatever, I will leave you to your dreams. It could never and would never happen. It is kind of funny because it is guys like you that make guys like me fight reasonable gun laws. Prohibitionists are the reason for the high powered lobby and the promotion of zero gun laws.

Okay, so we're at a stalemate. However, I find your attitude towards me bizarre. I influence you more for advocating for gun rights than these everyday massacres of American citizens; like the one we just witnessed?
I wonder if it was because the shooter was of Korean blood and so were some of his victims, that you seem to have no remorse for another gun-massacre and insist on further non-gun control?

[Facepunch]

Why would that have anything to do with it.

Do you know what race I am ?

[Facepunch]

And the only reason I will not budge on gun control is because there are people like you out there that want a 100% prohibition. I would be all for some common sense reforms + laws if I didn't think that giving into them would eventually result in the total ban of personally owned weapons. This is actually a wide-held belief.

[ABEHONEST]

Okay, that is a little better. But, does it not bother your conscience when you see these gun-killings throughout this country so consistent? The commonsense factor tells me that there is no safe place for handguns in any citizens hands. Well, unless it's part of the responsibility concerning his line of work. Not like Zimmerman's line of work, though!

So, when the next massacre occurs, how will you suggest a gun-control that would, either, eliminate this disaster happening by 10 fold, or eliminate it 95%?

[Facepunch]

It does not bother me at all.

Do you drive?
Do you drink alcohol?

Do you feel guilt when a drunk driver kills someone.

I sure don't I feel sadness for the victims and rage towards the drunk driver, but I do not feel like we should have a 100% ban on alcohol or Driving.

[rkelly110]

Excuse my interjection, but the majority of gun owners are responsible. You will always
have bad apples who will spoil the whole bushel.

Movies don't help with the glorification of guns. Watching those shows on Discovery
like top gun are what we should be doing with guns. Target shooting and hunting.

Our right to bear arms was put in the constitution to protect ourselves from our
own govt. Now it's to protect ourselves, loved ones and our castles, from two
legged animals.

Really no different than the homestead in the old west. Isn't it amazing how
history repeats itself?

[hockey216]

you know in sweeden (or switzerland) everyone has a gun. every household is required by law to have a rifle. they all have rifles and handguns. And guess what? it has one of the lowest shooting rates in the world.

[ABEHONEST]

you know in sweeden (or switzerland) everyone has a gun. every household is required by law to have a rifle. they all have rifles and handguns. And guess what? it has one of the lowest shooting rates in the world.

So? Doesn't that ring a loud gong directly into your brain, telling you that this country isn't Sweden?
You people fail to consider the country's that have strong gun-laws that I posted about 12 posts ago. Go back and study those stats again.

[ABEHONEST]

I want some honest gun-totters and gun-lovers to explain this! You see, I know you're holding a losing hand and I am calling your bluff with hard-boiled facts. Read 'em and come straight, or forever shut your debating completely down for pro-guns in America. A bonus thrown in, too. Check the ILLEGAL DRUG STANDARDS, also.

Here is the news and facts your country doesn't want you to know!
CHINA'S gun-control evidence:
POPULATION:
CHINA, 1 Billion and 337 Million............. USA, 312 Million

Does China have as high gun crime, murders and violent assaults as some people say?
GUNS:
There is absolutely no private ownership of guns in China. China's strict gun controls stand in stark contrast to America, where anyone with $200 and a driver's license can buy a gun at Kmart. Gun crimes are extremely rare in China with fewer than*** 100 reported annually. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ5xmIwvXMA

DRUGS:
Illegal drugs are quite rare in China thanks to China's "no nonsense" anti-drug policy. Anyone caught dealing illegal drugs is executed. The absence of illegal drugs makes China an inherently safer environment. There are no crack addicts or meth freaks robbing people for money to buy their next dose of drugs. Note that police in America and Europe say most violent crime is committed by drug addicts seeking money to buy more drugs.

The crime rate in much of east Asia (China, Japan, South Korea, Singapore) is 80% to 90% lower than in the United States. Crime does not present the constant danger in these countries that it does in many western nations. "No nonsense" policies, like Singapore's mandatory application of the death penalty against all drug dealers, makes Asia a great place to live and raise a family.

Now, call your congressman and ask him why we cannot initiate powerful gun and drug laws like China.

[rkelly110]

Well, if you don't mind living on top of each other as most Asian countries do, move there.

