[pavyracer]

It's the worst bunch of losers assembled for 300 million dollars. They have the same talent and production as the Royals with a 30 million payroll.

[pat venditto]

They need to trade cano and minor leaguers for some pitching

[JDizzel]

totally ..who wouldn't ... they are spending ALL that money and playing like monkeys

Is just a matter of time before heads start to roll ..

[element1286]

Nah, just need to realize they aren't going to win every year. Need to get their young pitchers in line. This is the year to let the young guys pitch and take their lumps. They do need to start turning the roster over. Let guys like Damon, Giambi, Abreu, Mussina, and Pettitte walk.

[bigboydan]

Originally Posted by pavyracer

It's the worst bunch of losers assembled for 300 million dollars. They have the same talent and production as the Royals with a 30 million payroll.

I totally concur sir

[Jacey]

Not enough youth is killing this team........forget pitching, the lineup can't score anyway

[Junkyard Dog]

hope not, i love fading them

[ryanXL977]

who out there wants any crap the yanks have? they have old overpaid crap
they can hit but they cant field or pitch

no value anywhere on the team besides joba

[SBR_John]

Originally Posted by pavyracer

It's the worst bunch of losers assembled for 300 million dollars. They have the same talent and production as the Royals with a 30 million payroll.

Should they dismantle the team? no. Lets see where they are in October. That could change to a Yes.

I do agree they are grossly over paid. Its a collection of superstars who give about 75%.

[PureGuava]

lets see how they are after the season ends, imo they are nothing like the yankees of the late 90's. If yankees make the playoffs and Arod dosen't come through I think they should trade him for a few good young players.

[ryanXL977]

they wont make the loffs
unless they get 2 sps

[Brady2Moss]

I hope they keep the same roster, the general public is soo stupid and continues to pound the yankees and Im making a killing fading them, its unreal how much juice these overpaid, steroid addicts get...

[Doc JS]

Originally Posted by PureGuava

imo they are nothing like the yankees of the late 90's.

The Yankees of the late 90's could pitch the heck out of it. That is simply not the case anymore...

[jjgold]

Too many older overrated players Like Jeter, Giambi, Abraeu

[LT Profits]

All of this said, Yankees +113 at home is hard to pass up Friday.

[pavyracer]

If someone still thinks the Yankees will make the playoffs is dreaming in lala land. They play in a tough division. They always split or lose the division series so how are they going to gain ground? The still have to play against Tigers, Twins and Whitesox which have better rosters. I've just finished crunching the numbers and the Yankees are roasted.

When I said dismantle I meant put everyone that underperforms on waivers, don't even seek a trade for Giambi, Damon, Mussina and all the other losers they have on their roster right now. Let the other teams pick them up for free and mess up their rosters instead.

[The Prick]

how many games out was they at the break last year?

[fifawcs]

Originally Posted by pavyracer

If someone still thinks the Yankees will make the playoffs is dreaming in lala land. They play in a tough division. They always split or lose the division series so how are they going to gain ground? The still have to play against Tigers, Twins and Whitesox which have better rosters. I've just finished crunching the numbers and the Yankees are roasted.

When I said dismantle I meant put everyone that underperforms on waivers, don't even seek a trade for Giambi, Damon, Mussina and all the other losers they have on their roster right now. Let the other teams pick them up for free and mess up their rosters instead.

I've been following the Yankees since 1996. They always make the playoffs. It's just the way it is. 1997 was an exception. People say what you are saying every year they fall behind. In this case, they are still above .500, which is a good sign. Their second half is always way better than their first. Look up past years to confirm what i am saying. They are an older team, and it takes them longer to get into their groove. But they eventually do find the groove after the All Star Break. The Rays are very young and are hot now because it is early. They will soon burn out.

