[mofome]

[bettilimbroke999]

Me likey

[ryanXL977]

reds cant win road games though
dont forget

[pokernut9999]

I need 1 winner to advance and that may be my pick.

[ryanXL977]

oh, not a bad pick, thats for sure

[SlickFazzer]

To date betting against Myers has been easy Money.

[MadCapper]

Myers was solid last start.

Hmmmm

[SlickFazzer]

Originally Posted by MadCapper

Myers was solid last start.

Hmmmm

Is he "turning the corner".....

[ryanXL977]

he aint this bad!

[Ln2Blaze]

I'll take my Reds!!

[MadCapper]

Myers is better than he has pitched.

Volquez isnt 1.35 era good.

[rjt721]

Volquez takes the crown as the most overvalued pitcher in baseball.

[onlooker]

It looks like I will be on the Reds again on Wednesday.

[SHAWN GOTTI]

u da man mo

[mofome]

Originally Posted by rjt721

Volquez takes the crown as the most overvalued pitcher in baseball.

clearly, that is not the case.

[mofome]

Originally Posted by SHAWN GOTTI

u da man mo

Gotti, you see me teach gold how to play hoops. he doesn't know how city guys play ball. hes from Finland.

[rjt721]

Originally Posted by mofome

clearly, that is not the case.

Going forward it will be. He's not sustaining this pace. The league will adjust and his command will prevent him from duplicating the success he's had to this point.

[mofome]

Originally Posted by rjt721

Going forward it will be. He's not sustaining this pace. The league will adjust and his command will prevent him from duplicating the success he's had to this point.

he doesnt need to 'duplicate' what he's done to remain one of the best pitchers in the league. clearly he wont end the season with an era under 2.00, but it may be under 3.00 and he may be a cy young contender.

[Clueless_Norway]

I don't like betting against Myers (maby cause im a Phillies fan, but I think he got good stuff on his good day), but it looks like I get a $1551.18 today if the Cards hold on to win (up 6-1 now) and I still have fate in my Cubs/Angels parlay (Angels lead 5-0, Cubs down 0-2, runners on 2nd and 3rd with 1 out in 4th) so I might take the Reds at that price on Volquez.
It's worth a shot

[rjt721]

Originally Posted by mofome

he doesnt need to 'duplicate' what he's done to remain one of the best pitchers in the league. clearly he wont end the season with an era under 2.00, but it may be under 3.00 and he may be a cy young contender.

I'm anticipating a pretty significant drop off in his performance. He has plenty of factors working against him -- the first is his inability to consistently throw strikes, but half his starts are in a terrible pitcher's park (not good for a guy who's been mostly a flyball pitcher during his time in the minors), and he's already doubled his previous career high for IPs at the big league level. Also doesn't help that he's working with a poor bullpen and pitching for a manager that has a terrible track record with handling young pitchers. Not saying he's going to pitch terribly from here on out, but as the market continues to adjust to his great start, it's going to be difficult for him to turn a +ROI from this point on.

[mofome]

Originally Posted by rjt721

I'm anticipating a pretty significant drop off in his performance. He has plenty of factors working against him -- the first is his inability to consistently throw strikes, but half his starts are in a terrible pitcher's park (not good for a guy who's been mostly a flyball pitcher during his time in the minors), and he's already doubled his previous career high for IPs at the big league level. Also doesn't help that he's working with a poor bullpen and pitching for a manager that has a terrible track record with handling young pitchers. Not saying he's going to pitch terribly from here on out, but as the market continues to adjust to his great start, it's going to be difficult for him to turn a +ROI from this point on.

People will have to be able to touch him in order to hurt him. his arm my wear down, thats tough to predict, but his k/9 ratio is absurd and his BAA is unbelievable. Also, even when guys do make contact, his LD% against is 3rd in all of baseball. he made a joke of AAA last year and he seems to be maturing at the age of 24.

