[Bill Dozer]

Most guys here don't need this warning but avoid BetFirstClass. The book is showing more red flags than this year's olympics. A BetFirstClass user ID works for sportsbooks (NetBet777 and BetDragon) with the same site registration as scambook Atlanstisbets. The site claims it is part of the SBG Global Group which SBG denies. That looks like lazy copy n paste job.

[Mudcat]

Now that's funny. I have heard of books claiming to be part of a respectable family like CRIS or Greek or whatever, but these guys try to piggyback on SBG Global.

It's like a singer lying that Roseanne Barr taught them everything they know.

[biggamer3]

Now that's funny. I have heard of books claiming to be part of a respectable family like CRIS or Greek or whatever, but these guys try to piggyback on SBG Global.

It would be kind of like a singer lying that Roseanne Barr taught them everything they know.

I learned acting from Pam Anderson

[Bill Dozer]

The email addresses on some pages go to @jlbets.com and @betsuperior.com. Could be more copy-paste. The site is referred to as WagerRightonline.com as well on a page or two... Site thrown together.

[Chi-Town]

They are loving this book at another forum. I agree with Dozer. Too many red flags and just too new. Popping up just before football can never be good.

[fiveteamer]

DacBietViet just put his allowance in there.

[Bill Dozer]

If I was a victim of Atlantisbets or DunHillCasino I'd be calling right now.

[stump]

still amazes me that people will post up at these new books. i don't care what bonus they offer, stick wtih the books that have been here so you will have your money when you need it

[bigboydan]

still amazes me that people will post up at these new books. i don't care what bonus they offer, stick wtih the books that have been here so you will have your money when you need it

If I remember correctly Atlantisbets and DunHillCasino were taking advantage of by tout type salesmen scammers. So with that being said, I can't say I'm surprised that people fall for this one at all. I mean not everyone knows of this/these forums sir.

[Bill Dozer]

Their rep is telling players they have no affiliation with the sites we mentioned despite the fact we can sign up for an account and log into all of them. I don't think they even try to pretend at EOG anymore. Oddsmaker steals winnings and Bet911 hasn't paid big winners during the summer.

[RiverRaid]

Thanks Billy

[chance]

They are going way over the top promoting this site. Shrinks 5k backing is useless. As soon as he gets wind of any problems he can drop them as an advertiser and not have to pay anyone.

Others over their are needlessly sticking their necks out. Hope not too many people get burnt!!!

[Bill Dozer]

Unfortunately there aren't enough posters there to care or who are aware of the Atlantisbets scam. They steal 6 figures and you have Raiders7200 taking them to task over how many clicks it takes to get a bet in through the wagering process. That's what newbs will see when EOG starts emailing lists press releases.

The poster representing the book doesn't understand the tech questions being asked. He doesn't realize that people can see they are on the same single server in "Canada" while they send emails from CR.

[SSLP]

I know these guys , they offer a software service and provide you with hosting and what not , most of the time they dont even know the owner is after charging a flat flee.

A lot of people are starting to use this software now and I am sure if you do some asking around town bill you will find out that more books every day use it for the economic price of it.

At the same time its a shame most people use economic tools to scam people but these guys just help small people get a shop up and running without having to pay $100k.

I am friends with someone that got conned at Atlantisbets and we went out on witchhunt for them and we couldnt find them.

I have played a few times as a local with them and they have paid me out always .. thats all I have to say people here know I dont shill for ANYONE. I am not RobmPink

You should study them and give them a rating bill , thats all I am saying

[Bill Dozer]

I know these guys , they offer a software service and provide you with hosting and what not , most of the time they dont even know the owner is after charging a flat flee.

A lot of people are starting to use this software now and I am sure if you do some asking around town bill you will find out that more books every day use it for the economic price of it.

At the same time its a shame most people use economic tools to scam people but these guys just help small people get a shop up and running without having to pay $100k.

I am friends with someone that got conned at Atlantisbets and we went out on witchhunt for them and we couldnt find them.

I have played a few times as a local with them and they have paid me out always .. thats all I have to say people here know I dont shill for ANYONE. I am not RobmPink

You should study them and give them a rating bill , thats all I am saying

Thanks SSLP. I understand what you are saying. Very different people can be involved in the same operation.

I can believe they are oblivious to the scams. Maybe they pay their locals...maybe Atlantisbets does too? The point is if they are faciliating scams ignorance is not an excuse. Those types are better off not solicitating post-up vs. coming on and saying a different investor owns this chunk over here. We get the same argument from people that know the GPS Global SA guys which hosts Lazerwager and from the owner of 4Sportspicks when the sites they hosted were stiffing.

[SSLP]

Bill I agree with you 100% , wagerrightonline has paid me like 4 times and I often have them as an out , although lines could be better.

Point is Bill im sure you are fully aware of this alot of guys , that have 20 to 30 players or want to start a PPH business use this , I am saying it cause I was gonna use it myself for a PPH operation and for my new venture I was starting but due to lack of funding I shut it down , I wasnt about to become the next LazerWager or a deposit only book , so I put it on standby .

They should have more hosting capabilty though and look into their clients a bit more , but then again does DGS or ASI look into if their clients pay or not?

In the end people should really do research now a days because anybody can have a sportsbook in this day an age.