[pavyracer]

Originally Posted by fifawcs

I've been following the Yankees since 1996. They always make the playoffs. It's just the way it is. 1997 was an exception. People say what you are saying every year they fall behind. In this case, they are still above .500, which is a good sign. Their second half is always way better than their first. Look up past years to confirm what i am saying. They are an older team, and it takes them longer to get into their groove. But they eventually do find the groove after the All Star Break. The Rays are very young and are hot now because it is early. They will soon burn out.

I have looked very closely on their schedule. In the month of July they do not play any team with a losing record. They are in danger of falling more than 10 games behind Tampa Bay by beginning of August. Then in August it gets worse. They only play one team with a losing record, the Royals which they lost twice this year. In September, they only play Seattle as the only team with a losing record. They just can't move up in the division by playing Boston, Tampa Bay multiple times till the end of the year. The numbers just don't add up on them making the playoffs.

[treece]

Originally Posted by pavyracer

If someone still thinks the Yankees will make the playoffs is dreaming in lala land.

This was said last year when the Red Sox had that big lead. Yankees always come around its just the way it is. Someone always yells at them to wake them up like yesterday when Girardi had that closed door "discussion". They show up today you can bank on that.

[element1286]

Originally Posted by fifawcs

I've been following the Yankees since 1996. They always make the playoffs. It's just the way it is. 1997 was an exception. People say what you are saying every year they fall behind. In this case, they are still above .500, which is a good sign. Their second half is always way better than their first. Look up past years to confirm what i am saying. They are an older team, and it takes them longer to get into their groove. But they eventually do find the groove after the All Star Break. The Rays are very young and are hot now because it is early. They will soon burn out.

I don't buy that argument. This team is worse than last year. Buys like Ponson and Rasner are just holding on when pitching. And Pettitte and Mussina aren't top of the rotation guys. Chamberlain is still a young pitcher, and I wouldn't be surprised if he hits some obstacles along the way. Plus their only top of the rotation guy is out until September.

The whole team is one year older, and is very injury prone.

[LT Profits]

I disagree with you here Pavy, I think the Yankees will win the wild card...and then lose in the first round just like last year.

[element1286]

Originally Posted by LT Profits

I disagree with you here Pavy, I think the Yankees will win the wild card...and then lose in the first round just like last year.

Just curious LT, why do you believe this? I hope it is not the "they always do this" argument.

[pavyracer]

Originally Posted by treece

This was said last year when the Red Sox had that big lead. Yankees always come around its just the way it is. Someone always yells at them to wake them up like yesterday when Girardi had that closed door "discussion". They show up today you can bank on that.

There was no Tampa Bay in the mix last year. And there was also a proven ace pitcher in Wang. These are two elements that you can't discount this year. Toronto and Baltimore will chew games away from Yankees. Everyone loves to beat the lion when they are wounded.

[fifawcs]

There have been years that the Yankees were trailing the Blue Jays and Red Sox. True, the Rays are better than the Jays. But the Yanks have also been in Wild Card races before, so another rival is old news to them. It's funny that everyone is regarding the Rays with so much respect. Are they really that good? I don't think so. People are saying that are going to make the playoffs for sure. But what have they proven? Any baseball fan knows that certain teams will completely change secodn half of the season. Some examples from last season:

Brewers: Leading the NL Central last year, did not make the playoffs.
Rockies: Were playing like crap first half, made the wild card and eventually reached the world series.
Mets: Had a lead over the NL East, ended up forfeiting that lead and didn't make the playoffs.
A's: Looked like they were in contention for the AL West, but ended up fading away.
Mariners: Were in contention for the wild card, but faded away in September.
Tigers: Were in contention for AL Central and Wild Card, faded away in september.

And of course, there were the Yankees. So don't write them off.

