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06-17-08 11:56 AM

and remember where you heard it.. i've seen this type of behavior a lot in my lifetime offshore and each one of these books eventually ran with the players money, and it will happen here.

I dont care if they only take 100$ bets or 100000$ bets.. this book is a scam and is run by a bunch of amateurs/shot takers..

get ready to lose your money in that book when they stiff. how can anyone in their right minds play with such an amateur book like this.. their lines are so off, that it's obvious they are just gambling and taking shots..

the other day, they had NYY -136.. when the general line was NYY -163.. what a freakin joke. good luck playing with this book.. i dont think i have ever seen a line this off in my life.. this line is bordering around a bad line, meaning, most books would void this bet if you bet it at -136 and it won.

this happens frequently over there.

and good luck when they stiff you, AND THEY WILL EVENTUALLY... and remember where you heard this..

this book is laughing at you all and just taking shots. I dont care if they've paid you each time so far, but their time will come when they will stiff you, mark my words.

fiveteamer · 06-17-08 11:57 AM

crazyl won't like this thread one bit, sir.

rake922 · 06-17-08 11:59 AM

Nicky Santauro WHAT ARE THE TOP 5 BOOKS FOR U.S GUYS

SBR Lou · 06-17-08 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by fiveteamer

crazyl won't like this thread one bit, sir.

Everyone is entitled to their beliefs. Facts sometimes don't play a part in them. I would rather play at CW than any D rated book on SBR, because D rated books will sometimes not pay or slowpay. CW has debit cards and pays each week on the same day, whats the problem?

compaqDikk · 06-17-08 12:04 PM

just like HYIP panchi schemes. they pay you at first and gain your trust and your credit limit goes to money heaven along with the funds you had in there

did anyone contacts mr. adams? man i'd give my left arm to meet his employer. what a fukkin tool

06-17-08 12:05 PM

The ladies love my super stiff!

compaqDikk · 06-17-08 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by crazyl

Everyone is entitled to their beliefs. Facts sometimes don't play a part in them. I would rather play at CW than any D rated book on SBR, because D rated books will sometimes not pay or slowpay. CW has debit cards and pays each week on the same day, whats the problem?

look what happened to ICC card at intertops. frozen.

ICC Card at intertops goes kaput

SBR Lou · 06-17-08 12:06 PM

As far as their lines being off sometimes, there's a reason for that. If Pinnacle had $100 limits, they'd have freedom to angle action on sides they want it on. Nobody is going to get burned booking $100 bets.

For instance they hung Celtics +120 knowing hardly anyone would bet it, and gave a great price on Lakers knowing everyone would bet it. They made out great there, and it's just one example of them making the right decision and inducing action on the side they want it on. When they are wrong, their limits aren't bankrupting them believe me.

06-17-08 12:08 PM

Nicky

just when I thought you were cool...

06-17-08 12:09 PM

they aint going anywhere soon , they are building a solid paying client base for football. look for big changes there before football. i still stand by what i said about their euro 2008 line

06-17-08 12:13 PM

crazyl, you're a good kid.. but you can't f-ck around with lines and have opinions on games.. when a line is -135, you better have your line close to that or you will go broke, just like the 300 bookies who decided to open up shop and do that and all went broke, and couldn't pay.. DON'T PLAY WITH THE LINE.. they do that alot. and if it's only 100 bucks, who cares. it adds up. if 30 people play it, they are now booking 3,000 dollars in bets for a game that's off by 10-25 cents. have you any idea how dangerous that is.

bring in any offshore book here to comment on this behaviour and they will tell you the same thing.. no way they make money doing this. THIS BOOK WILL WALK AWAY WITH YOUR MONEY EVENTUALLY.

And you can take that to the bank.

raker, my 5 safest books are

pinny, wsex, matchy, oly.. and cris..

no other books are safe IMO.. but i hate cris, and dont play with them because they lied to me and took back the 1% after they promised me i'd get it for life if i send that deposit.

06-17-08 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by Nicky Santauro

raker, my 5 safest books are

pinny, wsex, matchy, oly.. and cris..

No betjam

compaqDikk · 06-17-08 12:16 PM

hard for new books to emerge. it's all about longetivity

06-17-08 12:18 PM

Nicky look at it like this, I owed them a dime last week and paid, had they closed up shop/stiffed every1 I would've just kept the dime. CW is a unique book in that if they close up shop half the ppl will actually make money that week. They are creating a pool of paying clients and weeding out the stiffs, when football season rolls around they will be a standard bookie for a group of guys that pays whenever they lose.

Sinister Cat · 06-17-08 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by Francis Sollozzo

No betjam

betjamaica = olympic, no?

06-17-08 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by bettilimbroke999

Nicky look at it like this, I owed them a dime last week and paid, had they closed up shop/stiffed every1 I would've just kept the dime. CW is a unique book in that if they close up shop half the ppl will actually make money that week. They are creating a pool of paying clients and weeding out the stiffs, when football season rolls around they will be a standard bookie for a group of guys that pays whenever they lose.

betty, not necessarily, these scam books will collect from the losers, stroke the winners a few days till they get paid, and then run..

betty, alot of kids on this site who play at CW don't understand gambling.. but i want some of the big boys to come in here and comment on this and you'll see they agree with me. how can you make money booking bets at 15-20 cents off the price and expect to make money.

help me make these kids understand bigger boys here at SBR.. do you agree with me that books cannot make money while putting up opinionated lines that are off by 15-20 cents.

how come SBR John won't give his thumbs up to this place. has anyone asked SBR John on his opinion.. SBR John or Billy Dozer, am i right, or what?

tell these kids, they don't understand.. they will learn the hard way.

im not being mean here, i'm just trying to help them by not losing their hard earned money.

