[ShamsWoof10]

Originally Posted by TexansFan

Shams, was the Vatican behind 9/11?

NO!

That's not get silly guys... If you can't answer my questions that's fine but don't get silly... lazy is bad enough...

That is the other thing that happens is they get goofy... They can't answer with real answers so goofy stuff like "hey maybe the aliens did it" is usually said to avoid having to come up with answers...

[TexansFan]

Originally Posted by ShamsWoof10

NO!

That's not get silly guys... If you can't answer my questions that's fine but don't get silly... lazy is bad enough...

That is the other thing that happens is they get goofy... They can't answer with real answers so goofy stuff like "hey maybe the aliens did it" is usually said to avoid having to come up with answers...

I'm not trying to get silly. There are actually people who believe that. I'm trying to get a feel on how you think. Again, you really need to go to TheRX and go to the Poli forum over there. You won't believe some of the stuff posted over there and it's poli forum is very active.

[pavyracer]

Originally Posted by ShamsWoof10

Now why can't you answer any of my questions..?

You are completely DISregarding the fact that the plane hit how many colums..? and yet you don't even factor that in...

Hello Mr. Engineer!!!! Going off of your straw example.. pushing the straw in would be the equivalant of the plane striking the colum or don't the plane count in this case...? Instead you "claim" the colums weakend because of fire...

You see what "offical backers" do... If they can't answer something or if the answer will discredit their theory they will just simply ignore it...

Sir I certainly hope you did not build/design the buildings I go in to...

Enroll in school soon and take a statics class.

[ShamsWoof10]

Originally Posted by pavyracer

Enroll in school soon and take a statics class.

This is your answer...? Enroll in school is your answer..?

Why am I surprised.... It's the same bullsh*t approach you took with the other comment about credit players....

You bet 5K 7 times... BIG ****IN' DEAL you are small change compared to credit players...

[ShamsWoof10]

Originally Posted by pavyracer

Enroll in school soon and take a statics class.

Let me try and ask you these questions again and don't give me this go back to school sh*t... If you don't know just say you don't know...

Here is a good shot of plane 2... Take a good HONEST (if you know what that means) look at it and you will need to look at it many times.... Freeze it as the plane is halfway inside the building and you will notice the wings after BEING HALF WAY THROUGH THE BUILDING DON'T EVEN MOVE...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BN-0K7OhDzQ



Now here are my questions which you won't be able to answer but I sure would like to see you try....

Look at the planes deminsions and the towers deminsions which I provided for your lazy as*es...

1.. How does a plane's WING SLICE CLEAN THROUGH those steel colums with absolutely NO resistance...?

2.. How does the nose of the plane and the WINGS go INTO the floor or floors with NO RESISTANCE..??? Note: the nose of the plane is mostly hollow aluminum with the exception of some electronics...

3.. Why doesn't the building collapse right away IF those WINGS actually SLICED through the colums of the building...?

Note: A 767 has a top speed of 360 MPH AT SEA LEVEL and if you ignore the clacker and over ride you can get it up near 400 MPH but THAT'S IT.... The media may say otherwise but that does NOT mean it can happen... It only means they said it did which is NOT THE SAME THING... although I know it is to you people....

You want me to take classes..? Why don't you take classes on action/reaction....

[ShamsWoof10]

You are not even going to try and bullsh*t your way through as you usually do..?

Since you bumped this thread and accused me of not knowing what I am talking about then I guess I'll have to keep asking you until you either admit you don't know or you give me some answers Mr. Engineer..

[pavyracer]

Originally Posted by ShamsWoof10

Let me try and ask you these questions again and don't give me this go back to school sh*t... If you don't know just say you don't know...

Here is a good shot of plane 2... Take a good HONEST (if you know what that means) look at it and you will need to look at it many times.... Freeze it as the plane is halfway inside the building and you will notice the wings after BEING HALF WAY THROUGH THE BUILDING DON'T EVEN MOVE...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BN-0K7OhDzQ

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Now here are my questions which you won't be able to answer but I sure would like to see you try....

Look at the planes deminsions and the towers deminsions which I provided for your lazy as*es...

1.. How does a plane's WING SLICE CLEAN THROUGH those steel colums with absolutely NO resistance...?

2.. How does the nose of the plane and the WINGS go INTO the floor or floors with NO RESISTANCE..??? Note: the nose of the plane is mostly hollow aluminum with the exception of some electronics...

3.. Why doesn't the building collapse right away IF those WINGS actually SLICED through the colums of the building...?

Note: A 767 has a top speed of 360 MPH AT SEA LEVEL and if you ignore the clacker and over ride you can get it up near 400 MPH but THAT'S IT.... The media may say otherwise but that does NOT mean it can happen... It only means they said it did which is NOT THE SAME THING... although I know it is to you people....

You want me to take classes..? Why don't you take classes on action/reaction....

I can tell you the way the buildings collapsed is what you expect when you lose the floor system in the building due to fire. The floor system in the towers was a steel open web joist floor system without steel beams or interior columns that was also used to brace the exterior columns of the building.

The open web joists were connected with a clip angle attached to the exterior walls with only a couple inches of bearing and a couple of inches of welding. Once the intense heat weakened the bearing connections of the open web joists, which are connected with bridging to act as a floor system, the joists started slipping off their connections and fell into the lower floors. Once the columns started losing their bracing at each level and also weakened by the heat the towers were doomed.