[Bill Dozer]

Selling software has nothing to do with hosting the site. Those scammes at Futurebet have great software and I wouldn't blame someone for buying a license. Oddsmaker buying on to the futurebet board and stiffing all the little shops and their players is different. If Oddsmaker did pay everyone after what they did, would it matter?

[SSLP]

You do have a point there , but for whats it worth they host all their clients since their software is web based.

All I could ever find on Atlantis bets was some dude Carlos who is MIA.

Maybe you should speak to them Bill and help them with their business model.

Futurebet would be better off selling licenses than booking though ...

[Richkas]

JLBets hmmmmmmmm

[SSLP]

Yep , that was me Richkas remember how you burned me? how you and JJ started bashing ?

And yes I shut the site down due to lack of funding never even went on the air or took a single bet, I do have integrity not like some other people I know.

Werent you the one leaving me VMs to give you a credit to try the site out?

[AnotherLoan]

http://www.gambling911.com/gambling-...in-082508.html

[betplom]

They do have a hot chicas page:

http://www.betfirstclass.com/girls.asp

[Al Masters]

The joint across the street is endorsing this shop 100%, they announced that they did there due diligence in allowing them to advertise there, as it took a while for them to pass there application standards(a website & cash).

They got some guy running around in circles trying to answer questions,are your servers in Canada was one of the questions, after answering ..yes ..it was brought to his attention..that it couldn't be since the outfit was in CR....he then said" whats the difference if the servers were in Egypt", one of many comical examples.

Every cop in that district including the sheriff has given there posters the "alls clear to play with them", it took a poster from here to alarm the bells over there only to be ridiculed by some.

Some jerk-off (linemover or something)even suspected that Bill Dozer was one of the posters being skeptical.

For there sake they better be right about this shop, many reputations on the line there, but i don't think so, as i believe Bill Dozer to be more then reputable in these types of situations.

Reading a few threads there in reference to this shop makes me think of the movie the Sting, i'm just not sure if it's the Sherriff and his crew getting conned or doing the conning. Time will tell.

[durito]

I got a pm from this guy this morning.

Please relize I had well over 250 Pm's 7 no clue how many calls JUST TODAY

winnners are treated very very well, that said if you play nothing but steam & win at 65+++ % clip we will kindly call you & say SIR we show you up 11,390 & your money will be sent today & we do NOT want your action

if you are playing on your own & just getting lucky we have no Probs

Either way you will always be treated fairly & always get paid as fae as HOW LONG BUSINESS

well over 15-yrs &

#1 ALWAYS PAID

#2 cut off 2-clients in 15-yrs

hope this helps & sorry for delay

[fiveteamer]

sounds like a pm from CW.

[SSLP]

I spoke to them , and they said that they were going to change some things and they didnt realize their content was from SBG they hired someone to help and it seems to be he did the old copy & paste move .

They also said they would sign up here and issue an apology to people , it seems to be that they want to be put to the test they paid me out in the past fine .

The amounts were $900 , $1400 , $3000 and $200 i think the 4 times they paid me.
Then again I AM LOCAL but they did pay me.

Ok Im stepping aside now , its up to Bill now ..just thought I would update on whats going on

[AnotherLoan]

Absolutely no reason to ever sign up with this book.

[raiders72002]

C'mon Bill - All sportsbook rules are almost the same. Copy/paste rules and add some additional is no big deal.

[durito]

C'mon Bill - All sportsbook rules are almost the same. Copy/paste rules and add some additional is no big deal.

Explain why you can login with passwords/usernames from stiff books?

If they've been in business for 15 years, how come no one's heard of them before 12 minutes ago?


I'll give most any book a try, and my risk threshold is probably way lower than most, but they haven't met it yet.

[raiders72002]

Explain why you can login with passwords/usernames from stiff books?

If they've been in business for 15 years, how come no one's heard of them before 12 minutes ago?


I'll give most any book a try, and my risk threshold is probably way lower than most, but they haven't met it yet.

not positive what you mean by the password/login question. They were a big local outfit. Trust many locals more than new post up shops.

[Bill Dozer]

The sites that aren't whois'd by a proxy are reg'd to the Atlantisbets/Dunhill stiffs. All sites sharing the same database. Maybe EnglishSportsBetting or BetOnSports can add some skins for football. I'm sure the new guy will make sure ESB handles your personal info properly.

[topcat]

Most guys here don't need this warning but avoid BetFirstClass. The book is showing more red flags than this year's olympics. A BetFirstClass user ID works for sportsbooks (NetBet777 and BetDragon) with the same site registration as scambook Atlanstisbets. The site claims it is part of the SBG Global Group which SBG denies. That looks like lazy copy n paste job.

i posted that it took a fool to send these guys money.thanks for posting this stuff.wold you thnk the shrink is the front man?not accusing him,just saying.

[Bill Dozer]

No, just more fly-by-nights paying to get some action going before football.

[SBR_John]

Shrink is not involved with them except to promote them imho.

With all the warnings of connections to stiff books a guy would be an insane retard to send this book money. I wouldnt consider them a lock to even make it to opening NFL Sunday. Oh and last time Raiders was in here shilling for a book they never made another payout. The call on this one is just too easy.