[seanl13]

Yes, they pay.

Yes, they also steal.

They openly admit to dealing double lines. This is cheating. If a book is going to characterize you and then change your line based on how you bet, the book is stealing from you.

This is akin to a casino saying - hey you're pretty good at blackjack so we'll pay you 6/5 but you can play craps or go to another casino and play normal odds.

I am boycotting these two books and hope others will as well. Spread the word. These books pay, but dual lines makes them crooks!

[pags11]

I understand people's frustration with bodog...I keep them around to bet dogs late and because they have a kick-ass referral bonus...

[Dark Horse]

A book is free to offer you any line they want. Really.
Just get a few other books, and you won't care a bit.

Bodog offers a 40% referral bonus. That's the key to their success.
Unless players are sharp, there is no reason not to refer them to bodog.
It's as good a starting place as any. Most people bet just for fun.
I would love to know the percentage of bettors that even cares about how much juice they pay.

[natrass]

bet365 have adaptable odds???? is this true??

[tacomax]

They openly admit to dealing double lines. This is cheating. If a book is going to characterize you and then change your line based on how you bet, the book is stealing from you.

No it's not stealing. You can take the odds or not take the odds and you get the same spread but different individual odds. And the fact that they are open about it shows honesty.

With all of the offshore crooks out there, your venom would be a lot better used on some of the real scum of the industry rather than the likes of Bodog.

[imgv94]

Bodog makes 4% on their players and Pinny makes 1.5% on their players,
this is what I heard. bodog is for squares. calvin is a smart business man!

[Mudcat]

They openly admit to dealing double lines. This is cheating. If a book is going to characterize you and then change your line based on how you bet, the book is stealing from you.

I know some people get very upset about this stuff but I just don't see it. I find the "stealing" characterization overly dramatic. Offering you a betting line which you are free to take or leave is not stealing IMO.

Responding to a payout request with, "No we're going to keep your money," is stealing.

I use Bowmans who deal dual lines and it doesn't bother me a bit. I certainly don't feel like I'm being robbed. The juice is still the same. If the line is worse at one end, it's better at the other. They probably cost themselves a bit of action and that's about it.

So there's my feedback to you: don't go to Bowmans.

I wasn't aware that Bet365 did this.

[imgv94]

bet365 is a garbage book in my opinion. I didn't like anything about that
book. I hear alot of complaints in the forum world about them as well.

[Sean]

I am boycotting these two books and hope others will as well. Spread the word. These books pay, but dual lines makes them crooks!

So, does this mean that you'll be removing the links and banner ads for both Bodog and Bet365 from your website? I won't mention the name of your site here in the Main Forum, as the last poster from the same IP address as yours has already attempted to do so.

[onlooker]

So, does this mean that you'll be removing the links and banner ads for both Bodog and Bet365 from your website? I won't mention the name of your site here in the Main Forum, as the last poster from the same IP address as yours has already attempted to do so.

Busted.

[tacomax]

So, does this mean that you'll be removing the links and banner ads for both Bodog and Bet365 from your website? I won't mention the name of your site here in the Main Forum, as the last poster from the same IP address as yours has already attempted to do so.

:0000045:

[imgv94]

Who is he really?

[natrass]

Is it slugger??

[natrass]

Just to say, I think the dual lines business is wrong.

On the one hand, we have the bookies yapping on about bonus abusers, etc and how they respect the honest player and want to reward their loyal players.

And, yet, they are not happy with just having their vig they need to take more if they think they can get away from it.

Isnt operating dual lines just working on the same principles of opening accounts at different bookies to take their bonuses and leave.

In both cases, its a case of getting the maximum out and bollocks to any long term relationship.

I think it is hippocrytical.
.

[tacomax]

I think it is hippocrytical.

[natrass]

Are you saying you cant respect a guy who cant spell a thirteen letter word??

[SBR_John]

Thats why we list each on the SBR Recommended List with either a "P" = Professional or a "R" = Recreational.

