[AgainstAllOdds]

Is he the modern day Stu Unger?

[Cappy]

Why would you say that?

[Cappy]

I guess I don't see the correlation that you're forming

[Illusion]

Mike's good, but he's not even in Stu's ballpark.

[VegasDave]

Originally Posted by Illusion

Mike's good, but he's not even in Stu's ballpark.

+1

[AgainstAllOdds]

Well in my comparison is that,(if you have read his background) is he almost like stu unger in the fact that hes a great poker player but always goes into the hole with sports betting. Hes turned his ways around a little bit but hes still one bet away from a train wreck. Mike was(and maybe still is) very heavy into drugs.

[bmw530i]

pokertube.com has alot of mike's vids and others. He just lost alot of weight on a 100k prop bet that he won. he was just sittin on fulltilt with like $37,000.

[Cappy]

Stu Ungar was a superstar

[Cappy]

A lot of big poker players bet sports

[Cappy]

Doyle Brunsons talks about it, I want to do more random prop betting that seems fun

[white2devine7]

No, he has a long way to go before reaching Ungar level.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by white2devine7

No, he has a long way to go before reaching Ungar level.

in terms of poker eliteness

[Cappy]

I think it's a strange comparison to make

[max_asdf]

no i don think so

[EdwardA]

Don't get me wrong, Mike is a really good player but nobody is any close to the skills of Stu Unger.

[EmceeDusty]

I dont think the guy was comparing them skill wise, I think he was trying to say these 2 guys might be the biggest degenerates in the world. The whole mike matusow story is def a unreal read, From straining his shoulder from playing slot machines for 18 hours a day, Getting arrested by the feds for selling an undercover agent some coke and of course losing so much money online he had to get his friend to come take his mouse and keyboard away from him so he would stop playing. Guys unreal.

[jjgold]

how does he always have money?
Maybe backers
He is well liked also amongst fellow prod
Stu unger played with watered down competition
Amount of people playing now is approx 10x bigger

[fiveteamer]

exactly, Stu played when nobody was playing or paid any attention to poker.

he did not have to deal with 19 year old whiz kid china men winning tournaments out of no where.

guy was also a coked up degen.

[EddieJones]

Yeah I've seen Matusow play a few hands on Full Tilt. He's pretty tight online. The Lindren guy, he likes to mix it up. Mike Swick also plays online. We usually play the same limit sng games and I've actually played against Swick. He's a pretty tight player as well.

[gm2022]

Theres a big difference between the 2, Stu was known for his cash games skills playing in the biggest cash games in the world. Mike plays manily in tounreys and still to this day is one of the worst Br Management skills. Stu was backed in alot of the situations that he was in but had his own money. Only thing that would be similar between the 2 is they at one point in theirs lives had a drug problem!

[BrianLaverty]

jjgold,

He never has money in his name. ALWAYS in debt.

I heard that he wasn't able to keep even a dollar from the money he won at the WSOP this year (I think 400,000+) because he owed so many people money.

And don't ever compare him to Stu Unger. Stu Unger was the best CARD player of all time.... No one will ever come close to what he accomplished.

Mike Matusow is a coke head, so I guess there is your similarity, but is an average tournament poker player.

[fiveteamer]

wasn't stu always in debt aswell?

is stu the best because he died young?

[BrianLaverty]

Now if you want a real comparison to Stu Unger in the modern day, its without a doubt Vinny Vinh.

He's a great poker player and will die from a drug overdose... no doubt in my mind.

here's an article about him http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/poker...ary&id=2900500

[BrianLaverty]

Originally Posted by fiveteamer

wasn't stu always in debt aswell?

is stu the best because he died young?

No.. he was never really in debt. He got staked occasionally for tournaments, but his downfall was always drugs.

Mike Matusow borrows money cause he goes broke playing poker... and drugs.

Stu Unger would borrow money, pay it back immediately, win a shitload playing poker, then lose it with drugs. Never loses it playing cards.... unlike Matusow.

[BrianLaverty]

By the way, that wasn't the link i wanted to post about Vinny VInh.


This one is: http://www.pokernews.com/news/2007/6...innie-vinh.htm


He's a sad story and just reminds me of Stu Unger: the poker talent, the drugs and the way he went off on dealers.

[donjuan]

Stu was known for his cash games skills playing in the biggest cash games in the world.

WTF?

[pokerislife]

Mike the mouth is nothing but a degen putz who gets lucky once in awhile///he is not considered a skill player by anybody in poker

[McBa1n]

I saw him at a Vegas 51s game with his entourage - Like all W Coast sport fans, they all showed up around the 7th inning and were completely rude and obnoxious. I'm not saying I'm a saint.... But damn, the whole section cleared out. I guess that's how 'poker stars' blow off steam - act like wankers.

[donjuan]

Like all W Coast sport fans

That's LA, not all of the West Coast.

[jjgold]

Mike now is on Poker after Dark on late night tv NBC

Solid poker show

[rm18]

they said Ungar made about 30 million, hard to know how accurate that is

[Wheell]

Stu Ungar was pretty incomparable in terms of overall card playing skills. Relative to some of his other games poker might have been his weakest, and in poker he was the best player in the world for a while. Mike Matasow and Stu Ungar share self destructive tendencies but their skill level isn't comparable. Stu didn't face the fields we see today but i have no doubt you'd see him make more final tables per tournament appearance than anyone else if he were in his prime today. Stu had Negraneau's sick ability to read people as well as the insane lack of fear required to play no limit well.

[Data]

Originally Posted by Wheell

Stu didn't face the fields we see today but i have no doubt you'd see him make more final tables per tournament appearance than anyone else if he were in his prime today.

I think that would be highly unlikely. I am wondering what you are basing this opinion on.

He could have been a genius but it is not that difficult to dominate a small field, that is why the odds are he was not.

There are two common trends I noticed while reading about Stuey, the old farts always say that the grass was greener back in the day and the attention whores will gladly praise another person as long as that person is dead.

[bmw530i]

If he never played poker....