[flyingillini]

Originally Posted by The HG

Please forgive my ignorance, I'm not a drug guy, although some aspects of my life do naturally parallel those of the crackhead - but isn't an "8-ball" not a lot? Isn't it like, let's say you want to party for a night, and maybe you have a friend or two who will be hanging around with you, you might score an 8-ball? Is that not accurate? Can you get seriously busted just for the amount it would take for a guy and a friend or two to party it up?

An 8 ball is nada.... A true snow skier can dust that off in a night of partying.

[frostno98]

The Defense Lawyer will need something reasonable to defend for you to have a chance. It will hinge on many things, Like did the police had probable cause to stop you to do a legal search and seizure, or did the officer had enough articulable facts to have reasonable suspicion and preform a pat down. Or was it personal usage, if this is the case then history with you doing drug will look back at thoroughly to determine if you fit the profile of a typical street druggie.

How the Officers obtain the evidence is absolutely paramount as to how your going to be defended. Now, since your bail is only 2k it appears your charges are going to be on the minor side. If your bail's around 10k and up then your is usually more serious, hence higher fee's because of higher chances of being a flight risk.

If you get a Lawyer there's a good chance he can work something out with DA and work some kind of plea bargain out. Six month to 1 year in Jail, and the rest on probation seems more likely, if their case is very strong and convict able by a jury.

[CrazyLou]

Originally Posted by flyingillini

An 8 ball is nada.... A true snow skier can dust that off in a night of partying.

Agree but for a guy casually partying with one other friend, way too much unless they are experienced.

[Bet Shooter]

Originally Posted by flyingillini

An 8 ball is nada.... A true snow skier can dust that off in a night of partying.

First I will post my standard sarcasim and then I will seriously deal with the problem:

It sounds like both you and Illini are indoor mogul champions!


OK, on to the solution:


Will follow up with another post.

[BigOrangeTitans]

my lawyer isnt going to be able to make court tomorrow. He's fired...

Gonna crack the yellowpages and the web to find one. Should I plead Not guilty or ?

[fsfalcons]

not guilty yall got to feel me

[CrazyLou]

Originally Posted by BigOrangeTitans

my lawyer isnt going to be able to make court tomorrow. He's fired...

Gonna crack the yellowpages and the web to find one. Should I plead Not guilty or ?

DO NOT under any circumstances plead guilty, without giving exact legal advice all I can say is they will obviously use that against you no matter what they say- especially if you don't have any legal representation with you.

If a deal of some sort is reached then I would assume your lawyer would get it in writing, and then maybe you could just have one of those "No-Contest" type deals with a fine, counseling, and court ordered whatever etc.

[Bet Shooter]

Pure Carnage and Frost have the best advice in the thread. Follow everything they say here. Solid advice.

Someone asked about what state you live in. That is important. If I remember correctly it's Washington (not DC). If not, please come clean. This will help with what to do.

NEXT....Big questions here....How was the sustance in question packaged? Intent to sell is hard to prove unless the packaging can prove itself. Also BIG question #2: Was it ROCK? I don't mean the nice wafer like pile you wack of the OZ or the shit they re-rock in the ghetto to look like they wacked it off the OZ. I mean the table dice you cook with baking soda kinda rock. If that is what you got nailed with and it's packaged to sell, you are gonna have a tough road ahead of you.

Next....AND PLEASE DON'T KILL THE MESSENGER HERE....Are you a Caucasion man? I think you are, but that can have a real affect. Case and point: 8 ball of powder in one package with a white kid...do not pass go, do not collect $200. 8 ball of rock packaged to sell in gel caps and you are anything but white? State time, and you hope thunder dick doesn't run out of grape jelly. The only way you get out of that one is if you are some Senators kid type of shit.

Another question: Was this a routine traffic stop? For what? Also, how did the dog get involved? Was this the original cop ( with the dog) for this traffic stop? If not, how did the dog arrive? Last for now.....because there is about 1000 other things.....is there a video tape in the car of the original traffic stop? And what did you say to him? Any field sobriety test? I could go on for hours....but if you can give me a clear and accurate picture of what happend, I may be able to help you.

Either way....GOOD LUCK.....and I mean that from the bottom of my heart.

[Deuce]

Felony

[Bet Shooter]

Originally Posted by BigOrangeTitans

my lawyer isnt going to be able to make court tomorrow. He's fired...

Gonna crack the yellowpages and the web to find one. Should I plead Not guilty or ?

If you have no representation....then you won't have to plead. Tell them that. They will postpone.

[CrazyLou]

Good post Shooter, I'd assume it'd be in rocky form since it's presumably not chopped or broken up yet for usage. Probably just one or two really fat rocks, I would imagine. Unless he was doing some on the road then it may have been already broken down for easy usage.

