[MadCapper]

Should finish is Career with 500 hr, 500 doubles, 1700 RBI, 250 SB

[Stumpage]

Man, that's a good question Madcap...I'd have to say Yes. Very consistent player as well until the last few years anyway, with a few great seasons thrown in (1996, 2000, 2003).

[MadCapper]

I think it'll be close.

[mofome]

yes. but i would not be sad if his head fell off like petey's

[Richkas]

no

[Kellen]

Im not a Gary Sheffield fan, I didnt even like him when he was in Atlanta. Id love to say No he wont be a HoFer and I even voted that way but as much as I hate to admit it, he will be I believe.

[WileOut]

In his prime which was about 8 or 9 years ago, he was a threat to win the triple crown every year. He came very close a few times. Definately one of the best power bats to ever play the game. He was a rare guy who hit for average, homeruns, RBI's, and steal bases. And he did it better than anyone else in his era. Side by side with Bonds.

He has had more than a few superhuman seasons where he just went bazerk. You have to look at his career before he went to NY. At NY his BA dropped off the map aka he got old. His stats are amazing pre-NY.

[SECfan23]

He'll finish in the top 25 in HRs and RBIs alltime. I think he is in. Maybe not first ballot though....

[WileOut]

Just looked at his stats. He had many years where he was hurt. Too many to make the hall of fame.

[nobshine]

Stats say probably. Personally I think he is one of the most arrogant players ever, Clemens like. Remember when the Crew drafted him and he refused to play unless they traded him.

Quick bat but also a quick mouth. Needed to be in the limelight all the time.

[WileOut]

Racist to boot.

[Willie Bee]

Posting big numbers, even milestone stats like the 500-HR club, while playing the bulk of your career from the late 80s to the early oughts will not going to give any player the automatic pass into Cooperstown. If character, or lack thereof, with regards to using steroids is going to factor in for some of them such as Mark McGwire, then character, or lack thereof, fathering so many children out of wedlock as Sheffield has should come into play. He might get in, but if I had a vote he sure as hell wouldn't get one from me.

[Deuce]

Unfortunately he can't hit the broad side of a barn this year let alone a baseball.

[MonkeyF0cker]

I really doubt it. The guy admitted to tanking games for the Brewers because he wasn't happy there. I don't think a player like that represents a true hall of famed. He also really only had a few quality years in his career. He wasn't considered much of an offensive threat for the majority of his career.

[Doc JS]

He wasn't considered much of an offensive threat for the majority of his career.

I'm not a big Sheff fan, even when he was in Atlanta. He has made comments that would indicate he's a racist. His steroid denial was about as lame as it gets. But to say "he wasn't considered an offensive threat for the majority of his career" is either painfully uninformed or just plain stupid.

He's probably in the top five of right handed hitters in the past twenty years behind A-Rod, Manny, and Albert Pujols.

21 year career average:
runs 105
HR's 33
RBI 107
SB 17
Walks 95
BA .294
SLG .519

Career Highs:
runs 126
HR's 43
RBI 132
SB 25
Walks 142
BA .330
SLG .643

Now, as to whether he should be in the HOF, the numbers would seem to indicate that he will be. If the steroid stuff doesn't keep him out.

Doc

[MonkeyF0cker]

But to say "he wasn't considered an offensive threat for the majority of his career" is either painfully uninformed or just plain stupid.


21 year career average:
runs 105
HR's 33
RBI 107
SB 17
Walks 95
BA .294
SLG .519

Hmm. Not sure how you got these numbers. But a guy who has 482 career home runs would be hard pressed to average 33 a year for 21 years.

Here are his actual totals:

HR: 482 (23 a year)
R: 1552 (78 a year)
RBI: 1584 (75 a year)
BB: 1400 (66 a year)
SB: 245 (12 a year)

Or were you averaging for games he didnt play (for every 162 games). Like the times he faked injury or illness so he didnt have to take the field...

