[itchypickle]

Let me start by saying an unemployment rate of 8.3% is horrendous no matter what...setting aside 'real unemployment' rates. But....

Every night we have tuned into the news and seen the pundits crying and speeches by Obama saying "I cannot get ANYTHING I want through Congress...NONE of MY policies are being passed....The Repubs are leading the House so WHERE ARE THE JOBS Boehner?.....and the 'Jobs plan' was shelved and not put into place....doomsday is coming because Obama cannot get HIS policy implemented.

Fast forward to today and the jobs report is better than expected...and we have wall to wall masturbatory sessions by the media touting "Obama has helped jobs...his policy has worked...we are save because Obama has done this single handedly...we are on the right track now due to Obama policy"


What am I missing here? Even Chris Matthews said "If this number holds it's good for Obama but if if goes south over the summer, as the CBO is saying it will and head back toward 9%...he's got to find someone to blame or else face a difficult reelection"

[guitarjosh]

You're not missing anything, it's a double standard. Obama didn't expect this, 6 months ago the left was screaming out for more stimulas, they didn't get it, and the economy is doing a lot better. It proves that the left doesn't get economics.

[jw]

What am I missing here?

What you are missing .. is that we would have been here much quicker if it were not for the obstructionist Republicans trying to do everything in their power to block anything that might give Obama a shot at re-election .. and despite this .. the numbers are still getting better.

[guitarjosh]

What you are missing .. is that we would have been here much quicker if it were not for the obstructionist Republicans trying to do everything in their power to block anything that might give Obama a shot at re-election .. and despite this .. the numbers are still getting better.

Please. The GOP has only had the House for a little over a year. What got us here was blocking Obama's economic policies.

[jw]

Please. The GOP has only had the House for a little over a year. What got us here was blocking Obama's economic policies.

Opinions are like assholes ...

Fact is the Republicans are going to have to rethink their entire election campaign ... I called this lower unemployment, decent customer confidence and lower gas prices more than 12 months ago right here in the forum. It'll all happen when it needs to ... not a thing the Republicans can do about it .. no matter how much crap they try and spew.

edit to add : Feel free to share with us any jobs bills that the Republicans have brought to the table and pushed through the senate since they took control of the house .. anything at all ... i'll wait right here ...

[guitarjosh]

Opinions are like assholes ...

Fact is the Republicans are going to have to rethink their entire election campaign ... I called this lower unemployment, decent customer confidence and lower gas prices more than 12 months ago right here in the forum. It'll all happen when it needs to ... not a thing the Republicans can do about it .. no matter how much crap they try and spew.

edit to add : Feel free to share with us any jobs bills that the Republicans have brought to the table and pushed through the senate since they took control of the house .. anything at all ... i'll wait right here ...

They can't push anything through the Senate since they don't control it, which I'm sure you know. But the best jobs bill is no jobs bill. I also called this about 12 months ago when the GOP took over the House. Nothing would get passed, and the economy could heal itself. Kind of funny that PBO and the rest of the democrats didn't call this at all, 6 months ago they wanted more stimulas or we would go back into a recession.

[itchypickle]

JW - gas prices are going UP and should continue to (although valuation wise prices at the pump should be lower if you base it off of demand vs price of barrel etc) in other words it's a rigged game as we all know.

Regarding the jobs bills....the fact that GOVT has introduced nothing helps...Rep or Dem....stay out of the way. The exact reason we can thank Bill Gates and the tech sector for the 90's growth and innovation more than Clinton....while I voted for Bill I cannot give him credit for a single piece of legislation that currently employs Microsoft....Google...Amazon....or any of the other online retailers or services. See the reasoning?

As I stated initially....8.3% is ridiculous by any standard...but unfortunately it's going to become the new norm the same as $3.00 gas....it's going to inflate enough to where people forget the real level it should be and just accept it. I again am an admitted geek and browse the entire jobs reports for the most part and put it all into context....slowest recovery of any recession...adult labor force reduced this month....still far behind the curve needed each month to drop the rate anytime soon etc. The point of the thread is not to beat the chest of either side...it's to point out the hypocrisy of how the media is in the pocket for Obama again.....you can't pick and choose which month you want and dont want dependent on outcome and you most certainly cant make it a point to 'get out ahead of the report' by claiming that its going to be negative BECAUSE you haven't had your way...but then when it's actually positive wake up and say you've had everything your way and this is why it is what it is. We should be worried that for all the $$$ thrown at the problem in the last 2 years it's barely hanging on regardless then add in 1% revised growth in overall economy as opposed to the needed 3.6% or higher to get on competitive grounds......not looking good for Obama at all. He's tied at 48% head to head with Romney now on a positive news cycle....imagine the trend when it turns south again as expected.

