One way you can tell if a player is sharp ->

SBR_John · 04-02-06 11:36 AM

..he plays baseball. No seriously think about it. I dont think I ever met a pro that did not play bases. Its by far the easiest and lowest juice sport out there and they play what 400 games?

04-02-06 11:46 AM

They play farmore than 400 games. For the next 6 months, there are 15 games a day, except on Thursdays when they cut it too 8.

People bet on baseball to build up their bankroll for the real sports season starting in September.

BTW: I'm still a better athlete than Babe Ruth.

Mudcat · 04-02-06 11:49 AM

Not everyone who bets baseball is sharp - I have seen some pretty big train wrecks on the MLB capping forums over the years - but I would agree that basically all pros would bet baseball.

presley177 · 04-02-06 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by The Great One

BTW: I'm still a better athlete than Babe Ruth.

I seriously doubt you could hit a water logged baseball 300 feet with a 40+ ounce bat. I'd bet everything I own that you couldn't.

Jay Edgar · 04-02-06 11:55 AM

Agreed.

And there are 2430 regular season games on the schedule.

One tonight, 2429 after that.

(So, I says to myself, no need to rush in before we see what's what)

bigboydan · 04-02-06 11:59 AM

bases is probly the most profitable sport out there according to most people i talk too.

i don't feel you have to even play 400 games a year to turn a perty big profit. your going to maximize your earning units from opening day to roughly the all-star break.

after the all-star break comes around, teams tend to start taking each game a little bit more seriously. you can tell it due to the sharper lines the books put out there. when those lines start getting razor sharpe, i just move on to focusing on my football homework.

SBR_John · 04-02-06 12:01 PM

The sportsbooks will tell you the first two weeks of basball are their most dangerous time of year. Start of baskets is a scary time too. Reason: They can get out capped by even the general public until they have some history to know where to set the lines.

Fishhead · 04-02-06 01:23 PM

Very low hold percentage on bases for the books.

GREAT SPORT FOR SCALPING!!

04-02-06 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by SBR_John

The sportsbooks will tell you the first two weeks of basball are their most dangerous time of year. Start of baskets is a scary time too. Reason: They can get out capped by even the general public until they have some history to know where to set the lines.

There is some merit to that, I just admittedly am not sharp enough to take advantage of it. I just put it in another thread I do better to wait, I can pull up my stuff and see that April is always a bad month for me. In fact unlike Dan I do much better after the break, even do well in September when the rosters get extended and lot of people are out of the race. It's odd, I'm not sure why though I have some opinions on it.

It is true though for those much sharper than I, hit them early and hard if you can, lines will only get tighter. Sort of like NCAA hoops, good cappers can always do well before conference play starts if they are worth their salt. After that the boys are much more able to set tighter lines than they had before conference play began. Ever good capper I have ever known could make hay before conference play started....

04-02-06 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by presley177

I seriously doubt you could hit a water logged baseball 300 feet with a 40+ ounce bat. I'd bet everything I own that you couldn't.

I could if I was facing the same caliber of "athletes" that he was or even faced during that supposed rumor of the dark ages. Come on, look at the guy.

You probably don't even think a minor leaguer of today is better than babe due you. vMaybe if that minor leeaguer got drunk every night, then he might be able to compete with fatty, right?

pags11 · 04-02-06 04:24 PM

I've never really had success with baseball, but that was young in my handicapping career...have trouble watching a lot of the games, and I don't like betting on games I can't watch...that's just me though...

presley177 · 04-02-06 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by The Great One

I could if I was facing the same caliber of "athletes" that he was or even faced during that supposed rumor of the dark ages. Come on, look at the guy.

You probably don't even think a minor leaguer of today is better than babe due you. vMaybe if that minor leeaguer got drunk every night, then he might be able to compete with fatty, right?

look at Cecil Fielder and his son? true fat asses...but you can't put up numbers like they have/will.

It's easy to say athletes would be fast food workers today when you know nothing about the player's ability back then. You should add the "I'm better than Babe Ruth" to your signature. It's a good laugh.

04-02-06 04:59 PM

Yeah and if Cecil Fielder played back in the 1840's when Babe did, his stats would be twice what babe's were.

I say I'm better than Babe because I know I'm more athletic. I'm bigger, faster, and stronger. Not to mention i have seen sports played back in the day. They weren't real. Players didn't exercise. You've already admitted Babe got drunk everyday.

