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  1. 05-18-08 01:27 AM #1
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    Default what is the best american horse ever

    Seattle Slew
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  2. 05-18-08 01:36 AM #2
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    i know slew did it and did undefeated it so he's the ez choice

    But if you watch this clip of Secretariat then I you see why he is my choice. When theres isnt another horse in the video for a fews seconds thats ****in nuts.

    Best RACE EVER.

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  3. 05-18-08 01:50 AM #3
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    Either Secretariat or Man o' War (20/21 stakes races is incredible), coinflip
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  4. 05-18-08 02:00 AM #4
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    Secretariat
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  5. 05-18-08 04:16 AM #5
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    Why is this question even being asked?

    Secretariat - and its undisputed by anyone I've ever heard speak.

    HE IS MOVING LIKE A TREMENDOUS MACHINE!
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  6. 05-18-08 04:34 AM #6
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    Actually most of the horse racing community believes Secretariat to be 2nd behind Man o' War as the best American thoroughbred, check out the top 100 US horse throroughbred list compiled by a panel of distinguished horseracing experts for Bloodhorse magazine:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood-H...e_20th_Century

    Man o' War had many similar accomplishments to Secretariat, although refusing to enter the 1920 Kentucky Derby there is absolutely no doubt he would've won that race, he won 20 of the 21 stakes races he competed in and as his career wound down in late 1920 there were no horse owners that would even compete against this monster horse (his 2nd and final season of 1920 was 11 races undefeated), he competed in a match race with the Triple Crown winner of 1919 Sir Barton and won easily by 7 lengths even though being rode lightly in the final furlong due to his tremendous lead. He was easily the greatest sire of all and many times more impressive than Secretariat as he produced more than 64 stakes winners and 200 various other champions, numerous great horses have ties to Man o' Wars bloodlines. It is very difficult to decide between this horse and Secretariat, but it is quite wrong to quickly assume that Secretariat was superior to Man o' War, it would simply depend on personal opinion which is the better horse, though most horse racing experts would choose Man o' War given not only his personal accomplishments but the incredible accomplishments of his offspring.
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  7. 05-18-08 05:08 AM #7
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    If you want to expand it to great North American horses, and include sires as well, then the no. 1 sire in the 20th century, siring no fewer than 146 stakes winning horses, (whose offspring have earned more than one billion dollars) is the Canadian horse Northern Dancer, who raced in the mid-60's, and won the North American eclipse award for best 3 year old in 1964. His descendants have won more Breeder's Cup races and Arc de Triomph's than anyone elses.

    Needless to say, he is the great-grand sire of Big Brown.
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    NOT EVEN CLOSE! You guys are forgetting Dan Patch. He was never defeated, and nobody would race against him. He traveled in his own railroad boxcar just to set new track records at every stop he made. Up to 100,000 people would come out just to watch him. In the day Ty Cobb was the highest paid sports player at 12,000 a year, Dan Patch was raking in over a million a year in endorsements.
    When you think of breaking world records by a fraction of a second...Dan Patch broke the world record by four full seconds and held it for decades. No horse matches his accomplishments.
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  9. 05-18-08 10:52 AM #9
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    Definately Secretariat... Secretariat, as a young colt, was told by vets he would never be able to race due to his weak legs... Then look at him!
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    Plus Secretariat won the Belmont by 40 Lengths...
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  11. 05-18-08 11:01 AM #11
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    If you are talking north america because the horse was Canadian,it's Northern Dancer.He cam close to winning the triple crown in 1964 winning the Kentiucky Derby and Preakness.His life record was 14 wins in 18 races.But his breeding legacy is what sets him apart from the others.Almost every stakes race has a number of his prodigy running.His bloodlines run throughout world racing.

    Sory for repeating your post Art Vandaleigh.I saw you said the same.

    I used to go to a minor league track in Winnipeg,Manitoba.Canada called Assiniboia Downs and you would see alot of Northern Dancers prodigy.I liked a horse called Northern Spike that I never failed to make money on.That horse helped me out financially a ton so I always have a fondness for Northern Dancer.
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  12. 05-18-08 11:03 AM #12
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    As far as bloodlines are concerned i Agree on Northern Dancer...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrentCrude View Post
    If you are talking north america because the horse was Canadian,it's Northern Dancer.He cam close to winning the triple crown in 1964 winning the Kentiucky Derby and Preakness.His life record was 14 wins in 18 races.But his breeding legacy is what sets him apart from the others.Almost every stakes race has a number of his prodigy running.His bloodlines run throughout world racing.

    Sory for repeating your post Art Vandaleigh.I saw you said the same.

    I used to go to a minor league track in Winnipeg,Manitoba.Canada called Assiniboia Downs and you would see alot of Northern Dancers prodigy.I liked a horse called Northern Spike that I never failed to make money on.That horse helped me out financially a ton so I always have a fondness for Northern Dancer.

    northern dancer = archie manning
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  14. 05-18-08 11:07 AM #14
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    Every horse you've mentioned has been beaten. Dan Patch was argueably the most famous personality in the entire world at the turn of the century. He was definitely as famous as the President of the United States. Can you say that for any other horse?
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    Still... Secretariat takes the cake...
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    How does Secratariat take the cake over the most famous undefeated horse of all time?
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    Zippy Chippy

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  19. 05-18-08 11:13 AM #19
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    Because Secretariat Was a Beast... Look at all his triple crown races...
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    Hell! Look at the fact that Dan Patch was so dominant he couldn't get anyone to race against him!
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    Dude... Secretariat was better... face it
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    Do you even know who Dan Patch was?
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    I do... but heres my point... If hes "so good" nobody wanted to race him, that kinda makes him unable to make too strong of a name for himself... you have to race to have a legacy... how can you measure a horses success when he didnt race the bets of the best of his time?
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    Barbaro is think was an awesome horse, but unfortunately we will never be able to SAY he was the greatest horse around since Affirmed and Slew because he didnt live long enough to prove anything to anyone...
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    my vote goes for John Henry
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  26. 05-18-08 11:29 AM #26
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    Man O War
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  27. 05-18-08 11:31 AM #27
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    Dan Patch did race the best of the best and could beat them by 15 to 20 lengths. He was the most famous personality in the world. What else could he have accomplished?
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    Well Secretariat won the Belmont by 40 Lengths

    His nickname was "Superhorse".. He is the best of the best..
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    No small feat...but he wasn't undfeated
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    Trigger and Silver are my two favorites.
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    I admit Dan Patch was a great horse... But the best horses are judged by triple crowns... Thats the real challenge..
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    Quote Originally Posted by bettilimbroke999 View Post
    Either Secretariat or Man o' War (20/21 stakes races is incredible), coinflip
    Did you know the one race Man O' War lost was against a horse named "Upset"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sportsgirl View Post
    Did you know the one race Man O' War lost was against a horse named "Upset"?
    did you know a horse named "Lock" was scratched that race....that is the only reason Upset won.
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    I consider Man O War the best. Secretariat was great when he brought his A game, but many forget he lost as a heavy favorite two or three times with no visable excuse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pirate View Post
    Do you even know who Dan Patch was?
    Tough to ask this question 11 minutes after proclaiming him the "most famous undefeated horse of all time".
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