[Bet Shooter]

Originally Posted by Deuce

Felony

Only if he is convicted.

[TeamPlayer]

Bush is a cokehead, maybe he can help

[Deuce]

It's OJ's fault.

[Bet Shooter]

Originally Posted by crazyl

Good post Shooter, I'd assume it'd be in rocky form since it's presumably not chopped or broken up yet for usage. Probably just one or two really fat rocks, I would imagine. Unless he was doing some on the road then it may have been already broken down for easy usage.

True..but I need to hear it from him.....we both know on the east coast, this is common knowledge.

For Christ Sake, I keep my bondsman on retainer! That's the guy I need the most. Any asshole can show up for court and bill me.

[Bet Shooter]

BOT....I know you don't know me from Adam.....but don't go silent on me now. If you want to PM me the answers to my last post, go ahead. I am just sorry I missed this thread last night. I guess I didn't look deep enough into the posts.


I can at least help you a little (or alot ) depending on your situation. I AM NOT A COP OR ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT INDIVIDUAL! I am just someone who has tried to help those on our side of the gray areas in life. It's better than flying blind.

[The HG]

Originally Posted by flyingillini

An 8 ball is nada.... A true snow skier can dust that off in a night of partying.

Damn, so you mean EVERYONE who parties with coke, and gets an 8-ball or two for them and their friends to fukk around with for an evening, is risking 1-5 plus probation plus lawyer fees plus etc etc etc, if a cop sees them and busts them?

That seems hard to believe. I mean so many people do coke like that all over the place, all the time. You never hear of anyone doing it recreationally and then getting busted and facing this kind of situation. Something's not adding up.

[CrazyLou]

Originally Posted by The HG

Damn, so you mean EVERYONE who parties with coke, and gets an 8-ball or two for them and their friends to fukk around with for an evening, is risking 1-5 plus probation plus lawyer fees plus etc etc etc, if a cop sees them and busts them?

That seems hard to believe. I mean so many people do coke like that all over the place, all the time. You never hear of anyone doing it recreationally and then getting busted and facing this kind of situation. Something's not adding up.

It depends on each states laws I'd say, I know they are very very strict on the amount of crack you can be busted with before they hit you up for additional penalties. With coke, I think you're able to carry a bit more, and as Shooter says the packaging, how they find it etc all matters.

Obviously if you're caught getting high with 2 buddies, it probably doesn't fall under the same 'sentencing guidelines' as some random guy whose driving in his car with a fat ass rock with him. Most dealers don't drive with a ton of crap on them. An 8ball is about 3.5 grams, that is way more than 2 social coke users need for an evening. For experienced users, it doesn't last as long (of course).

[flyingillini]

If I choose to indulge I do it at home. Either by myself or with friends. I live by the beach within walking distance. No cops ever.. I would never be out and about with the yayo... it is not worth the risk if you get caught. I have to much to lose to be dealing with court, cops and a charge... privacy of own home to go skiing.

[Bet Shooter]

Originally Posted by The HG

Damn, so you mean EVERYONE who parties with coke, and gets an 8-ball or two for them and their friends to fukk around with for an evening, is risking 1-5 plus probation plus lawyer fees plus etc etc etc, if a cop sees them and busts them?

That seems hard to believe. I mean so many people do coke like that all over the place, all the time. You never hear of anyone doing it recreationally and then getting busted and facing this kind of situation. Something's not adding up.

If you have rock, and you are black, and in the wrong neighborhood? You are f***ed.

If you and Buffy are partying on the Upper Eastside of Manhattan in the local bathroom stall WITHOUT a flame, then they will take your pile and send you home. Yatzee for the cop! If you give him shit coke, he'll come back next week and bust you then.....

[CrazyLou]

Originally Posted by Bet Shooter

If you have rock, and you are black, and in the wrong neighborhood? You are f***ed.

If you and Buffy are partying on the Upper Eastside of Manhattan in the local bathroom stall WITHOUT a flame, then they will take your pile and send you home. Yatzee for the cop! If you give him shit coke, he'll come back next week and bust you then.....

I was actually going to mention that but didn't want to be pegged as racist. I've never been busted with coke on me, but I'm sure most of us have been busted with pot at some point or another and been let go or told to just throw it away etc.

Most officers won't be a dick if you're just some "good kids" out having a fun time.. I was actually pulled over in the Bronx, 4 white girls, and myself. They asked WTF we were doing in that neighborhood, shined light in our eyes, and think they understood we were just partying and let us go without searching the car..

[Bet Shooter]

Two points here.....Illini you got yayo? Then your'e OK OH....RockO.....NO WAY OH.