Each floor fell and pancaked on the floor below resulting in additional load imposed on the open web joists which overstressed and failed them. Without any lateral support the exterior columns imploded inwards and this is what you saw on TV.

It only needed a couple upper floors to be lost by heat for the whole building to collapse. If the 767's had empty fuel tanks the collision alone could not have tumpled the building over because it was designed to withstand hurricane wind force as well as earthquakes.

If the Sears Tower in Chicago was hit instead it probably could have survived because it has a complete skeleton of columns and beams made of steel which gives it more redundancy to resist the effets of fire.

[ShamsWoof10]

Look Pavy. I am not going to go off on you because you are trying to give an answer... You gave the same answer many times but none of this gibberish answers any of my questions... This is the same stuff I hear from media and that's where you got it too of course... You have so called knowledge in the field but the average American does not and they babble the same exact sh*t...

Either you both got your BS from the same programmer or EVERYONE is an engineer...

Originally Posted by pavyracer

I can tell you the way the buildings collapsed is what you expect when you lose the floor system in the building due to fire. The floor system in the towers was a steel open web joist floor system without steel beams or interior columns that was also used to brace the exterior columns of the building.

YOU can..? How is that.? Have you ever seen a steel building do this..? Has a steel building ever collapsed from a fire prior to 9-11..? It's what you'd expect..? Who would expect..? This sounds so cut and paste...

So how was it the ENTIRE PLANE went into the floor system without any resistance again..? After all that is what I asked...

Originally Posted by pavyracer

The open web joists were connected with a clip angle attached to the exterior walls with only a couple inches of bearing and a couple of inches of welding. Once the intense heat weakened the bearing connections of the open web joists, which are connected with bridging to act as a floor system, the joists started slipping off their connections and fell into the lower floors. Once the columns started losing their bracing at each level and also weakened by the heat the towers were doomed.

Each floor fell and pancaked on the floor below resulting in additional load imposed on the open web joists which overstressed and failed them. Without any lateral support the exterior columns imploded inwards and this is what you saw on TV.

PANCAKED..???? hahaha wow now that's a description I have never heard before when getting the media explanation to how the buildings collapsed.... I would appreciate if you didn't copy them word for word... The towers were "DOOMED"..? do you really talk that way... This all sounds so cut and paste...

So let me ask you a question I actually think you know the anser to... What are the floors made of in that building ...my guess is steel and concreate..? How did the plane completely and ENTIRELY go into these floors BEFORE all this gibberish you are talking about...

Originally Posted by pavyracer

It only needed a couple upper floors to be lost by heat for the whole building to collapse. If the 767's had empty fuel tanks the collision alone could not have tumpled the building over because it was designed to withstand hurricane wind force as well as earthquakes.

If the Sears Tower in Chicago was hit instead it probably could have survived because it has a complete skeleton of columns and beams made of steel which gives it more redundancy to resist the effets of fire.

By heat...? So you are basically ignoring video that suggests that the colums were cut by the wings right..? Heat was why they weaken not because a wings sliced each column... What is the wing span of a 767 and how many columns would have been effected... and how didn't the building instantly collapse..? Oh it was waiting on the heat..? LOL!!!

Look Pavy. if I wanted the MSNBC version I would ask for it... Pavy. since you went to school how about some laws of physics that explain how a plane can COMPLETELY go INTO a floor system as you call it..

For someone who claims to be educated in this field I would say this is a pathetic explanation...

[Dark Horse]

I only recently realized how the anthrax - of American origin - fit into the 9/11 picture.

Hint: it ain't the Afghan cave dwellers.

[ShamsWoof10]

You know Pavy.. I can actually say this and be completely honest about it... BatemanPatrick did a better job at trying to explain it then you have... I never thought I would say that...

Originally Posted by Dark Horse

I only recently realized how the anthrax - of American origin - fit into the 9/11 picture.

Hint: it ain't the Afghan cave dwellers.

I won't mind if you fill me in... I have heard there is a connection but I never fully looked into it... What you got..?

[Dark Horse]

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[Dark Horse]

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[Dark Horse]

Hypothesis:

The anthrax was sent to two government representatives, and one of the main media.

WHY?

What was the point of doing so? It's not that hard to figure out that the official 9/11 theory is absurd. So it couldn't hurt to give government and media a little added incentive to walk the line.

Was somebody trying to tell us something along the lines of this, seemingly unrelated, story (previously posted). For the record, this story is now officially 'classified', along with the other damaging 9/11 stuff on Israel:



You do the math. Is somebody telling us that they have the means, and intention, to use biological weapons against us?

[ShamsWoof10]

I believe this is the four part special they had covering the Isreali's spy ring and the ones who were dancing and celebrating on 9-11... Correct me if I am wrong but I think they mentioned two Isreali companies in charge of comuincations and billing... I can't remember the companies but one started with a C... There was also art students involved with tapping certain goverment officals and I gotta admit the way they did it was very clever...

Are you saying that because of the Isreali spy ring all together that certain people were being let's just say "influenced" to bury the spy ring case..?

I can see that...

ok nevermind I just read this post from ab