[dante1]

win the R nomination. Maybe, all the hate directed at R Paul supporters by fellow Republicans may just come back to bite them on the ass. If these numbers hold Obama will grab a large portion of their vote. If Newt wins it may just be the deciding factor. In years past this was not a significant number but it is now guys.

I always said Paul is closer to the D's on most issues than the R's.



45% Obama, 32% Romney, 17% Newt and 5% Santorum

[dante1]

And this will not change at all if Newt wins because both he and Paul said they would note vote for each other. Come on Newt!

[ABEHONEST]

Don't worry about Chubby, I see a fork in his back meaning, he's cooked.

[DwightShrute]

I always said Paul is closer to the D's on most issues than the R's.

like? educate me on where you believe he is close to any Dem issue.

Too me he is the candidate the furthest away from the Democrats. Paul is for civil liberties. Dems are not. Paul is for less government. Dems are not. Paul is for states handling the issues. Dems are not. Paul is for reducing the debt and will cutt one trillion his first year. Dems are the opposite.

[dante1]

Dwight really? Do you know his positions on social issues, compare them to the D's and the R's. Every one he is closer to the D's.

[dante1]

And the D's are not for civil liberties. What?

[RonPaul2008]

win the R nomination. Maybe, all the hate directed at R Paul supporters by fellow Republicans may just come back to bite them on the ass. If these numbers hold Obama will grab a large portion of their vote. If Newt wins it may just be the deciding factor. In years past this was not a significant number but it is now guys.

I always said Paul is closer to the D's on most issues than the R's.



45% Obama, 32% Romney, 17% Newt and 5% Santorum

Obama won't get the vote of Paul supporters, you're nuts. They will write him in, vote for Gary Johnson, vote some other third party, or note vote at all.

[RonPaul2008]

And the D's are not for civil liberties. What?

Obama's DOJ is cracking down on medical cannabis, the Democrats in the Senate are trying to censor the internet, Obama signed NDAA, indefinite detentions of humans continues, Obama voted for Patriot Act and signed it, Obama voted for FISA amendment, and that is just from memory. There is plenty more I could pull up if I did a little research.

[DwightShrute]

And the D's are not for civil liberties. What?

ok maybe that was overstated but definitely because Dems want more and more federal government and regulation. Doesn't that equate with less and less freedoms and liberties for its people? I think so.

That's why Ron Paul could never run for the Dems. He stands for less Federal government interference which is the opposite of the Dems political platform. Where am I going wrong?

[Indecent]

Obama's DOJ is cracking down on medical cannabis, the Democrats in the Senate are trying to censor the internet, Obama signed NDAA, indefinite detentions of humans continues, Obama voted for Patriot Act and signed it, Obama voted for FISA amendment, and that is just from memory. There is plenty more I could pull up if I did a little research.

All that shows is the people we elect are not serving our interests. I think most people who are Democrats would agree these are all bad.

[dante1]

All that shows is the people we elect are not serving our interests. I think most people who are Democrats would agree these are all bad.

Hey, I didn't make up those numbers, talk to your Paul supporters they are the people that manufactured those stats. The bottom line is many Paul supporters realize that if Paul doesn't win the nomination they will vote D. Some Paul supporters are very interested in the social aspect of Libertarianism and that beyond any doubt is closer to D philosophy than R philosophy. This is not an opinion it is a fact. If you don't know that you don't understand the social aspect of Libertarianism.

Argue all you want then look at the numbers.

Sorry I just realized I quoted the wrong guy, I meant to quote the guy that claimed I was nuts. lol

[dante1]

ok maybe that was overstated but definitely because Dems want more and more federal government and regulation. Doesn't that equate with less and less freedoms and liberties for its people? I think so. That's why Ron Paul could never run for the Dems. He stands for less Federal government interference which is the opposite of the Dems political platform. Where am I going wrong?

Dwight you must realize that Libertarianism is a mixed political bag. Yes, when it comes to fiscal policy Libertarianism is more conservative than typical conservatives. However, when it comes to social policy Libertarianism is almost always more liberal than liberal democrats. So you might say why are they R, well they are R because to most Libertarians the fiscal policy is more important than the social policy. However some Libertarians are just as concerned with social policy and that is why many of them would rather vote D than R. I am not making this up. The stats that I originally posted are legit, they didn't come from my arse.

