[durito]

I tried posting in the soccer forum, but that place gets less traffic than the tennis forum. Hopefully someone here can help me out, i'm a gringo i don't understand soccer.

--Who originates lines? I'm mostly interested in south american soccer, but in general which book posts lines first or are there several?

--Why does pinnacle have such high limits on spreads/handicaps and lower on 3-ways? Isn't most betting 3 way? I look at Brazil Serie A and they have $5,000 limits on the spread, and $1,000 on 3 way and the money lines are circled till right before game time. Then look at betfair and they have $250,000 matched on the 3way and 87 cents matched on the handicap. Doesn't make sense?

[woodg8]

Most people on Betfair bet straight on match odds, asian handicap isn't the best or most popular in the UK, so that explains that. Pinnacle has alot of asian players too, and they love handicap betting, I personally don't like it.

[Nicky Santoro]

dury,

nobody really cares about soccer here.. except maybe for a few.. americans in general only care about american sports, like NFL, and NBA.. soccer is a fag sport dury..

that's why the soccer forum gets less traffic than my grandmother's driveway..

NO ONE CARES ABOUT SOCCER HERE.

[pavyracer]

Originally Posted by Nicky Santauro

dury,

nobody really cares about soccer here.. except maybe for a few.. americans in general only care about american sports, like NFL, and NBA.. soccer is a fag sport dury..

that's why the soccer forum gets less traffic than my grandmother's driveway..

NO ONE CARES ABOUT SOCCER HERE.

Richkas? Switch the username son.

[durito]

Someone has to be able to answer my first question.

[pavyracer]

Originally Posted by durito

Someone has to be able to answer my first question.

My guess is either bwin or betfair. bwin I think is larger. If you follow the leagues yearlong you can guess the lines before they come out. Very easy.

[durito]

Bwin seems to have lines for an incredible number of leagues (with ridiculous hold).

They have lines on AA us baseball. That seems really odd to me.

Do they limit winners real fast?

[Red_Sux]

i donno the answer, but in case you don't know already, soccerway has asian hadnicap lines for major books. you can line shop by finding the best +0/+0.5 or +0.5/+1 line. suprisingly, 5dimes has better lines than pinnacle for some games.

[Red_Sux]

arsenal game for example:

http://www.soccerway.com/match/premi...ub/636924/odds

[Shark79]

Originally Posted by durito

I tried posting in the soccer forum, but that place gets less traffic than the tennis forum. Hopefully someone here can help me out, i'm a gringo i don't understand soccer.

--Who originates lines? I'm mostly interested in south american soccer, but in general which book posts lines first or are there several?

I know betfair has lines up pretty early, if they originate them, I dunno. Bwin has also a good outcome with lines

--Why does pinnacle have such high limits on spreads/handicaps and lower on 3-ways?
Isn't most betting 3 way? I look at Brazil Serie A and they have $5,000 limits on the spread, and $1,000 on 3 way and the money lines are circled till right before game time. Then look at betfair and they have $250,000 matched on the 3way and 87 cents matched on the handicap. Doesn't make sense?

Pinny is not my top book for soccer.

[Shark79]

Originally Posted by Nicky Santauro

dury,

nobody really cares about soccer here.. except maybe for a few.. americans in general only care about american sports, like NFL, and NBA.. soccer is a fag sport dury..

that's why the soccer forum gets less traffic than my grandmother's driveway..

NO ONE CARES ABOUT SOCCER HERE.

But u prefer to see threads of guys jerking off.

U are one fvked up cookie.

[Shark79]

Originally Posted by Red_Sux

i donno the answer, but in case you don't know already, soccerway has asian hadnicap lines for major books. you can line shop by finding the best +0/+0.5 or +0.5/+1 line. suprisingly, 5dimes has better lines than pinnacle for some games.

Soccerway is da shizza!!

[durito]

Originally Posted by Red_Sux

i donno the answer, but in case you don't know already, soccerway has asian hadnicap lines for major books. you can line shop by finding the best +0/+0.5 or +0.5/+1 line. suprisingly, 5dimes has better lines than pinnacle for some games.

Yes but pinny has $20,000 limits on major games and 5dimes has $25.

[Red_Sux]

Originally Posted by durito

Yes but pinny has $20,000 limits on major games and 5dimes has $25.

20k if it is world cup. most games are 1-2k limit. weekday small country games tend to fall between 250-500. weekend games has big limits.

[durito]

A nice -125/125 they are dealing for the copa sudamericana vs -104/104 at pinnacle

[englishmike]

Durito: Go to oddschecker.com, that will tell you where to get the best odds on any game and you can take your chances from there.

[RogueJuror]

88royal group and the 961 group monopolize most of South American soccer. They have the biggest syndicates betting into them and always offers first dib to the worthy ones pre-market. For example Brazil Serie A, in a non midweek round, this select few have access around Tuesday to the weekend markets, then there's another round Wednesday to a broader audience, before finally going public. There after sbobet opens (they don't do much pre-market of their own) and the world follows.

The reason bwin and others seems to be the first is because, by nature, insiders to this operations tend to share data. For example, even though sbobet foregoes pretty much the pre-markets, they know exactly how efficient the markets are getting at the bigger operations. The same for bwin, which at manageable-risk limits opens and 'takes the credit'. bwin will limit you and bwin will kick you out, with such MO is not difficult being the 'first'.

Unlike in the Caribbean where olympic/cris are the dominant originators, in asia the syndicates are really the ones that set the markets, it's something difficult to grasp the notion that the one betting is the one setting the odds but that's how it is and that's how it works. Syndicates dominate South American soccer.

[durito]

Thank you.

Any idea if any books have decent limits on colombian soccer?

I downloaded some stats and made a basic model -- mostly just because I want to learn soccer, and I live here so I'd like to follow what everyone else loves. I was killing pinnacle through 3 weeks (relatively at $50 a pop and probably purely luck). Last week they didn't post em at all though.

[RogueJuror]

Originally Posted by durito

Any idea if any books have decent limits on colombian soccer?

In the Caribbean and Europe I know of none, in Asia with the bigger operations you can get great limits by agreeing to a turnover figure per market.

[AgainstAllOdds]

Originally Posted by RogueJuror

88royal group and the 961 group monopolize most of South American soccer. They have the biggest syndicates betting into them and always offers first dib to the worthy ones pre-market. For example Brazil Serie A, in a non midweek round, this select few have access around Tuesday to the weekend markets, then there's another round Wednesday to a broader audience, before finally going public. There after sbobet opens (they don't do much pre-market of their own) and the world follows.

The reason bwin and others seems to be the first is because, by nature, insiders to this operations tend to share data. For example, even though sbobet foregoes pretty much the pre-markets, they know exactly how efficient the markets are getting at the bigger operations. The same for bwin, which at manageable-risk limits opens and 'takes the credit'. bwin will limit you and bwin will kick you out, with such MO is not difficult being the 'first'.

Unlike in the Caribbean where olympic/cris are the dominant originators, in asia the syndicates are really the ones that set the markets, it's something difficult to grasp the notion that the one betting is the one setting the odds but that's how it is and that's how it works. Syndicates dominate South American soccer.

Sharp post

[Tevez]

you mean wrong

[acw]

Originally Posted by durito

--Who originates lines? I'm mostly interested in south american soccer, but in general which book posts lines first or are there several?

They used to be made by a poster called copacabana across the street. Not sure if he is still in action, but he will surely be able to help you out.

[fptlib]

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