[Thor4140]

I have a few friends and family who have been busted with DUI's. Since i never have been caught i and can drive loaded i was thinking of starting a class on how to drink and drive. I think i can make a killing. Just bring about ten people to a club and get blasted and then show them how to drive under the influence. I see these poor guys losing their license and losing a ton of money to fines among other things. I wonder if there is a clientele out there Crazy what you think?

[flyingillini]

speechless... I don't find this amusing.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Brilliant. Hope you get sued and/or thrown in prison when someone dies.

[AnotherLoan]

Delete this thread, what a fukkin idiot.

[flyingillini]

It takes all kinds I guess... It is people like this that really makes you think how ****ed up some people are.

[Thor4140]

Ah for christ sakes i asked the fellas not Mothers against drunk driving.

[Thor4140]

Originally Posted by MonkeyF0cker

Brilliant. Hope you get sued and/or thrown in prison when someone dies.

The class is to control this type of behavior.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Yeah my friend just got fvcking paralyzed from driving drunk. We used to do it all the time. His brother died about two years beforehand while driving drunk too. Be a fvcking cavalier, genius. Don't think for a fvcking minute that you're impervious to it.

http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/chadtesmer

[moneyline]

While drinking and driving is obviously wrong when the drinking is done to excess, drinking and driving is not illegal in the United States. If it were, there would not be parking lots in front of every bar you see ...

[Doc JS]

Been a doctor for 25 years...I've seen way too many innocent people maimed and killed by drunk drivers. And unfortunately, many times it's not the drunks that get killed. It's the innoncent by-standers. Not funny.

[moneyline]

It would be unfortunate no matter who gets killed, Doc.

[SportsGambler]

Originally Posted by Thor4140

Ah for christ sakes i asked the fellas not Mothers against drunk driving.

You are an idiot and an asshole.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Originally Posted by moneyline

While drinking and driving is obviously wrong when the drinking is done to excess, drinking and driving is not illegal in the United States. If it were, there would not be parking lots in front of every bar you see ...

Re-read the first post in this thread. There's nothing about it that suggests legal intoxication levels. As much as a parking lot might suggest to low-level thinkers that drunken driving is legitimized, ever think it might be within the realm of possibility that it serves as a parking space for employees and designated drivers?

[JBC77]

Originally Posted by Thor4140

Ah for christ sakes i asked the fellas not Mothers against drunk driving.

I thought it was hilarious.

[Thor4140]

i guess my underground hot air balloon rides won't go over well either. By the way i have two friends in wheel chairs from alcohol related accidents. I wasn't gonna start classes i promise.

[Thor4140]

Originally Posted by SportsGambler

You are an idiot and an asshole.

Thanks for the kind words.

[moneyline]

MF, I suspected you would respond and just like that. I never mentioned drunken driving. I spoke of drinking and driving. I realize you have no idea that there is a difference, but there is, legally.

If you think the parking lots in front of bars are there mainly for employees and designated drivers, well, that is one heck of an interesting point of view.

When we conduct voir dire, one of the first questions we ask prospective jurors is whether or not they think it is illegal to drink and drive. For those who do, we explain (along with the judge) that they are wrong and that is not the law in the state of Florida.

MF, don't just open your (written) mouth for the sake of doing it. Understand what you are writing about first. I implore you.

[reno cool]

I think its a great idea. Drunk driving is a lot of fun when properly done. You simply must pay attention and know if your too drunk to drive. Ways to avoid the fuzz is always helpful. But these ****s will pull you over for anything and once they do your probably screwed.

[Doc JS]

Originally Posted by moneyline

It would be unfortunate no matter who gets killed, Doc.

well...moneyline, we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one. My feeling is if you get behind the wheel of a car and drive while impaired, you pretty much get what you deserve not unlike the Darwin Award winners. Just less idiots mucking up the gene pool.

Now, if you're an innocent by-stander and a drunk moron T-bones you and kills you...that is much more unfortunate, IMO.