[2Pac]

Originally Posted by rjt721

I'm anticipating a pretty significant drop off in his performance. He has plenty of factors working against him -- the first is his inability to consistently throw strikes, but half his starts are in a terrible pitcher's park (not good for a guy who's been mostly a flyball pitcher during his time in the minors), and he's already doubled his previous career high for IPs at the big league level. Also doesn't help that he's working with a poor bullpen and pitching for a manager that has a terrible track record with handling young pitchers. Not saying he's going to pitch terribly from here on out, but as the market continues to adjust to his great start, it's going to be difficult for him to turn a +ROI from this point on.

For a flyball pitcher, he sure is good at keeping it in the park.

The guy is the next Pedro Martinez. His changeup is SICK.

Currently, he's the best pitcher in baseball.

[mofome]

Originally Posted by 2Pac

For a flyball pitcher, he sure is good at keeping it in the park.

The guy is the next Pedro Martinez. His changeup is SICK.

Currently, he's the best pitcher in baseball.

hes actually been one of the better GB pitchers in baseball this season. 54% of the batted balls against him have been grounders.

[ChuteBoxe]

I need to see the line movement on this one. It's too close of a game to pick from my numbers, so unless I see something seriously wrong with the movement, or I get a tip from CR, I'm staying away.

[rjt721]

Originally Posted by mofome

hes actually been one of the better GB pitchers in baseball this season. 54% of the batted balls against him have been grounders.

The opposite was true for much of his minor league career.

All I'm saying is that I think the time to regularly back Volquez has come and gone. As for tomorrow's game, I don't have much of an opinion and it's not a game I'm interested in playing.

Good luck.

[mofome]

Originally Posted by rjt721

The opposite was true for much of his minor league career.

All I'm saying is that I think the time to regularly back Volquez has come and gone. As for tomorrow's game, I don't have much of an opinion and it's not a game I'm interested in playing.

Good luck.

well, hes never really been a big fly ball pitcher in any of his stints in the bigs. its always nice when we can get a real baseball discussion going.

bol to u as well.

[LT Profits]

I like the Phillies here for a lot of reasons.

Yes, they are Bullpen System play.

They are hottest team in the National League and you are getting cheap price on them at home (just like last night).

Myers will only get better as year goes on, and he went eight innings with 11 strikeouts last start.

And yes, Volquez IS overvalued because he is being priced like a 3-time Cy Young winner based on only two good months.

[potsie]

I like the first 5 inning line of Cincy -103 The Reds' bullpen is pretty shaky and Philly has the lowest bullpen ERA in the Majors...take it first 5.

[fifawcs]

The Reds offense has been great since Bruce showed up. The Phillies won 3-2 yesterday with Eaton on the mound, who is one of their better pitchers. Do you really think Myers will be able to contain the Reds offense like he did the Marlins' last week? Let's be honest, the Marlins have been playing well but they have no proven offense besides Uggla and Ramirez. The Reds have a lot of guys who can get hits, Freel, Dunn, Griffey, Bruce just to name a few. Yeah the phillies have a great offense too, but they got shut down by Volquez in his first start earning only 1 run in 5.1 innings against him.

[LT Profits]

Myers is a lot better than Eaton fifawcs, and he is just now starting to peak.

[ryanXL977]

myers is good. volquez has 8 weeks of track record and the phils may have the best offense in the majors, they are at home, against a reds team that doesnt win on the road

why in gods name would i not take philly?

[potsie]

Originally Posted by ryanXL977

myers is good. volquez has 8 weeks of track record and the phils may have the best offense in the majors, they are at home, against a reds team that doesnt win on the road

why in gods name would i not take philly?

Because the Phils are a mere 4-8 in Myers starts...cuz his ERA is close to 6...cuz Volquez has been dominant. Take the first 5 innings Cincy because Philly definitely has the better pen.

[ryanXL977]

myers is due to have a nice run
his era wont end at 5.8
it shold end at 4.5
volquez is the opposite, due to come down
happens every yr
people seem to forget

chipper wont hit 400
volquez wont have a sub 3 era

[fifawcs]

Cincy's pen isn't as bad as all of you think it is. A 3.88 ERA isn't the worst in the world, it can certainly get through a couple of innings. Also, they have Cordero as their closer. He is pretty dominant.

[ryanXL977]

cincys pen isnt bad, it is ok

but phls is better
thats all i am saying


i will fade micah owings, cliff lee, any starter who i know had an unreal 2 months. they arent this good