9/11- Was America Involved??

imgv94 · 04-23-2006, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Rounder99

I The fact that you people believe that the people that died on those planes are still alive and sipping pina coladas somewhere is an insult to those who died on that tragic day.

I do not think thats what we are saying. But Welcome
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tacomax · 04-23-2006, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rounder99

Do you honestly believe in todays day and age when our government can not keep secrets from our media,i.e. CIA spies, military campaigns, etc. w/o someone leaking the information and having it show up on CNN. Yet you all believe that the government would be able to pull this off w/o any hard evidence leaking out?

Do you honestly believe everything which the government tells you?

Rounder99 · 04-23-2006, 04:55 PM

I don't believe everything that the government tells me. However, you are taking a leap across the grand canyon to go from " they are not telling us the whole truth" to "our government conspired to kill over 3,000 of its own citizens".

BuddyBear · 04-23-2006, 05:33 PM

i am as liberal as it gets trust me....and I don't see how the goverment could coordiante such a disaster. I mean it couldn't have been scripted....basically to believe that the 9/11 attacks were premediated you need to belive that a vast conspiracy existed between high ranking goverment officials, officials at the WTC, and airline officials, etc...and that everything happened correctly.

While I think legitimate criticism exists that the administration could have done more before or missed some signs or exploring the causes for these events...to suggest that they allowed some 3,000 people to die for a political gain (i.e. war in Iraq), allowed the econmony to plummet, and to put more (American) lives in greater risk with follwup military action, ....i believe is a bit of a stretch.

Yeah everyone knows Bush and Cheney may be the most irresponsible and corrupt group of human beings ever to run this country, and I guess quite frankly if tangible evidence ever did exist to support any of these conspiracy theories I really wouldn't be suprised but I am willing to give these fools the benefit of the doubt....all the evidence as of now is striclty speculative and bordering on paranoia and even to some degree racist against specific groups of people.

imgv94 · 04-23-2006, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by isetcap

Good job, people. Fiction is much more exciting than reality.

isetcap explain this?

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html

FatFreddy · 01-07-2008, 01:33 PM

Have you seen this picture? It's the nose of the plane that hit the Pentagon. It's too narrow to be the nose of a 757.

http://www.g7welcomingcommittee.com/...gon1_plane.jpg
http://www.knowledgedrivenrevolution...agon_Video.jpg

I know the picture was taken with a fish-eye lens but nothing else in the picture is similarly distorted.

These two analyses are consistent with the picture of the nose of the plane that hit the Pentagon.

http://www.physics911.ca/Dewdney:_The_Missing_Wings
http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/A...March2006.html

Also, it can be shown that a 757 would not fit behind the box in the picture that's on the top of this page.
http://0911.site.voila.fr/index3.htm

The height of the Pentagon is 77 ft.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pentagon

The length of a 757 is 155 ft.
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/757...f_200tech.html

A 757 stood on its tail would be twice as high as the Pentagon.

In the picture we can see the tail of the plane but not the nose. The nose of the plane is behind the box. If the nose of the plane is just out of site behind the box we can see the length of the plane. If we allow for the angle and increase the size about twenty percent and stand the plane on its tail next to the Pentagon at the spot that's the same distance from the camera as the plane is, it's clear that it's not twice as tall as the Pentagon. Whatever hit the Pentagon was smaller than a 757.

Here is some more stuff I found.

"Painful Deceptions" is pretty good. It's in here.
http://www.question911.com/linksall.htm

9/11 Mysteries is pretty good.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...71955308136871

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...07671184881047
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...04017463126290
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stVmEmJ666M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLrN9PWzB_o
http://www.wtc7.net/articles/WhyIndeed09.pdf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U_GISl3aAA
http://www.snowshoefilms.com/911coverup.html
http://www.snowshoefilms.com/featured.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9t_i08d1xc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fmTgfmjtzk

I hope nobody thinks this is spam just because there are a lot of links. I just want to share the stuff I've found.

ShamsWoof10 · 01-07-2008, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by FatFreddy

Have you seen this picture? It's the nose of the plane that hit the Pentagon. It's too narrow to be the nose of a 757.

http://www.g7welcomingcommittee.com/...gon1_plane.jpg
http://www.knowledgedrivenrevolution...agon_Video.jpg

I know the picture was taken with a fish-eye lens but nothing else in the picture is similarly distorted.

These two analyses are consistent with the picture of the nose of the plane that hit the Pentagon.

http://www.physics911.ca/Dewdney:_The_Missing_Wings
http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/A...March2006.html

Also, it can be shown that a 757 would not fit behind the box in the picture that's on the top of this page.
http://0911.site.voila.fr/index3.htm

The height of the Pentagon is 77 ft.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pentagon

The length of a 757 is 155 ft.
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/757...f_200tech.html

A 757 stood on its tail would be twice as high as the Pentagon.

In the picture we can see the tail of the plane but not the nose. The nose of the plane is behind the box. If the nose of the plane is just out of site behind the box we can see the length of the plane. If we allow for the angle and increase the size about twenty percent and stand the plane on its tail next to the Pentagon at the spot that's the same distance from the camera as the plane is, it's clear that it's not twice as tall as the Pentagon. Whatever hit the Pentagon was smaller than a 757.

Here is some more stuff I found.

"Painful Deceptions" is pretty good. It's in here.
http://www.question911.com/linksall.htm

9/11 Mysteries is pretty good.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...71955308136871

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...07671184881047
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...04017463126290
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stVmEmJ666M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLrN9PWzB_o
http://www.wtc7.net/articles/WhyIndeed09.pdf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U_GISl3aAA
http://www.snowshoefilms.com/911coverup.html
http://www.snowshoefilms.com/featured.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9t_i08d1xc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fmTgfmjtzk

I hope nobody thinks this is spam just because there are a lot of links. I just want to share the stuff I've found.

