[Walther Whalker]

This issue was previously mentioned in this thread: BetJamaica changes its line when I try to bet it (every time)

I have experienced the same thing over the past few months. After I submit the wager and before I confirm the wager, I am notified in red text that a line has changed. The line has NEVER changed in my favor, it is ALWAYS a line move in the book's favor.

I spoke to Managers at the A+ sportsbook today. They told me that this is how ASI software works and there is no way to notify a player of a line move in favor of the PLAYER. The player is only notified of a line move if it is in the bookmaker's favor. I made it clear that I have no problem with line moves, so long as the line does not ALWAYS move in the book's favor.

The A+ sportsbook informed me that I am a "Platinum" player and that I am a "big loser." I am not a big winner or big loser, imo, and at least 50% of my plays are parlays. My average bet is somewhere around $100.

Which other books use ASI software? Do you experience the same thing (line moves ALWAYS in book's favor) at these sportsbooks?

[Justin7]

That surprises me. Pinny uses a derivitive of ASI, but they rewrote most of it. I often see the line move on me, but it occasionally gets better.

I too have seen that at Oly - I have never had a line get better, but often see it get worse. That is an issue we'll have to think about.

[2Pac]

Originally Posted by Walther Whalker

This issue was previously mentioned in this thread: BetJamaica changes its line when I try to bet it (every time)

I have experienced the same thing over the past few months. After I submit the wager and before I confirm the wager, I am notified in red text that a line has changed. The line has NEVER changed in my favor, it is ALWAYS a line move in the book's favor.

I spoke to Managers at the A+ sportsbook today. They told me that this is how ASI software works and there is no way to notify a player of a line move in favor of the PLAYER. The player is only notified of a line move if it is in the bookmaker's favor. I made it clear that I have no problem with line moves, so long as the line does not ALWAYS move in the book's favor.

The A+ sportsbook informed me that I am a "Platinum" player and that I am a "big loser." I am not a big winner or big loser, imo, and at least 50% of my plays are parlays. My average bet is somewhere around $100.

Which other books use ASI software? Do you experience the same thing (line moves ALWAYS in book's favor) at these sportsbooks?

That's why they consider you a big loser.

[SSLP]

Pinny has a version of ASI so far beyonds everyone elses it doesnt even look like ASI anymore

IF 50% OF YOUR PLAYS ARE PARLAYS

THEN YOUR SQUARE.. not a loser

[Bill Dozer]

Interesting topic. If it is the case it's probably very hard to notice since the player has to bet a line moving against him. A lot of players that bet during line changes are either betting moving numbers or get a set amount of time to confirm the bet they chose.

[DrunkenLullaby]

Sounds like a freeroll for Bet Jam to me.

[tomcowley]

You're willing to make the bet, they're willing to take it. I'm pretty sure this happened to me today at BetJam though- I saw the line move 1c for me while I was on delay, but the bet went through anyway.

[CrazyLou]

Originally Posted by Walther Whalker

The A+ sportsbook informed me that I am a "Platinum" player and that I am a "big loser." I am not a big winner or big loser, imo, and at least 50% of my plays are parlays. My average bet is somewhere around $100.

Which other books use ASI software? Do you experience the same thing (line moves ALWAYS in book's favor) at these sportsbooks?

You sure..?

[Doug]

That's like having -111 lines.

[LMAOFISH]

Use The Greek then, lines sometimes move in my favor. Once you have them locked in though, they never move for those 60 seconds.

[Walther Whalker]

Guys, both Managers at Bet Jamaica (Scotty and Herman) openly admitted to the fact that the player will NEVER benefit from a line move...they blamed this circumstance on their ASI Software. That is a bush league excuse, imo.

Bill, it was ultimately not difficult to notice due to the fact that the lines moved in the book's favor 100% of the time, roughly 15 times in a row during the past few months.