Some folks like trucks and some like cars. Same goes with books. The "R" books give better bonuses but they will collar up bunus grinders & arbs(middlers, scalpers, ect.). The "P" books will generally take all comers and therefire can not give as big of bonus but they allow bigger limits and other goodies that professionals appreciate.

[SBR_John]

You have you "P" books
Pinnacle A+ P
CRIS A+ P
The Greek A+ P
Hollywood107 A+ P
FiveDimes A P
WSEX A P
Diamond Int A- P

You have your "R" books
VIP Sports A+ R
BetWWTS A+ R
BetJamaica A+ R
Bet365 A+ R
BoDog A R
Bowmans A R
Skybook A- R

There are currently 7 Professional books and 7 Recreational books. We try to encourage players to read the reviews and choose the book that is right for them. Dont choose Pinnacle if you are a $5 parlay player that likes to withdraw 2-3 times a month. And dont choose VIP if you want to hammer a game for 10 dimes and so on.

[imgv94]

You have you "P" books
Pinnacle A+ P
CRIS A+ P
The Greek A+ P
Hollywood107 A+ P
FiveDimes A P
WSEX A P
Diamond Int A- P

You have your "R" books
VIP Sports A+ R
BetWWTS A+ R
BetJamaica A+ R
Bet365 A+ R
BoDog A R
Bowmans A R
Skybook A- R

There are currently 7 Professional books and 7 Recreational books. We try to encourage players to read the reviews and choose the book that is right for them. Dont choose Pinnacle if you are a $5 parlay player that likes to withdraw 2-3 times a month. And dont choose VIP if you want to hammer a game for 10 dimes and so on.

Great post SBR_John!!! Pretty much everything in a
nutshell right there!!

[aca]

Bet365 A+

D+ for me!

[RickySteve]

You have you "P" books
Pinnacle A+ P
CRIS A+ P
The Greek A+ P
Hollywood107 A+ P
FiveDimes A P
WSEX A P
Diamond Int A- P

You have your "R" books
VIP Sports A+ R
BetWWTS A+ R
BetJamaica A+ R
Bet365 A+ R
BoDog A R
Bowmans A R
Skybook A- R

There are currently 7 Professional books and 7 Recreational books. We try to encourage players to read the reviews and choose the book that is right for them. Dont choose Pinnacle if you are a $5 parlay player that likes to withdraw 2-3 times a month. And dont choose VIP if you want to hammer a game for 10 dimes and so on.

$500 max bets? That isn't professional.

[seanl13]

I will not mention my site name either to keep all happy.

I have contacted Bodog and bet365 about this. I will do he same about Bowmans. Assuming they do not have a great explanation for the dual lines, I will be removing them.

For those who think dual lines are fine, are multiple accounts fine too? I believe if someone is gonna deal you dual lines there is absolutely nothing wrong with dealing them 3 or 4 accounts.

-Sean

[pjesnik24]

how can 5dimes be a book for professionals if you can bet only 100 US$ on Portuegese soccer? Does not sound like a big amount for me and I come from one of the poorest European countries

[Bill Dozer]

I can understand the player being put off by this but it's not unethical. The analogies don't really apply IMO. Almost all books, including those in Vegas, profile players and use that information in some way. It might be the limits we get, the time-out length or the grace period allowed in the betting process.

Recreational players that don't line shop don't want to bet at -120. It messes up how they track their units and prompts them to go elsewhere. The market means nothing to these players who will give up an extra point or two not to change their risk/win amounts. A newbie player is going to be miffed when he puts in plays right before game time and the line keeps changing during confirmation. He doesn't compete with other bettors gobbling up the best odds or use the market odds but it affects his play nonetheless. The books make a lineset that caters to the player because he is a profitable customer even when he is allowed to bet the way he wants.

It's impossible not to shade prices for the guys that use other sportsbooks to decide where they put their bet in. The book has to move with the market to avoid taking lopsided action. A steam player can still beat these lines up, especially with the bonus system, but these are the lines players can choose to accept if they want to keep playing. Bodog doesn't boot a lot of players for being sharp and it's because they can do this.

[Mudcat]

5 Dimes ain't no book for pros. They are definitely in the wrong column there.