Panic · 06-17-08 12:24 PM

If these guys can make it to football season, they might have a shot.

06-17-08 12:30 PM

I'm not a big fan of Betty

. Thing is they have your payout on the card the next day, Wednesday is process day, Thurs its on your card, if they string ppl along it will be almost instant that there are a flood of posts on SBR claiming payout probs with CW, this is the most talked about book on SBR

06-17-08 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by Sinister Cat

betjamaica = olympic, no?

probably so , but Nicky did list "wsex, matchy"

SBR Lou · 06-17-08 12:31 PM

Nicky they are not 20 cents off "every line". On occasion they'll take an opinion, and usually they are right, ie Lakers -120 for series. They knew the wrong team was favored, like most sharper gamblers did.

Another thing, as for the MLB, they offer 20 cent lines bro, limits aren't through the roof even for post up clients. They are not going to be raked over the coals either way, as Betlil said, all they want is to establish a good, paying customer base. So far, they haven't skipped a beat with the DC payments.

Sinister Cat · 06-17-08 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by Francis Sollozzo

probably so , but Nicky did list "wsex, matchy"

got it

jjgold · 06-17-08 12:35 PM

Only supporters of CW are broke bums that have no money to post up.

06-17-08 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by jjgold

Only supporters of CW are broke bums that have no money to post up.

Shouldn't you be their biggest tout then

Sinister Cat · 06-17-08 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by Sinister Cat

I'm just saying, they are literally the same company right? No need to list them both?

I get what you were saying now, sorry.

SBR Lou · 06-17-08 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by jjgold

Only supporters of CW are broke bums that have no money to post up.

Broke bums end up on the super stiff page.

People that prefer having a credit out, and enjoy getting paid once a week by DC on the same day support this book. Wouldn't you support a place thats paid you any time you were up, and has had friendly customer service?

jjgold · 06-17-08 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by bettilimbroke999

Shouldn't you be their biggest tout then?

I do not bet Son

Panic · 06-17-08 12:39 PM

Agree with JJ, but I have been suprised with some of the people that have come out in support of this book.

06-17-08 12:44 PM

okay crazyl, maybe i was a little too rough on them.. i just went to their site and saw today's lines, and it wasn't really that bad.. here is why..

they had like 3 games that were way way off in bases today, but i can see why they are doing this now.. they were the 3 biggest teams, like the redsox, cubs and i think the NYY, i forget. this is actually ok because if their action caters to little kids who are squares who like their favs, then this is a good way to do business.

but if they have sharps who will jump on other side, they are in trouble. but i have a feeling that their customers will still bet the jacked up 30 cents more on the Cubs..

i can see now why they move their lines up on some major teams.. i guess the only explanation is that they have only squares betting into them, and they have a 20 cent line..

maybe they won't disappear as fast, seeing they have kids playing into them and not professionals. but if they had sharps there betting the other side, they'd be gone.. but then again, they only take 100 a game and no way sharps would waste their time betting 100 a game, even if their line was 80 cents off.

06-17-08 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by crazyl

Broke bums end up on the super stiff page.

People that prefer having a credit out, and enjoy getting paid once a week by DC on the same day support this book. Wouldn't you support a place thats paid you any time you were up, and has had friendly customer service?

Well said, truth is they could close up tomorrow I don't know what their financial situation is. But the amount you are going to be stiffed for is very limited and would only be winnings that week anyway and you could very easily save money if they went under, how many books can you say that about. Truth is they are doing what local bookies have done for a hundred years prolly more and that's issue a small line of credit with small limits to just about anyone who signs up, most local bookies around here will give any degenerate drunk that walks into the bar some credit to bet with and they seem to be making a profit. They deal in 20 cent lines if they are off 15-20 cents on a couple of lines then it is just a break even bet for them with small limits, so who cares.

SBR Lou · 06-17-08 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Panic

Agree with JJ, but I have been suprised with some of the people that have come out in support of this book.

I am not saying they'll last the next 20 years. I don't have a crystal ball, but from playing there since February, speaking to their different guys on live chat just asking various questions when I first started playing there, and ultimately getting paid and seeing my friends get paid, I trust them.

fiveteamer · 06-17-08 12:49 PM

cw debates are a lot like the israeli vs. arab debates.

Panic · 06-17-08 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by crazyl

I am not saying they'll last the next 20 years. I don't have a crystal ball, but from playing there since February, speaking to their different guys on live chat just asking various questions when I first started playing there, and ultimately getting paid and seeing my friends get paid, I trust them.

I know you've backed these guys since day one, and when i see you still in support of them, and I think I saw IWin start backing them, and just the other day I saw LT Profits back ing them. Makes me think the book may be taking a run at it....trying to last. I value you all of you guy's opinions, that's why I'm kinda suprised at that. They must be doing something right.

picantel · 06-17-08 01:09 PM

CW is suppose to open a Europe office by NFL season. That would add alot of legitimacy.

LT Profits · 06-17-08 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by Nicky Santauro

but then again, they only take 100 a game and no way sharps would waste their time betting 100 a game, even if their line was 80 cents off.

Voila!

If they had higher limits, I would probably play there.

SBR Lou · 06-17-08 01:20 PM

LT, you could post up there for higher limits. Max credit line is 6k, $500 a pop. etc

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