[Richkas]

Originally Posted by Walther Whalker

This issue was previously mentioned in this thread: BetJamaica changes its line when I try to bet it (every time)

I have experienced the same thing over the past few months. After I submit the wager and before I confirm the wager, I am notified in red text that a line has changed. The line has NEVER changed in my favor, it is ALWAYS a line move in the book's favor.

I spoke to Managers at the A+ sportsbook today. They told me that this is how ASI software works and there is no way to notify a player of a line move in favor of the PLAYER. The player is only notified of a line move if it is in the bookmaker's favor. I made it clear that I have no problem with line moves, so long as the line does not ALWAYS move in the book's favor.

The A+ sportsbook informed me that I am a "Platinum" player and that I am a "big loser." I am not a big winner or big loser, imo, and at least 50% of my plays are parlays. My average bet is somewhere around $100.

Which other books use ASI software? Do you experience the same thing (line moves ALWAYS in book's favor) at these sportsbooks?

People love this book and Scotty. But they are the biggest crooks of them all. Spiro might pay, but he still is a phucking crook. BJ and Oly's days are numbered.

[Walther Whalker]

Originally Posted by Justin7

That surprises me. Pinny uses a derivitive of ASI, but they rewrote most of it. I often see the line move on me, but it occasionally gets better.

I too have seen that at Oly - I have never had a line get better, but often see it get worse. That is an issue we'll have to think about.

Well, hopefully we can all learn more about this issue.

Here is the complaint that I lodged with SBR:

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Re: Customer Service/Other

Between the time that I submit a wager and confirm a wager, I have been notified on MANY occasions that a line change has occurred. Only recently have I learned that these line changes will ALWAYS be in favor of the sportsbook, NEVER in favor of the player. It took me a long time to realize that a line change will NEVER be in favor of the player. This circumstance is concocted by Bet Jamaica, it is not a facet of honorable bookmaking.

I spoke to Herman yesterday. He was unable or unwilling to tell me how many times Bet Jamaica has changed the lines between the time that I submit and confirm my wagers. My estimate is that this has happened 15 times or more during the past 3 months, ALWAYS a line change in favor of the sportsbook.

Until yesterday, Bet Jamaica led me to believe that line changes would sometimes occur in my favor. Even yesterday, Scotty temporarily took the position that a player sometimes benefits from line changes. By the end of our conversation, he admitted that Bet Jamaica will only notify the player of a line change when the line has moved in the sportsbook's favor. Scotty and Herman both asserted that ASI software is to blame for Bet Jamaica's policy. I find it very difficult to believe that the software lacks a preference that updates ALL line changes, including those in favor of the player. My understanding is that top sportsbooks had a heavy hand in developing the very software that Bet Jamaica blames. Blaming the software that BJ chooses is a meager excuse for BJ's policy.

What I am requesting: (1) I would like to know how many times Bet Jamaica has changed the lines in its favor and on which wagers, since February 2008. (2) I would also like to confirm Bet Jamaica's position that ASI software is allegedly responsible for Bet Jamaica's policy whereby the player NEVER benefits from a line move between the submit and confirm stages. I am not requesting reimbursement of any sort.

I apologize for publicizing this issue. As we are aware, this issue has been reported by other players, and it appears to be peculiar to Bet Jamaica. My experience in customer service suggests that good customers will give me honest feedback. As you strive to be the best, you should be aware that this policy creates an impression that you are being dishonest and short sighted. Dishonest because, initially, Bet Jam was not forthcoming about the fact that line moves are only made in favor of the sportsbook. Short sighted because at the end of the day, assuming that I am a "big loser" as Herman informed me, you are losing money in the long run.

Have a nice day, thanks.
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[Justin7]

Walther,

You raise a valid issue, but I doubt Oly/BJ have a reasonable way to get this info without manually searching through 1000's of pages of IP/transaction logs.

I don't think they are disputing the problem here though, so their time would be better spent rewriting that portion of ASI than validating a complaint they don't dispute.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Justin7

Walther,

You raise a valid issue, but I doubt Oly/BJ have a reasonable way to get this info without manually searching through 1000's of pages of IP/transaction logs.

