[Panic]

What's funny is people believing in a structure and CONTAINMENT of religion. There is an old scripture that they wont push in today's religion, that is very clear. It is this: God says, "There will NEVER be a building made by man that can contain me." Anotherwords, people who think church, synagogues, ect.. is the answer and ridicule people who dont go are WRONG. There are people more devoted to God outside that building than the money fake icons and followers inside it. Believe that.

[moneyline]

But there is certainly nothing wrong with believers gathering for worship, either in a church or anywhere else for that matter. The Bible speaks in favor of that OVER AND OVER again. Why someone who believes in the Lord would not want to go and be with other believers to share, and learn more, about their faith is truly baffling.

[Panic]

No problem at all. But does the church ridicule people for not going to church or vice versa? The church makes it clear that you are not accepted unless you stay within their building consistently and give what they want.

[Arnold]

Originally Posted by moneyline

"I don't believe anything."

That about sums it up. There is a right answer, but since you choose not to choose any answer, you have no chance of being right.

That's the problem with Christians, because they think must always be right. When someone asks you a question to which you don't know the answer, do you just make a guess and give that for an answer? I just say "I don't know".

It'd be like taking a multiple choice test and choosing not to fill in any of the blanks.

Exactly, because I am responsible for what I fill out. When I don't know something, I just admit it. Not knowing is not a crime. Making guesses and wrapping them in "truth" is a crime.

Good luck with that strategy. Seems a bit hopeless, but what do I know? I believe this world was created by someone much greater than me.

A Creator and Christian God don't necessarily have to be one. There can be a Creator for sure, but it doesn't automatically prove Christianity true. It can very well disprove it if the Creator happens to be not-Jehovah.

All one has to do is look at the Himalayan mountains to see that ...

What about them? Is God still resides on Mt Everest?

[Arnold]

Originally Posted by moneyline

But there is certainly nothing wrong with believers gathering for worship, either in a church or anywhere else for that matter. The Bible speaks in favor of that OVER AND OVER again. Why someone who believes in the Lord would not want to go and be with other believers to share, and learn more, about their faith is truly baffling.

The Bible doesn't promote church-going as Christians do it today. The church had a different meaning/purpose in the Bible. Also, Jesus never promoted church at all. He came to preach the eternal life, the Kingdom of Heaven, not church-going.

[kingstar]

Dumbass post

[moneyline]

You are not only responsible for what you fill out, but, just as important, you are responsible for what you do not fill out. For some reason, people seem to believe if they make no choices and if God does end up existing, He'll give them a free pass ... interesting concept, especially for those who deal in logic. Because logically it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

And the Bible DOES promote believers gathering together for worship. It always has and it always will. Church happens to be one of the places that this occurs.

[Arnold]

Originally Posted by Panic

No problem at all. But does the church ridicule people for not going to church or vice versa? The church makes it clear that you are not accepted unless you stay within their building consistently and give what they want.

Yes, they do. You're an outcast if you don't go to church. Simple as that. Church is their idol, which is one of the sins from the 10 commandments.

[Arnold]

Originally Posted by moneyline

You are not only responsible for what you fill out, but, just as important, you are responsible for what you do not fill out. For some reason, people seem to believe if they make no choices and if God does end up existing, He'll give them a free pass ... interesting concept, especially for those who deal in logic. Because logically it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Oh, so if he does exist and you guessed it right, then he'll give you a free pass just for a lucky guess? That really does not make any sense. What even more makes no sense, is the idea of spending eternity in hell. I thought God was the all loving God. If that's his love (hell), then I'd rather pass.

And the Bible DOES promote believers gathering together for worship. It always has and it always will. Church happens to be one of the places that this occurs.

In that day there was no internet for Christians to talk to each other. Obviously, it was a good idea to have a gathering place. But this is far from what church has become today. Church happens to be the decisive factor, a ticket machine, that sends you either to heaven, or hell (if you don't go).

[Panic]

Here's one for all of you that take the teachings and structure of religion to heart: In the bible, Jesus never, EVER, ate meat. Why do you?

[Arnold]

Originally Posted by Panic

Here's one for all of you that take the teachings and structure of religion to heart: In the bible, Jesus never, EVER, ate meat. Why do you?

He never said you can't. I also don't see Jesus brush his teeth or go to a toilet. Why should anyone then?

[Panic]

Originally Posted by Arnold

He never said you can't. I also don't see Jesus brush his teeth or go to a toilet. Why should anyone then?

He never said you could either. He taught the disciples to fish, he changed everything for the wedding festival into wine, bread and fish, and his last supper...bread and wine. Most of his teachings were outside instead of in a church setting, right? Believe what you want, structure and containment religion is a joke.

[moneyline]

Having faith does not qualify as a lucky guess. And going to church has nothing to do with salvation. God's love revolves around the fact He sacrificed His son for us and gives us every opportunity to accept Him. He knows we can't earn heaven, but loves us enough to give us a gift, along with the gift of free will.

If you choose not to accept His gift, does that make Him unloving or uncaring to attach consequences to your choices?

I thought a logical thinker would understand and accept the concept that for each choice you make, there are concrete consequences that follow?

Peter, you are the rock that I will build my church upon ...

[Arnold]

Originally Posted by Panic

He never said you could either.

So what does it mean? If he didn't tell you, you can wipe your rear with toilet paper, then you really can't?

He taught the disciples to fish

Doesn't fish has meat?

[Panic]

A logical thinker looks at the iniquities in the world and questions a supreme being...and rightfully so. If there is a God that allows children to be molested and to suffer and die a painful and cruel death at the hands of disease and starvation, then damn right I'm gonna question him and if doesn't like it, then I dont want no part of him. Simple as that. Because there will be no logical explanation for why that happens. None.