The poor innocent by-stander did nothing. The drunk, OTHO, did. For me, it's not the same. Not even close...

Doc

[MonkeyF0cker]

Originally Posted by moneyline

MF, I suspected you would respond and just like that. I never mentioned drunken driving. I spoke of drinking and driving. I realize you have no idea that there is a difference, but there is, legally.

If you think the parking lots in front of bars are there mainly for employees and designated drivers, well, that is one heck of an interesting point of view.

When we conduct voir dire, one of the first questions we ask prospective jurors is whether or not they think it is illegal to drink and drive. For those who do, we explain (along with the judge) that they are wrong and that is not the law in the state of Florida.

MF, don't just open your (written) mouth for the sake of doing it. Understand what you are writing about first. I implore you.

Wow. Your comprehension skills are awful, moneyline. Notice that I said: Re-read the first post in this thread. There's nothing about it that suggests legal intoxication levels. At no point in this thread were we entertaining the idea of responsible alcohol consumption. And yes, I realize that there are acceptable BAC levels. Thanks for the contribution, Captain Obvious.

[moneyline]

Doc, it is not that clear cut. First of all, all lives are equal and nobody, whether or not they have done something wrong, deserves to die as a result.

Furthermore, when you paint your canvas with such broad strokes, you are treating the individual who has three beers and is at a .081 with the individual who drinks half a bottle of vodka and is at .210 ... they are both legally drunk drivers who should be punished for breaking the law. Their situations are distinctly different from a moral perspective, however, unless you are a fan of bright line condemnation.

MF: try not to regress and get so child-like in your responses ... if you want to roll in the mud, you'll roll alone this time. And the drinking and driving example is far from obvious (perhaps not to smart guys like you). At least 5-7 jurors a trial do not understand there is a distinction.

Also, just because the thread spoke about one specific thing to begin, it doesn't mean it can't morph into different directions within the primary theme of drinking and driving. Unless, of course it offends your sensibilities to do so...

[Thor4140]

Originally Posted by reno cool

I think its a great idea. Drunk driving is a lot of fun when properly done. You simply must pay attention and know if your too drunk to drive. Ways to avoid the fuzz is always helpful. But these ****s will pull you over for anything and once they do your probably screwed.

Reno one of the reasons i started this thread was because this shit is starting to be a big rmoney making racket with the cops in my area. Setting up check points all over the place and the limit is at .08 or possible .06 which is pretty low. Another thing, and im far from being racist, but everyone i talk to says they are going after white collar type of drinkers and you rarely see a black person in the court room for a DUI because the cops won't take the risk to stop them because they are a bunch of pussies and know a white collar guy will pay the fines. Its turning into a huge scam. Had a friend just get pulled over with an .08. He had to get a lawyer 1500, fines and other bullshit. Yeah he shouldn't have been driving but hell you can't even stop after work for a few beers without a cop lingering around the corner waiting to pounce on you. Cops make me sic sometimes. Then you have the court rooms getting there piece of the action. Judges gets paid. Its an easy way for these people to make a lot of money.

[jtuck]

I dont think you're serious but if you are then you are an idiot. If its a joke then you need to work on your sense of humor.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Originally Posted by moneyline

Doc, it is not that clear cut. First of all, all lives are equal and nobody, whether or not they have done something wrong, deserves to die as a result.

Furthermore, when you paint your canvas with such broad strokes, you are treating the individual who has three beers and is at a .081 with the individual who drinks half a bottle of vodka and is at .210 ... they are both legally drunk drivers who should be punished for breaking the law. Their situations are distinctly different, unless you are a fan of bright line condemnation.

MF: try not to regress and get so child-like in your responses ... if you want to roll in the mud, you'll roll alone this time. And the drinking and driving example is far from obvious (perhaps not to smart guys like you). At least 5-7 jurors a trial do not understand their is a distinction.