[MonkeyF0cker]

Also if you wanna bring the steroid issue into question. For only a couple of seasons before he was a Dodger did he put up any meaningful season stats. Its pretty easy to see where he started juicing. Both his performance and durability increased tremendously from 1999-2005.

[Doc JS]

Hmm. Not sure how you got these numbers. But a guy who has 482 career home runs would be hard pressed to average 33 a year for 21 years.

Here are his actual totals:

HR: 482 (23 a year)
R: 1552 (78 a year)
RBI: 1584 (75 a year)
BB: 1400 (66 a year)
SB: 245 (12 a year)

Or were you averaging for games he didnt play (for every 162 games). Like the times he faked injury or illness so he didnt have to take the field...

Yes, the average was for 162 games. Sorry if you found that mis-leading. Here's the url for the site:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/sheffga01.shtml

And look, you don't have to like Sheffield. I don't like Sheffield! But to say he hasn't been considered an offensive threat is just wrong.

Doc

[mofome]

Posting big numbers, even milestone stats like the 500-HR club, while playing the bulk of your career from the late 80s to the early oughts will not going to give any player the automatic pass into Cooperstown. If character, or lack thereof, with regards to using steroids is going to factor in for some of them such as Mark McGwire, then character, or lack thereof, fathering so many children out of wedlock as Sheffield has should come into play. He might get in, but if I had a vote he sure as hell wouldn't get one from me.

If character is an issue then Bird and Malone cant get into the NBA's version of the Hall

[madmaxx]

Looking at some of the questionable players who get in, I believe he SHOULD but no way he gets first ballot and may be on the waiting list high-fiving jim abbott for quite some time

[Doc JS]

If character is an issue then Bird and Malone cant get into the NBA's version of the Hall

Both Larry and Moses are in the basketball HOF, http://www.hoophall.com/halloffamers...ers-alpha.html.

There are people in the various HOF's who were less than model citizens. Ty Cobb most notably comes to mind.

And if I'm not mistaken, the NFL is the only HOF where "character" is specifically to be considered. Sorta makes ya' wonder if they should go back now and "un-elect" OJ Simpson, doens't it?

Doc

[Willie Bee]

If character is an issue then Bird and Malone cant get into the NBA's version of the Hall

Got no clue what the rules are for the NBA's HOF, but character is one of the rules for enshrinment at Cooperstown:

http://web.baseballhalloffame.org/hofers/bbwaa.jsp
5. Voting: Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played.

I'm probably in Doc JS' court for the most part regarding Sheffield, though I don't think he's a shoe-in statistcally. Everyone has their own criteria, and for me the main one is was the player among the top 10% of his contemporaries at his position. Sheffield probably ranks just barely inside the 10% in my opinion, and I'm not going to fault anyone for voting for him. But if you vote for him and then turn around and nix someone like McGwire and Sosa just for the steroids crap, then I find that somewhat hypocritical.

[mofome]

Both Larry and Moses are in the basketball HOF, http://www.hoophall.com/halloffamers...ers-alpha.html.



Doc

Karl

[jjgold]

No, he was a major player in steroid era

[Doc JS]

But if you vote for him and then turn around and nix someone like McGwire and Sosa just for the steroids crap, then I find that somewhat hypocritical.

WB,
Agree 100%!

Doc

[Doc JS]

No, he was a major player in steroid era

jj,
Define "major player".

I think he used. He's admitted to using and offered up a lame-ass excuse for his use but so did prolly 50% of the other players in the steroid era.

How you gonna decide who you let in and who you keep out of the HOF??

Doc

[daggerkobe]

Heck, even Jose Canseco has close to 500 HRs, 200 SBs & 1500 RBIs.... and the only way he'll get in is if Castro buys it and moves it to Cuba.

[MadCapper]

Tied up after 12 votes.

[imgv94]

I'm going to give a marginal "NO"

Definitely will take some time for him to get in..

[tacomax]

But if you vote for him and then turn around and nix someone like McGwire and Sosa just for the steroids crap, then I find that somewhat hypocritical.

Thread can now be closed.