You don't have to go any further then Donald Rums(woofs boy)feld! He said in an interview which I am sure I can dig up the transcript of that "A MISSLE" and this is QUOTING HIM hit the pentagon! I believe him there was no plane there...

McBa1n · 01-19-2008, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by imgv94

I have been reading about the events of Sept 11 2001. Something isn't right about how 2 planes crashed into the WTC and then an hour later another one crashed into the Pentagon.

The plane that hit the Pentagon was flying in a no fly zone for
15 mins?? Don't you think the Pentagon should of been on alert since an hour before two planes crashed into the tallest buildings in the country?? I think 15 mins was plenty of
time to react.

Something doesn't sound right??
I heard a guy on the radio who used to work in the
Pentagon and he says he has his concerns also.

It's a fact that they DID know a plane was in the 'no fly area'. That's one of the scary things that kind of validates the theorists. I think it was more un-preparedness and also incompetence, though.

Bush already had the country moving towards the aristocracy it's become, prior to 9/11. I can't see any motivation in any of the 'theories' that could validate any American even thinking - let alone being involved - in such a horrible attack.

It's not real fun to read the conspiracy theorists on that event. Although, I like the idea of conspiracy theorists being anti-establishment and all - but making up crap and using fringe (at best) information is no way to break it down.

Willie Bee · 01-20-2008, 08:26 AM

Excellent post, McBa1n. You can almost see Dumbya and Cheney sitting around the Oval Office (imagine Bush as Beavis and Dick as Butthead), and Bush saying something like, "Yeah, yeah, chatter is up Butthead. If those assholes try something then the American people will let me have a war just like my daddy had a war when he was president. Yeah, war is cool." But some of the theorists sit around and act just like the FDR/Pearl Harbor folks who would have you believe Roosevelt actually ordered the Japanese to invade Hawaii. Didn't happen either time.

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ShamsWoof10 · 01-20-2008, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by McBa1n

It's a fact that they DID know a plane was in the 'no fly area'. That's one of the scary things that kind of validates the theorists. I think it was more un-preparedness and also incompetence, though.

Bush already had the country moving towards the aristocracy it's become, prior to 9/11. I can't see any motivation in any of the 'theories' that could validate any American even thinking - let alone being involved - in such a horrible attack.
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How so..? ...and kind of..?

You can't be serious..???

McBa1n · 01-20-2008, 10:16 PM

I don't know if you remember how our government has handled so many things - administratively especially - in the past 7 years. They've been extremely lax and unprepared time and again in many instances... But even so - there's no way one can expect such excellence in our national defense 100% of the time. Other planes have flown thru there over the years and they weren't shot down... Maybe they weren't thinking that it was a threat - and that's very likely.

But seriously, what motivation could you see the US's elite have to take down billions - if not trillions in assets, destroying the economy, etc... They stand more to lose in holdings than they could gain.

And why would our government want to strip our freedoms, like they did with the patriot act, when they just did those things on their own anyway without it.

I have researched and am published in boring textbooks on disinformation campaigns and what have you - it's always a tiny bit of 'loose' information that starts these things - and the belief that it COULD be true that makes them so effective.

The former Soviet Union got Americans to think that the US government created AIDS (which is a published fact that they did - whether its true or not is impossible to debate)... Also, in Laos in 50s/60s, the people were afraid of americans because there was advertising that Americans ate babies (using the Gerber Baby).

Why these things work is because people don't question the information that they are given and aren't educated well enough. It works both ways - the 'agenda' of the media, and those that come up with these crackpot theories. The other thing that makes it work is that 'string' of possible evidence that makes someone think it's possible.

I'm very serious, because I don't trust any 1 source for information. And beyond that, learning the sources motivations and the sources they use is important. If anything, it's better to be skeptical and not believe everything you hear... But most conspiracy theorists (not the originators, so much), don't do their homework - for me, it's entertainment. I enjoy hearing the unbelievable things - but with this all this garbage about 9/11, it's amazing it's taken so long to develop and also - it hits home due to my proximity to family/friends and people close to me that died or could've died if they didn't have a hangover or show up late to work because they stopped for coffee...

ShamsWoof10 · 01-21-2008, 12:04 AM

You guys talk like the goverment has never f*cked it's people over before... Anyone remember the "syphilis" deal where the goverment held the cure back for over 20 years to the blacks in the south... Clintion did apoligize for it FINALLY IN 1996 not that they can bring back the millions they allowed to die...

I have Clinton apologizing on tape THAT'S MY BASIS!

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Originally Posted by McBa1n

But seriously, what motivation could you see the US's elite have to take down billions - if not trillions in assets, destroying the economy, etc... They stand more to lose in holdings than they could gain.

Tell ya' what.... you read "The Grand Chessboard" and you'll be able to answer your own question...

pavyracer · 01-21-2008, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Horse

There are always a lot of people who believe the conspiracy theories. In this case that is everybody who believes the official account.

9/11 was an inside job (probably neocons and mossad). I'd put my entire bankroll on it.

A good place to start is to watch a video of WTC #7 crashing to the ground. Admittedly 'pulled', in the words of Larry Silverstein, who only six weeks before 9/11 had become the new owner of the Twin Towers...
No plane flew into WTC #7, yet it became the third high riser in history to collapse due to fire. The other two being the Twin Towers...

Actually, a better place to start is right here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=loose+change

Edit: Loose Change was already recommended. lol. Gotta love this place. People fall all over each other at other forums when this subject comes up.

If you are not a structural engineer it's risky to speculate.

http://www.structuremag.org/Archives...sanz-Nov07.pdf