Also, just because the thread spoke about one specific thing to begin, it doesn't mean it can't morph into different directions within the primary theme of drinking and driving. Unless, of course it offends your sensibilities to do so...

Can you not read, moneyline? Unbelievable. Doc was talking about two people, one of which was above the legal limit who killed someone that had NOTHING to drink. So if someone is .081 and kills someone, they are less at fault than someone in the same scenario who is .210? That's such a ridiculous notion.

[moneyline]

DUI prosecution is a cash cow for the state and the courts. That is for sure. The investigatory skills of many of the officers doing the work are shoddy to the point of embarrassing ... and anybody who has any familiarity with roadside tasks knows they are certainly not dispositive of someone's impairment (although they are used like the Holy Grail by law enforcement) ...

MF, from a legal perspective they both will be punished by the courts -- but even the courts make a distinction between the two scenarios ... if you are above a .15, it is an enhanced DUI, more stringently punished by the courts than someone who blows a .081. That's legally.

Morally, if you treat both individuals as the worst criminals imaginable, look in the mirror and at your friends and at your neighbors ... not all of them have driven at .20, but rest assured virtually all of them have had an extra beer at dinner and driven at .080 ... Doc thinks they both deserve to die, if that's what happens to them, in a crash ... I disagree.

You?

[SportsGambler]

Originally Posted by Thor4140

Thanks for the kind words.

Thor, I apologize. I don't know you but the subject matter got the better of me.

[pico]

i remember saw a tv show about an old guy want to teach people how to get little boys in cambodia without getting busted. so there is a market, go for it.

[Cloak & Dagger]

something to think about


I can smoke blunts and still drive straight....and talk to a cop with some eye drops....gum....etc

but when that alcohol hits ya....no food...no fresh air...NOTHING is going to help you come down off that high

10 blunts Im still kool....10 shots of alcohol and you might be dead

yet you can go buy 94769048750358 shots at your local supermarket or corner store...as long as you buy it before 2:00am and as long as you pay a little extra so uncle sam can get a % off your purchase

im in california....we are like our own country...under a oz of weed is just a ticket

yet in some states you would get thrown on the ground..tased..and bit by the police dog for a piece of a joint

I'll never leave california...its another world here...if online gambling ever got legalized in the US it would happen here FIRST...believe that

marijuana will always be "illegal" and alcohol will always be "legal"

some people use that to justify their alcoholism...defending alcohol because the government said its "legal"

mostly all the deaths on the road due to DUI accidents....are from drunk drivers

if all those drivers just smoked a "illegal" joint instead of 10 "legal" shots at the bar....IMO....they might still be here

[Thor4140]

Originally Posted by SportsGambler

Thor, I apologize. I don't know you but the subject matter got the better of me.

Sport no problem it was in bad taste.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Originally Posted by moneyline

DUI prosecution is a cash cow for the state and the courts. That is for sure. The investigatory skills of many of the officers doing the work are shoddy to the point of embarrassing ... and anybody who has any familiarity with roadside tasks knows they are certainly not dispositive of someone's impairment (although they are used like the Holy Grail by law enforcement) ...

MF, from a legal perspective they both will be punished by the courts -- but even the courts make a distinction between the two scenarios ... if you are above a .15, it is an enhanced DUI, more stringently punished by the courts than someone who blows a .081. That's legally.

Morally, if you treat both individuals as the worst criminals imaginable, look in the mirror and at your friends and at your neighbors ... not all of them have driven at .20, but rest assured virtually all of them have had an extra beer at dinner and driven at .080 ... Doc thinks they both deserve to die, if that's what happens to them, in a crash ... I disagree.

You?

Enhanced DUI charges are state-dependent. Not all states have the distinction. And I'm not certain that they should. There are plenty of methods of responsible travel (designated driver, cab, bus, subway, etc.) while intoxicated. And while I don't think anyone deserves to die, if someone is impaired and kills someone else it is certainly unfortunate as Doc said, especially when it could have been avoided.