The comical part of this whole thing is some of the L are so new to the philosophy they don't understand the above paragraph. However, the majority of them do and that is why those stats are what they are.

[DwightShrute]

Dwight you must realize that Libertarianism is a mixed political bag. Yes, when it comes to fiscal policy Libertarianism is more conservative than typical conservatives. However, when it comes to social policy Libertarianism is almost always more liberal than liberal democrats. So you might say why are they R, well they are R because to most Libertarians the fiscal policy is more important than the social policy. However some Libertarians are just as concerned with social policy and that is why many of them would rather vote D than R. I am not making this up. The stats that I originally posted are legit, they didn't come from my arse.

The comical part of this whole thing is some of the L are so new to the philosophy they don't understand the above paragraph. However, the majority of them do and that is why those stats are what they are.

being a fiscal conservative I am not in favor of all R beliefs by any means. I see both arguments in the USA, Canada or anywhere else with regards to abortion, death penalty, healthcare etc. My true nature is a liberal but the meaning of liberal as it was decades ago, not this new age meaning of the word which is not nearly the same.

we will agree to disagree on this by the sounds of it but Paul aspires to the beliefs mostly associated with the R's much more than the D's from what I see. That's why he is running under the GOP. I don't see it as even close.

[dante1]

being a fiscal conservative I am not in favor of all R beliefs by any means. I see both arguments in the USA, Canada or anywhere else with regards to abortion, death penalty, healthcare etc. My true nature is a liberal but the meaning of liberal as it was decades ago, not this new age meaning of the word which is not nearly the same. we will agree to disagree on this by the sounds of it but Paul aspires to the beliefs mostly associated with the R's much more than the D's from what I see. That's why he is running under the GOP. I don't see it as even close.

Well then how do you explain those numbers? Look at the social issues and compare D, R and L and you will quickly find that D and L are very close the only difference is in degree. However the R are almost always in a different ball park. One quick example, drug policy. Liberals generally agree that many drugs should be decriminalized or legalized, Libertarians would prefer that all drugs or most should be legalized or decriminalized, R generally believe that most drugs should remain illegal and not ever decriminalized. You see the similarities and the differences, it is self evident. This argument is factual, not opinion even R would mostly agree. If you look at many of the social issues they almost all follow this same pattern. Not an argument really.

[RonPaul2008]

Hey, I didn't make up those numbers, talk to your Paul supporters they are the people that manufactured those stats. The bottom line is many Paul supporters realize that if Paul doesn't win the nomination they will vote D. Some Paul supporters are very interested in the social aspect of Libertarianism and that beyond any doubt is closer to D philosophy than R philosophy. This is not an opinion it is a fact. If you don't know that you don't understand the social aspect of Libertarianism.

Argue all you want then look at the numbers.

Sorry I just realized I quoted the wrong guy, I meant to quote the guy that claimed I was nuts. lol

I don't know where you read that, but I frequent a couple of ron paul forums and just about all of them say they won't vote for Romney, Newt, Sanatorium, or Obama. Myself, if Dr Paul doesn't run Iwill vote for Gary Johnson (L).

[dante1]

I don't know where you read that, but I frequent a couple of ron paul forums and just about all of them say they won't vote for Romney, Newt, Sanatorium, or Obama. Myself, if Dr Paul doesn't run Iwill vote for Gary Johnson (L).

I will attempt to find it again, you know if the Paul R don't vote for any of those above it is a plus for Obama. My point is by taking Paul people out of the equation Obama benefits. I think many Paul supporters either don't vote or vote for Obama. Certainly not all and definitely not a majority but some Paul supporters realize that Obama is a better fit on social ideas than any other R. That is my only point sir.

[BigdaddyQH]

The GOP has taken the position of treating Paul and his supporters with kid gloves. The major candidates have been told not to rip Paul apart too much, or face the wrath of the Party Bosses. Paul would have been run out of the party long ago if the GOP did not care about his supporters. The GOP wants Paul supporters to back their candidate, who now appears to be Mitt Romney. My guess is that few Paul supporters will support Obama. Most true GOP supporters will support the winner at the convention. The Paul Libertarians, who have no business in the party to begin with, wll support some Libertarian, and be thrown out of the GOP. Paul will be dismissed as a political freak and banished to obscurity or the Libertarian Party, which is one and the same.