[element1286]

Originally Posted by fifawcs

There have been years that the Yankees were trailing the Blue Jays and Red Sox. True, the Rays are better than the Jays. But the Yanks have also been in Wild Card races before, so another rival is old news to them. It's funny that everyone is regarding the Rays with so much respect. Are they really that good? I don't think so. People are saying that are going to make the playoffs for sure. But what have they proven? Any baseball fan knows that certain teams will completely change secodn half of the season. Some examples from last season:

Brewers: Leading the NL Central last year, did not make the playoffs.
Rockies: Were playing like crap first half, made the wild card and eventually reached the world series.
Mets: Had a lead over the NL East, ended up forfeiting that lead and didn't make the playoffs.
A's: Looked like they were in contention for the AL West, but ended up fading away.
Mariners: Were in contention for the wild card, but faded away in September.
Tigers: Were in contention for AL Central and Wild Card, faded away in september.

And of course, there were the Yankees. So don't write them off.

I am not completely sold on the Rays, but as long as they have that starting pitching, and there is no reason to think it will fall apart, they are going to be alright. Their lineup is ok, but does lack a decent right handed bat, but their bullpen is legit, especially if their starters are going 6-7 every night. Experience is overrated, talent is what wins you games.

[LT Profits]

Originally Posted by element1286

Just curious LT, why do you believe this? I hope it is not the "they always do this" argument.

It actually it has more to do with the competition. When the Yankees play at their best, they could simply outslug all of the other contenders with the possible exception of Detroit. I just don't think any of the contenders have good ENOUGH pitching to keep Yankee bats in check consistently.

The Yanks and Tigers are about equal offensively (good), starting pitching (awful) and long relief (bad). The tiebreaker though is Mariano over Todd Jones.

[ryanXL977]

lt, i would say the yanks are still the best offense in baseball. until someone outscores them over a year, there is nobody who works counts like damon and abreau and giambi. but the yanks have ZERO pitching, ZERO pen. so the only way then win is by getting 6 runs a game, not a good formula.
the rays are legit, their pitchiing is legit. everybody there is doing what they should be doing, no over achievers there

[so-classy#23]

The Yankees are such a joke...honestly I'd rather talk about the Rays instead..Get off the damn Yankees if they make it its because the MLB wants them in there. Honestly to keep it interesting they will stay in the hunt like always and try and win the division (which doesn't mean anything anyway) or sneak in as a wild card. I hope the Rays can hold everyone off and get into the playoffs instead of having to watch the same old garbage of over the hill names in their mid thirties because they can afford to have a high payroll every season. Pretty pathetic if you ask me and I would take younger players and a lower payroll over an extravagant payroll and "experienced" players. Keep it rolling Rays and Marlins

[so-classy#23]

hey ryan do you like the twins to win tonite with Livan Hernandez throwing? I ask because I see your quote below and your from the bay area and I am as well...

[ryanXL977]

i like the twins to win every home game, even those started by livan
that team is legit, people will see sooner or later

[LT Profits]

so-classy,

Oh I love this Rays team, but I just think they are a year away from doing serious damage. Plus they still have to prove they can beat top conteners on the road, which I think will be their downfall in the second half. I think the Red Sox will win the division safely and the Yankees will sneak in for the wild card virtually by default.

[flyingillini]

Originally Posted by LT Profits

so-classy,

Oh I love this Rays team, but I just think they are a year away from doing serious damage. Plus they still have to prove they can beat top conteners on the road, which I think will be their downfall in the second half. I think the Red Sox will win the division safely and the Yankees will sneak in for the wild card virtually by default.

I agree but it wouldn't surprise me if they make a serious run.

[element1286]

Originally Posted by LT Profits

It actually it has more to do with the competition. When the Yankees play at their best, they could simply outslug all of the other contenders with the possible exception of Detroit. I just don't think any of the contenders have good ENOUGH pitching to keep Yankee bats in check consistently.

The Yanks and Tigers are about equal offensively (good), starting pitching (awful) and long relief (bad). The tiebreaker though is Mariano over Todd Jones.

Fair enough, I definitely don't disagree with what you are saying.

[ryanXL977]

i dont see how the yanks dismantle the team
who is going to take on these salaries?