If you don't want to move, ask Facepunch what kind of little killer you should get.
In other words, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

If the shit that's going on in the town next to me comes in my hood, I will be packin'.
I'll be damn if myself or my family gets killed by some little fcking punk that needs
a crack fix. I'll fcking shoot 1st and ask questions later, and will go after the little bastards
whole family.

[ABEHONEST]

Well, if you don't mind living on top of each other as most Asian countries do, move there.

If you don't want to move, ask Facepunch what kind of little killer you should get.
In other words, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

If the shit that's going on in the town next to me comes in my hood, I will be packin'.
I'll be damn if myself or my family gets killed by some little fcking punk that needs
a crack fix. I'll fcking shoot 1st and ask questions later, and will go after the little bastards
whole family.

What an attitude. Typical male attitude in this country, though. Why not do what I suggested and call your congressman?
Maybe, you've seen too many gangster movies?
Kelly, population has nothing to do with living in a cleaner society. I guess this does close out anymore debating on what good strict gun-control does for a country.

Are all Americans stupid? We have a right to live our daily lives without fear of those two horrors. DRUGS and GUNS!

[rkelly110]

Sorry, was winding myself up. Full moon.

I won't call my congressman, because I'm not for gun control. I want to protect myself
from two legged animals that have no remorse, morals or care if you live or die at their
hands.

Our govt and local authorities can't control drugs. Guns come with the territory of dealing drugs and wanting to buy drugs. Crime is out of control because of drugs. Get rid of drugs, crime and guns will disappear.

If I was a corner store owner or gas station, I would have a double barreled shotgun mounted under the counter. If someone wanted to rob me, I would blow them in half. If every store owner or bank had a setup like that, guess what would happen to those crimes.

It's better to blow them in half, than to catch them, put them in jail, get out and
do it all over again, most of the time worse than their 1st offence.

Wake up and smell the coffee, Abe.

I don't have a little killer, but I just talked myself into going and looking at one.

[itchypickle]

http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/03/fe...rms-they-keep/

[CrazyCarl]

I want some honest gun-totters and gun-lovers to explain this! You see, I know you're holding a losing hand and I am calling your bluff with hard-boiled facts. Read 'em and come straight, or forever shut your debating completely down for pro-guns in America. A bonus thrown in, too. Check the ILLEGAL DRUG STANDARDS, also.

Here is the news and facts your country doesn't want you to know!
CHINA'S gun-control evidence:
POPULATION:
CHINA, 1 Billion and 337 Million............. USA, 312 Million

Does China have as high gun crime, murders and violent assaults as some people say?
GUNS:
There is absolutely no private ownership of guns in China. China's strict gun controls stand in stark contrast to America, where anyone with $200 and a driver's license can buy a gun at Kmart. Gun crimes are extremely rare in China with fewer than*** 100 reported annually. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ5xmIwvXMA

DRUGS:
Illegal drugs are quite rare in China thanks to China's "no nonsense" anti-drug policy. Anyone caught dealing illegal drugs is executed. The absence of illegal drugs makes China an inherently safer environment. There are no crack addicts or meth freaks robbing people for money to buy their next dose of drugs. Note that police in America and Europe say most violent crime is committed by drug addicts seeking money to buy more drugs.

The crime rate in much of east Asia (China, Japan, South Korea, Singapore) is 80% to 90% lower than in the United States. Crime does not present the constant danger in these countries that it does in many western nations. "No nonsense" policies, like Singapore's mandatory application of the death penalty against all drug dealers, makes Asia a great place to live and raise a family.

Now, call your congressman and ask him why we cannot initiate powerful gun and drug laws like China.

You want your government to execute people who don't follow the health rules that the government forces on them?

The scenario you just explained is far scarier to me than the one the USA is in now. I'll take the very minimal risk of getting shot, please.

[itchypickle]

Abe - twice as many people died from Diabetes the past 2 years than did from guns (more of a multiple if you take suicide by gun out of the mix) so are you for banning sugary foods and fruits from grocery stores too? Don't we all 'have the right' to shop and have ONLY sugarless foods on the shelves..those 'little killers' ?

Your focus is so far off the mark that its almost comical pal

[ABEHONEST]

Keep up your illogical bs and I'll keep pumping you full reality of American daily logic. The real world we live in, in America.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/07...homa-3-killed/