[Doc JS]

Originally Posted by moneyline

Doc, it is not that clear cut.

As I said before, we're just going to have to agree to disagree. You are 100% wrong. It's that clear cut for ME! But I do understand why we're on different sides of the issue. I'm the one who has to go tell the parents of the 16 year old kid who got killed by the drunk driver that their kid is dead and you're trying to convince the jury that the drunk driver who did the killing is really a pillar of the community and there but for the grace of God go us all. So, you don't want it to be clear cut...but it is.

Originally Posted by moneyline

First of all, all lives are equal and nobody, whether or not they have done something wrong, deserves to die as a result.

Wrong, again. When you get behind the wheel of a car and drive while impaired (legally drunk), YOU GET WHAT YOU DESERVE! I have ZERO tolerance, and ZERO ****ING SYMPATHY for drunk drivers who kill themselves. The world is a better place. Now, that doesn't mean that I don't have sympathy for the loved ones they leave behind.

Originally Posted by moneyline

Furthermore, when you paint your canvas with such broad strokes, you are treating the individual who has three beers and is at a .081 with the individual who drinks half a bottle of vodka and is at .210 ... they are both legally drunk drivers who should be punished for breaking the law. Their situations are distinctly different from a moral perspective, however, unless you are a fan of bright line condemnation.

Gotta give you credit, you're batting 1.000 tonight! Wrong, again!!! IF BOTH OF THOSE DRIVERS ARE INVOLVED IN ACCIDENTS WHERE SOMEONE IS KILLED THERE IS NO ****ING DIFFERENCE AT ALL!!!!!
Doc

[reno cool]

Drinking is big business. Huge. I like drinking.

But they really get you. First we have to drink to keep from losing our minds from monotonous jobs, lives, relationships whatever.

then you hurt your health and have to buy the stuff.

finally they fine or lock you up for "misbehaving" --driving or whatever.

It seems that they expect us to tow a very fine line.

I mean the dont expect that. They want us to drop dead or end up in the system.

[NEP Dynasty]

Originally Posted by JBC77

I thought it was hilarious.

You have further cemented your position as SBR's resident retard.

[moneyline]

Doc,

You are very black and white in your thinking. You'd make a fine Republican!

I am glad most judges and jurors disagree with you, as far as I've seen with the 20-25 jury trials I've had involving drunk driving where there has been injury -- true, I have not had one involving a death -- and the majority of prosecutors in our county disagree with you as well.

Watch out, doc. Make sure your wife, children and friends don't have two glasses of wine with dinner and drive. They may become the vile invidivuals who deserve to die that you hate so much

[Doc JS]

Originally Posted by moneyline

as far as I've seen with the 20-25 jury trials I've had involving drunk driving where there has been injury -- true, I have not had one involving a death.

Well...let me suggest that you spend a little quality time down at the local ER on Friday/Saturday night and see first hand the devastation your clients cause. Maybe it'll change your opinion of them.

Originally Posted by moneyline

Watch out, doc. Make sure your wife, children and friends don't have two glasses of wine with dinner and drive. They may become the vile invidivuals who deserve to die that you hate so much

I thank you for your concern. I don't drink and neither does my wife, but my 24 year old son does and I'm sure this will paint me out to be a Neanderthral to you...

My son attended and graduated from The Citadel - The Military College of the South. A school known for it's drinking. They sell t-shirts in Charleston that say: The Citadel - A drinking school with a military problem! My son was on the baseball team. A group of individuals who excell at drinking. I have told my son that:
1. they should always have a designated driver when they go out drinking.
2. I will come and get him any time any where of the day or night if he's had too much to drink (and I have, BTW). He's called at two-three AM and I've gone and gotten him.

But if he gets arrested DUI, do not waste your one phone call on me because I'm not coming to bail your ass out of jail. And I wouldn't either...

Doc