Today, there are camps kids go too, nutrishionist, and all of that. Today if you want to be a MLB player,, you better get going early and go to all the camps whenn you are a kid in Florida, get on some traveling teams and play on a high powered little league allstar team just to have a chance.

Like I said, no doubt I'm a better athlete than Babe Ruth. I'm 6'5" AND 235-240 OF MUSCLE. Single digits bodyfat.

Babe can't compete with that. He'd only beat me in a pie-eating contest or beer chugging event.

SBR_John · 04-02-06 07:09 PM

Being a better athlete doesn’t have much to do with hitting a curve ball. I'm sure that \*\*\*\*\*\* Olympic diver Greg Louganis was a better athlete(pre AIDS of course) than the Babe was too.

Don’t forget, that athletes like Ruth hardly worked out and did not have strength coaches and steroids and nutrition experts and trainers. They mostly drank beer and showed up with hangovers.

04-02-06 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by SBR_John

Being a better athlete doesn’t have much to do with hitting a curve ball. I'm sure that \*\*\*\*\*\* Olympic diver Greg Louganis was a better athlete(pre AIDS of course) than the Babe was too.

Don’t forget, that athletes like Ruth hardly worked out and did not have strength coaches and steroids and nutrition experts and trainers. They mostly drank beer and showed up with hangovers.

Exactly, not a very redeemable quality of someone that is supposed to be a better athlete than me. But, i understand what you are getting at. The problem was the game wasn't competitive back then like it is today.

Think what I could do with a bat in my hands right now aginst those weaklings from the 1800's.

presley177 · 04-02-06 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by The Great One

Think what I could do with a bat in my hands right now aginst those weaklings from the 1800's.

hit .210

stump · 04-02-06 08:40 PM

baseball is a great sport to bet, but Mudcat is right - many players get killed betting heavy favorites, you need to grind it out over the long season. Dogs offer great value especially in April and May

SBR_John · 04-02-06 08:45 PM

Pat, i guess I agree only because I dont follow baseball spring games or NBA preseason. BUT, I think college foots early as in the first week is a big advantage for the player because there is such great scouting via the fan sites. They break down the spring games and sometimes its like shooting fish in a barrel. But by week 2 the edge is greatly reduced.

04-02-06 10:01 PM

I never understood the "shooting fish in a barrell" anaology. I would think that would be hard as the bullet would have to penetrate all of that water and then hit a small creature that will move quickly upon noise.

I would think it might be easier teaching Vince Young to read than shooting a fish in a barrell if that barrell is big and filled with water.

MrX · 04-03-06 02:10 AM

Originally Posted by SBR_John

I'm sure that \*\*\*\*\*\* Olympic diver Greg Louganis was a better athlete(pre AIDS of course) than the Babe was too.

I regret to inform the SBR community that between this quote, and 2/3 of the posts by 'The Great One,' that the SBR Forum is now mathematically eliminated from the Gaming Forum Political-Correctness Award (GFPCA).

My condolences,

-Mr. X

SBR_John · 04-03-06 05:40 PM

I never understood the "shooting fish in a barrell" anaology. I would think that would be hard as the bullet would have to penetrate all of that water and then hit a small creature that will move quickly upon noise.

GreatOne have you even had a bowl of steaming hot Wolf crand chili?? Uh, nevermind that....errr.... shooting fish in a barrell ain't about hitting one of them critters! You fire into a small area and its like fishing with dynamite. You've done that before rite? Everything in that barrell will float to the top,,,hence, shooting fish in a barrell. Maybe tomorrow will go over the "dead cat bounce".

RickySteve · 04-03-06 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by The Great One

Yeah and if Cecil Fielder played back in the 1840's when Babe did, his stats would be twice what babe's were.

I say I'm better than Babe because I know I'm more athletic. I'm bigger, faster, and stronger. Not to mention i have seen sports played back in the day. They weren't real. Players didn't exercise. You've already admitted Babe got drunk everyday.

Today, there are camps kids go too, nutrishionist, and all of that. Today if you want to be a MLB player,, you better get going early and go to all the camps whenn you are a kid in Florida, get on some traveling teams and play on a high powered little league allstar team just to have a chance.

Like I said, no doubt I'm a better athlete than Babe Ruth. I'm 6'5" AND 235-240 OF MUSCLE. Single digits bodyfat.