Romney wins in November! Don't let the door hit ya in the ass Barack and Michelle

[falconticket]

No jobs bill = good. Get out of the way of progress.

[jw]

Romney wins in November!

Yeah .. good luck with that ... once the Obama machine starts spending its money .. it's game over ...
Romney is so easy to pull apart its laughable.

The good thing (for my bet) .. is that your opinion or mine is not important .. we are the very, small minority that actually read and understand a little of what is actually going on ... the vast majority of the public will vote based on the amount of dollars that is thrown into ads in the run-up to the election .. and Obama's going to have plenty of money to throw ;0)

[itchypickle]

Yeah .. good luck with that ... once the Obama machine starts spending its money .. it's game over ...
Romney is so easy to pull apart its laughable.

The good thing (for my bet) .. is that your opinion or mine is not important .. we are the very, small minority that actually read and understand a little of what is actually going on ... the vast majority of the public will vote based on the amount of dollars that is thrown into ads in the run-up to the election .. and Obama's going to have plenty of money to throw ;0)

What is new that could come out to pull apart that hasnt already? And you just said it well..Obama cannot run on what he has done even though he promised SO much....he's only got a chance if he can say "well yeah I kinda lied and pretty much suck...but THIS guy??...."

Independents are rolling away from Obama....the ones who gave him a shot feel cheated..and the new voters aren't enthusiastic and passing out at the mention of his name like they did in 08......he is one and done

[jw]

What is new that could come out to pull apart that hasnt already?

There is plenty of existing dirt than can be rehashed and put out there .... only this time it will be done with Obama Money .. not Newt Money or Paul money .... Newt and Paul are spending peanuts compared to the amount of money Obama can throw at it ...

Pro-Abortion, Pro-healthcare, Pro-gun control ... you can spin Romney any way you want as he has at some point over the past few years held every single position there is to hold .. on every single issue .. its an easy shot.

And you just said it well..Obama cannot run on what he has done

Sure he can .. he has taken the Republicans recession and has created jobs month on month, he has reduced unemployment, he has killed Bin laden, he has gotten rid of Ghadaffi, there is plenty that Obama can run on right now .. and come election time there will be even more ...

Independents are rolling away from Obama....the ones who gave him a shot feel cheated..and the new voters aren't enthusiastic and passing out at the mention of his name like they did in 08......he is one and done

I disagree .. with Obama you know what you are getting .. more of the same ... a vote for Romney is a vote for and against abortion, its a vote for and against gun control, its a vote for and against healthcare, its a vote for and against immigration controls, its a vote for and against anything you care to mention ... apart from helping the rich folks at the expense of the vast majority of the population ... that last one is a given ... Romney is most definitely a vote to help the rich and take away from the poor and middle class .... it'll drive away not only independents .. but also conservatives, blacks and Latinos, poor, middle class .. in fact .. the vast majority of the US population ...

[itchypickle]

Jw - National unemployment was 8.3% the month after Obama was in office in 2009....after all of the $$ thrown at it we are still at 8.3% with CBO saying it will top 9% again by election time. This isn't counting the record numbers of people who have dropped out of the market or real unemployment %.

Obama did not kill Bin Laden...he simply continued the authorization to seek him out...which was standing orders from previous years.. which the military and others on the ground did and he merely signed the paper saying go ahead with the mission...let's be clear on that. I give big Leon props for his work to date....hell of a job.

By fall he will be faced with not only the Iran issue...but energy and also housing which is still in shambles because of a lack of effort to deal with it and take the hit and move forward...still has the Chinese currency manipulation and trade policy problems which he said he would confront and has not....Gitmo is still open....more people have been forced into poverty under his administration than any other in decades. And last but not least....he will try and paint Romney as "elite and rich" while "I am a man of the tiny people who have no money to spend" until asked "Mr President...aren't you yourself worth north of $10 million, have a campaign chest of nearly $1 Billion and have taken more money from Wall Street than any politician in history?" Yes or no. thereby making his argument about Mitt impotent as Philly Flyers on the day he sees Ron Paul will not win the office He will also need to explain why he promised to 'change D.C. and set aside bickering and just work together' and then run the sound bites of his trashing the other side and the record lows of Congress under his watch because he could not make them kiss and be friends with the wink of an eye or a smile of his pearly whites as he promised to do so.