Lou (I think, if not sorry) Minute point here....IT's EXACTLY 3.5 grams......not about.

[Bet Shooter]

Originally Posted by crazyl

I was actually going to mention that but didn't want to be pegged as racist. I've never been busted with coke on me, but I'm sure most of us have been busted with pot at some point or another and been let go or told to just throw it away etc.

Most officers won't be a dick if you're just some "good kids" out having a fun time.. I was actually pulled over in the Bronx, 4 white girls, and myself. They asked WTF we were doing in that neighborhood, shined light in our eyes, and think they understood we were just partying and let us go without searching the car..

Yes....that's why I prefaced the statement with 'don't kill the messenger'. I don't make the rules....if I did, we would have a lot more fun here. How about neteller back for up to 9900 a wack? That would be nice.....no?

[The HG]

Is the aspect of race really that stark? I have zero experience with the criminal justice system, I've never even served on a jury.

In BOT's case, does his race actually make a difference in how much trouble he is in?

[Bet Shooter]

Originally Posted by The HG

Is the aspect of race really that stark? I have zero experience with the criminal justice system, I've never even served on a jury.

In BOT's case, does his race actually make a difference in how much trouble he is in?

Only with coke vs crack....it's so F***ed up. Both races can have weed and get similar treatment in the system. Once the white stuff is introduced? All bets are off.

[CrazyLou]

Yeah I'd say it depends on the judge now if it gets that far, depending what the lawyer is able to work out. Hopefully he can avoid doing time for this.

[Bet Shooter]

Genesis tonight (No Reply at all, for those that are too young)


Going to sleep BOT.....PM me or post here. If not, I will let it drop.

Good Luck.

Night Lou

[CrazyLou]

Night

[BigOrangeTitans]

Someone asked about what state you live in. That is important. If I remember correctly it's Washington (not DC). If not, please come clean. This will help with what to do.

I do live in Washington State, seattle area.

NEXT....Big questions here....How was the sustance in question packaged? Intent to sell is hard to prove unless the packaging can prove itself. Also BIG question #2: Was it ROCK? I don't mean the nice wafer like pile you wack of the OZ or the shit they re-rock in the ghetto to look like they wacked it off the OZ. I mean the table dice you cook with baking soda kinda rock. If that is what you got nailed with and it's packaged to sell, you are gonna have a tough road ahead of you.

Two bags, each had a rock with a little powder. This was blow.

Next....AND PLEASE DON'T KILL THE MESSENGER HERE....Are you a Caucasion man? I think you are, but that can have a real affect. Case and point: 8 ball of powder in one package with a white kid...do not pass go, do not collect $200. 8 ball of rock packaged to sell in gel caps and you are anything but white? State time, and you hope thunder dick doesn't run out of grape jelly. The only way you get out of that one is if you are some Senators kid type of shit.

I am a Caucasian male.

Another question: Was this a routine traffic stop? For what? Also, how did the dog get involved? Was this the original cop ( with the dog) for this traffic stop? If not, how did the dog arrive? Last for now.....because there is about 1000 other things.....is there a video tape in the car of the original traffic stop? And what did you say to him? Any field sobriety test? I could go on for hours....but if you can give me a clear and accurate picture of what happend, I may be able to help you.

K-9 unit pulled me over. Going 32 in a 25. Got that citation as well. Officer came to window, talked to me for a few, then got me out and said it smelt like pot. He asked to search for marijuana and i said sure(no pot on me). The dog found the yayo in a spot i hid my shit. I didnt recieve a field sobriety test. There was a camera, no sound though.



Thanks man, I can choose not to plead until i have council?

[frostno98]

For a mere traffic citation a cop cannot search you unless he has Probable Cause or Reasonable Suspicion. Probable cause was obtain once the k-9 picked up the scent, hence allowing him to arrest you. He did manage to get reasonable suspicion first, based on the scent of suspected marijuana odor in your car. This would at least be enough to allow him to pat you down, but not search the car unless you consent to it.

What you have here is a cop smelled or thought he smelled marijuana. It's a K-9 unit, so more than likely he's going to be very experienced and specially trained in the narcotic area. Whoever your new Lawyer will be, he will probably be challenging the credibility of this Officer, and that he didn't make up that smelled based on a mere hunch that allow him to do a search on you.

[pokernut9999]

Tell them it was your little brothers coke.

[robzilla]

1. get a boat
2. find a destination... mexico or somewhere.
3. stay there.

[jjgold]

Plead guilty and get probation, no way around it

[BigOrangeTitans]

Off to court.

Wish me luck.

[CrazyLou]

Originally Posted by BigOrangeTitans

Off to court.

Wish me luck.

Hope it goes okay..