Babe can't compete with that. He'd only beat me in a pie-eating contest or beer chugging event.

You have serious psychological problems.

himala · 04-03-06 11:59 PM

whoa..

04-04-06 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by RickySteve

You have serious psychological problems.

Why is that? The only way I can make any kind of comparison is to compare and contrast our physical attributes especially compared to each of our current generations.

Or is this like the Vince Young thread, i give 8 points why he and for that matter black, running quarterbacks can't suceed in the NFL backed up by facts and I'm called a racist despite giving facts that sustain my argument.

Tell me, why do i have "serious psychological problems" as you say. You have to give reasons to say something. I've given my reasons for being a better athlete than Babe and why Fumbles McSramble will fall on his face in the NFL. What is yours?

Dark Horse · 04-04-06 12:50 PM

To get back to the title. Billy Walters only plays football and basketball.

Baseball is too much of a grind for me, and I want a few months off a year. As to watchable (even with money on it), this must have been fast in the 1920's and 30's.

Don't listen to me. Enjoy the season everyone!

presley177 · 04-04-06 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by The Great One

Why is that? The only way I can make any kind of comparison is to compare and contrast our physical attributes especially compared to each of our current generations.

Or is this like the Vince Young thread, i give 8 points why he and for that matter black, running quarterbacks can't suceed in the NFL backed up by facts and I'm called a racist despite giving facts that sustain my argument.

Tell me, why do i have "serious psychological problems" as you say. You have to give reasons to say something. I've given my reasons for being a better athlete than Babe and why Fumbles McSramble will fall on his face in the NFL. What is yours?

you keep saying better "athlete" but do you mean better "baseball player" as well? Do you think you could hit better? pitch better?

humor me. : )

04-04-06 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by presley177

you keep saying better "athlete" but do you mean better "baseball player" as well? Do you think you could hit better? pitch better?

humor me. : )

Why is it so humerous?

As far as pitching, I dunno. I'm 29 right now and have had some rotator cuff issues. The same kind if injury that Mark Prior has. Right now, my arm strength is probably the same as alot of those guys from that era. If your asking, could i go on the mound right now and pitch to those guys the way they are back then and get them to wiff everytime and dominate them? NO, I couldn't do that.

Could I stand in the batters box, and face the pitching they did back then, hit the long ball, get base hits, outrun those players for stolen bases, and such, the answer is a definate YES.

Why is it so humoorous and so hard to beleive. The guys from the old age are slow unathletic fat guys. They don't throw as hard back then as a good high schooler. Take a pitcher in the majors today. Just say someone that went 8-15 last year with a 5.23 ERA. if he had the same stuff and pitched back in those days, he'd win 20 games and dominate and everyone would be talking as if he was opne of the best pitchers in history. bUT now know one even knows his name and certainly not as a good pitcher.

Change the sport to football. Look at the 72 Dolphins. Their main offensive weopon was a slow, white, unathletic fullback. That guy would be a 6th round draft pick and be relegated to special teams only if he played now. He's a Hall of famer. Larry Izzo is better than he is and he'll never even be a full time starter. Think if a team played like that these days. I said before the 2005 USC would route that team 63-0. I'm thinking the 2001 De Lasalle HIGH SCHOOL team would beat them also. DJ Williams as a running back vs. slow white fullback. And before someone jumps in and says what does the guys skin color have to do with, you should wake up because obviously it has something to do with it. Does any NRFL team have a white RB, not FB on their roster; what about major Division I college

This is one of the reasons the hall of a Fame is a joke and always will be. As the eras change, people get better and better. The way we are heading, it is hard to imagine, but in the year 2098, someone will probably be on here like me saying you can't compare someone of this era like a Peyton manning to their new guy who i wouldn't be surprised if he could throw the ball 110yards in the air ans people are running 3.6 flat 40's. Tat is the way the game evolved.

Most talk about people like Babe in such high regards probably just because as they were growiing up it did appear as if was the best ever, but as time passes your average athlete is more competitve, bigger, faster, stronger,and healthier.

ASrelates to my quarterback argument above. Who is a great quarterback of the 50's? I dunno as i know its not real. But I've watched tape of the old guys and they have no where near the arm strength of a below average quarterback these days.

Is this that hard to beleive?