I don't think they are disputing the problem here though, so their time would be better spent rewriting that portion of ASI than validating a complaint they don't dispute.

Nice reply though I believe a more appropriate one would be that any book that plays the players this way, especially A rated books, should receive immediate dowgrades until it stops.

This doesn't seem any less of a case of flat out stealing to me than a lot of other stuff I read on here. On top of it, they are openly admitting it.

[cobra_king]

Originally Posted by LMAOFISH

Use The Greek then, lines sometimes move in my favor. Once you have them locked in though, they never move for those 60 seconds.

This isn't true. I've had the Greek refuse a wager that has been locked in on more than a few occasions. If you are betting live than you better confirm your bet within 10 seconds, and if you are betting half times, especially football, where there is alot of line movement they will also refuse your bet if the line moves while you are in that holding pattern.

[The HG]

At a lesser full juice book that I use, which I admit I would never have wound up using if I didn't know someone who is an agent there, line changes in my favor come up as often as line changes against me.

I don't know what software they use, but I'm sure it's standard.

[jjgold]

Books hire very cheap labor and therefore have no clue how to change the software they bought, guys are fukkin idiots that work at books.

[Bill Dozer]

Until yesterday, Bet Jamaica led me to believe that line changes would sometimes occur in my favor. Even yesterday, Scotty temporarily took the position that a player sometimes benefits from line changes. By the end of our conversation, he admitted that Bet Jamaica will only notify the player of a line change when the line has moved in the sportsbook's favor. Scotty and Herman both asserted that ASI software is to blame for Bet Jamaica's policy. I find it very difficult to believe that the software lacks a preference that updates ALL line changes, including those in favor of the player. My understanding is that top sportsbooks had a heavy hand in developing the very software that Bet Jamaica blames. Blaming the software that BJ chooses is a meager excuse for BJ's policy.

What I am requesting: (1) I would like to know how many times Bet Jamaica has changed the lines in its favor and on which wagers, since February 2008. (2) I would also like to confirm Bet Jamaica's position that ASI software is allegedly responsible for Bet Jamaica's policy whereby the player NEVER benefits from a line move between the submit and confirm stages. I am not requesting reimbursement of any sort.

I talked to Scotty today. He was under the impression that when the wager data, like the start time and the line, do not match up with server data, the user's bet would be rejected. After talking with you he called ASI.

ASI's default is as you suspected. BetJamaica's programmer is talking to ASI and says they will have it giving the player the most current line by the end of the day today.

Scotty also said he credited your account $50 for your feedback.

[Justin7]

Originally Posted by Bill Dozer

I talked to Scotty today. He was under the impression that when the wager data, like the start time and the line, do not match up with server data, the user's bet would be rejected. After talking with you he called ASI.

ASI's default is as you suspected. BetJamaica's programmer is talking to ASI and says they will have it giving the player the most current line by the end of the day today.

Scotty also said he credited your account $50 for your feedback.

Oly/BJ are "A+" rated.

Questions?

[patswin]

Wow I never knew this existed, I always figured they would change the line in your favor it that was the case. Nice to see it corrected, they are a must have for me during baseball

[pjesnik24]

canbet informs you bothways.

[Walther Whalker]

Thanks to SBR and thanks to Bet Jam, positive news all the way around.

They do pay like clockwork and have been my favorite shop for years, thanks again.

[Bill Dozer]

It was a good catch Walther and this is not an advantages BJ wants. The guys who bet NBA and NFL half times should pick up a few cents here and there.

Maybe ASI will change their default settings as well. ASI's thinking is that both parties have the ability to decline a bet this way and if the player wants the line he picked, he can have it. If the line changed it means the book does not want to book the bet.

[Thremp]

Originally Posted by jjgold

Books hire very cheap labor and therefore have no clue how to change the software they bought, guys are fukkin idiots that work at books.

Didn't you make up an elaborate story about potentially becoming an employee of The Greek?

Would this make you an aspiring "fukkin idiot"?