Face it...Romney wins this thing..close but a win.....electoral college in place easy with the big 3 of Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida and Virginia to boot.

[jw]

As I said earlier .. you have one opinion, I have another .. as long as I can go to sleep each night knowing that my vote will cancel out the vote of Andywend .. i'll sleep soundly in my pit.





.. and with that - I bid you goodnight ... this working for a living is tiring.

[guitarjosh]

As I said earlier .. you have one opinion, I have another .. as long as I can go to sleep each night knowing that my vote will cancel out the vote of Andywend .. i'll sleep soundly in my pit.





.. and with that - I bid you goodnight ... this working for a living is tiring.

Only if you live in the same state.

[golfrulz]

Romney wins in November! Don't let the door hit ya in the ass Barack and Michelle...........Before Endorsement, Trump Trashed Romney: ‘He’s Going To Lose,’ ‘He’d Get Rid Of Jobs’

[itchypickle]

Romney wins in November! Don't let the door hit ya in the ass Barack and Michelle...........Before Endorsement, Trump Trashed Romney: ‘He’s Going To Lose,’ ‘He’d Get Rid Of Jobs’

Who cares about Trump? That was self promotion and nothing more. I don't really think many serious people will change their vote for/against based on his endorsement.

Mitch Daniels....Marco Rubio...Chris Christie....Jeb Bush....those are the voices that serious people listen to in the camps of power that matter. Mitt has 2 and will get the other 2 by summer. At this point it's all about the independents and the middle of the road types....both Mitt and Obama will soon start to come center for the general...typical politicians...lesser of two evils with one being really evil

[Balco10]

Obama is the guy with all the dirt!

[golfrulz]

"Only in America can you be Pro-Death Penalty, Pro-War, Pro-Unmanned Drone Bombs, Pro-Nuclear Weapons, Pro-Guns, Pro-Torture, Pro-Land Mines, and STILL call yourself 'Pro-Life'." ~ John Fugelsang

[rkelly110]

Don't forget, pro religion. I've never seen a party so pro god and do the complete
opposite of what god wants. The ultimate hypocrites.

[jw]

Independents are rolling away from Obama....

http://swampland.time.com/2012/02/03...wsletter-daily

Romney has grown less popular. Some Republicans put a sunny face on the past few weeks of bitter campaigning, saying that it will leave Romney nominee tougher and more-battle tested. But the polls don’t show that. They show that he has become steadily less popular, and his unfavorability rating among independent voters had shot up 20 points between late November and late January. Nor does the primary drama seem to have energized the party’s base, as it did during the epic 2008 fight between Obama and Hillary Clinton. GOP turnout has been below 2010 levels in three of the four contests so far. The exception was South Carolina, the one primary that Gingrich one. That tells you something about the party base’s enthusiasm for Romney.

Obama has become more popular. The President’s erratic approval ratings still resemble the medical chart of a sick patient. But the patient is on the mend: In the summer and fall of last year, Obama’s Gallup approval rating sunk into the dismal high 30s, with his disapproval reaching the mid-50s. Those are not re-election numbers; indeed they’re only slightly better than Jimmy Carter’s when he finished his star-crossed presidency. As Ron Brownstein explains in this great survey of the 2012 swing state landscape, Obama is still probably just on the edge of having a plausible re-election path—thanks in part to the aforementioned popularity problems facing Romney and the Republican Party in general. If Obama’s standing rises even a little, that path starts to grow much easier. Which leads us to the next bit of bad news for Romney:

The economy is growing. Friday’s surprisingly bright job numbers were great news for Americans looking for work. They were bad news, politically speaking, for Romney’s prospects in November. Republicans face the painful dilemma of an economy whose improvement is bad for their prospects in 2012. A candidate like Romney obviously has to deny this. But it’s hardly a secret. At a Rick Santorum campaign event in Greenville, South Carolina, last month, a conservative pastor from the area confessed to me that he was “worried the economy will pick up and the jobs will come back and it’s going to be hard to beat Obama” in the fall.