How about tennis? This is a little different mainly because of equipment. I lMAO at people playing as recent as the 80's because you can clearly see the ball. Take an average college player these days. He'd be #1 in the world with a 110 MPH kick serve that those guys would have no idea how to handle. But like I said, some of that is specifically related to the equipment that is available.

Let me try to put this assimply as i could. Reggie Bush will be the #1 pick of the draft amd start immediately next year. If he had his exact talent right now and played in the NFL in the 1960's. All you would have to do is call "toss right" and "toss left" every single play and he would flat out outrun every defender and have all these yards and all these records and people would talk about him being the best back ever, Regardless of his success in the NFL, we know he will not be able to do this in todays game but he could have done it back then.

You guys need to look at this and think about it without being brain washed by the media and reminising of your youth thinking these guys were actual superior athletes because they are not, they are flat out jokes. Thats why they made $400 a month.

tacomax · 04-04-06 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by The Great One

This is one of the reasons the hall of a Fame is a joke and always will be. As the eras change, people get better and better.

I think you're missing the point.

I don't think anyone will dispute that a Babe Ruth at his peak wouldn't be as effective in 2006 as he was in his day. And I'm sure that Randy Johnson might actually be an effective pitcher if you shipped him back to the 1920s. Some might say that's the only way he'd be an effective pitcher but that's beside the point.

The point that you've got to look at is how individuals dominate the sport during their specific era. The point is how did Babe Ruth compare to his peers during his era. Was babe Ruth an exceptional player during his era, head and shoulders above the rest? If you answer yes to this question then that is why he is remembered, because he was such a dominant force in the game and was a mile ahead of any other player.

Willie Bee · 04-04-06 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by The Great One

Yeah and if Cecil Fielder played back in the 1840's when Babe did, his stats would be twice what babe's were.

So you're saying that Babe was well into his 70s in 1927 when he socked 60?

You also need to take a closer look at the MLB schedule as far as your statement on Thursday baseball.

04-04-06 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Willie Bee

So you're saying that Babe was well into his 70s in 1927 when he socked 60?

You also need to take a closer look at the MLB schedule as far as your statement on Thursday baseball.

Maybe I gave you too much credit for your intelligence. I think you know damn well what I meant. Maybe replace Thursday for Monday then, how's that? There are well over 2,000 games so that is the bottom line.

Babe drank too much to live into his 70's didn't he? Because remember, that was his secret to being such a great athlete.

04-04-06 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by tacomax

I think you're missing the point.

I don't think anyone will dispute that a Babe Ruth at his peak wouldn't be as effective in 2006 as he was in his day. And I'm sure that Randy Johnson might actually be an effective pitcher if you shipped him back to the 1920s. Some might say that's the only way he'd be an effective pitcher but that's beside the point.

The point that you've got to look at is how individuals dominate the sport during their specific era. The point is how did Babe Ruth compare to his peers during his era. Was babe Ruth an exceptional player during his era, head and shoulders above the rest? If you answer yes to this question then that is why he is remembered, because he was such a dominant force in the game and was a mile ahead of any other player.

I'm not comparing him to players of his era, I'm comparing him to myself, someone who never even smelled professional baseball, but still is an above average athlete today. I'm saying with my present day talent, I could make some noise back then. And so could many other people that are not professional athletes playing today.

04-04-06 05:21 PM

Let me know when you're King of the World. It's clearly imminent.

Dark Horse · 04-04-06 05:43 PM

The wondrous journeys of the Great One; the limitless accomplishments of fantasy on steriods. Beating future WNBA players, outshining baseball players that are long in their graves...

I can hardly wait to see who's next.

Secretariat?

04-04-06 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Horse

The wondrous journeys of the Great One; the limitless accomplishments of fantasy on steriods. Beating future WNBA players, outshining baseball players that are long in their graves...

I can hardly wait to see who's next.

Secretariat?

I know damn good in well I'm faster than some horse that ran in what 1955. Come on.

With todays drugs, there is no way a horse from that generation could take me.

imgv94 · 04-04-06 07:44 PM

One way to tell if a player is a sharp? If he or she posts plays in the
sports and wagers section here or anywhere. If not it really shows
that you are worthless as a capper and you know it, or afraid of the
likely backlash you will get if your teams lose. Hiding your picks shows
weakness. If you dont posts your plays that says alot!!

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