[MJFtheGenius]

looks that way

turns out Brady was a cheater so he was never that good

Romo looks like the obvious choice for best QB in the league

[Sportsgirl]

He is if you like a choker who can't win the big games.

[RageWizard]

He is if you like a choker who can't win the big games.

Who doesn't like a choker? They are the best. Oh, and a choker quarterback can be counted on also to choke. So you can fade them in big games.

[Mr. D]

sorry, wrong thread!

[MJFtheGenius]

He is if you like a choker who can't win the big games.

Oh yea how did he do against the packers in that big game?

how did he do in the comeback over the Lions??

it was not his fault his offensive line forgot how to block against the Giants.

I could care less about the Seattle playoff game

It was a joke he was the holder in the first place

[BadNina]

He definitely ain't no singer.

[rm18]

Manning is the best, no one reputable would ever say Brady. (Peyton)

[Sportsgirl]

Oh yea how did he do against the packers in that big game?

how did he do in the comeback over the Lions??

it was not his fault his offensive line forgot how to block against the Giants.

I could care less about the Seattle playoff game

It was a joke he was the holder in the first place

the only game that matters regarding my comments is a Jan. 13 21-17 loss to the Giants in which your great QB completed 18 of 36 passes for 201 yards and a touchdown, along with the interception on his final pass when he tried to force the ball to Terry Glenn, who was surrounded by three defenders in the end zone.

This is why his is not and will likely never be a Super Bowl QB. He'll get your 'boys through the season OK, but he's not gonna win that big game.

[Sportsgirl]

Might I mention that Ben Roethlisberger is only in his fourth year inthe NFL and already has a super bowl ring - the youngest QB ever to win one.
His 2007 stats:

QB rating:104.1
Comp: 264
Att: 404
Pct: 65.3
Yards: 3154
TDS: 32
INTS: 11

I think he makes the top 5.

[BrUno0]

Mcnabb is better than romo lol

[element1286]

Tony Romo is definitely not a top 3 NFL QB in today's NFL and an argument could also be made for him not being a top 5 NFL QB today.

1. Peyton
2. Brady
3. Eli - Yes I said it. I think he finally comes around fully next season and unlike Romo he actually can win the big games.
4. Brees - very close between Brees & Palmer but I give it to Brees because unlike Carson, he has proven he can still be good with no one to throw the ball to - (when he played with the Chargers).
5. Palmer
6. Romo

How about Ben. Palmer, Romo, and Brees are all losers. And Eli has only done it for a half a year.

Brady
Peyton.
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Ben.
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The Rest

[MJFtheGenius]

Rothlisberger chokes too

Mcnabb can't play anymore, ask anyone in Philly

everyone is trying to run him out of town

When you say Eli is better that is a joke
His team got hot at the right time

like I said before if you understood the game it was not Romos fault
his offensive line forgot how to block that game

Yea that last interception in the endzone
Sportsgirl you fukin idiot
It was 4th down and no one was open
would you rather he take a sack?

[MJFtheGenius]

Only 3 quarterbacks you can make a valid arguement are better then Romo

brady, P. Manning and Palmer

anyone else I can easily make the case Romo is better

[element1286]

Only 3 quarterbacks you can make a valid arguement are better then Romo

brady, P. Manning and Palmer

anyone else I can easily make the case Romo is better

First, Ben doesn't choke. He beat superior teams, with his inferior teams because of his spectacular play. He didn't play well in the Superbowl, but was great in the AFC side of the playoffs. And the same can be said about Eli, but he has yet to put an entire year together.

Second, Romo has never won anything. He has lost two playoff games with far superior teams. Great quarterbacks win those games.

Third, Palmer keeps on putting up good numbers, but he is not winning games. That offense is so good that he should be winning games despite the defense. Derek Anderson had a bad defense, but he still won some games. Palmer is a loser, a guy that puts up good numbers, but doesn't have the guts to win a big game. I do think that the injury sustained against the Steelers in the playoffs has ruined Palmer. He is not the same quarterback.

[element1286]

Only 3 quarterbacks you can make a valid arguement are better then Romo

brady, P. Manning and Palmer

anyone else I can easily make the case Romo is better

I would also like to hear your case about Romo.

[Sportsgirl]

First, Ben doesn't choke. He beat superior teams, with his inferior teams because of his spectacular play. He didn't play well in the Superbowl, but was great in the AFC side of the playoffs. And the same can be said about Eli, but he has yet to put an entire year together.

Second, Romo has never won anything. He has lost two playoff games with far superior teams. Great quarterbacks win those games.

Third, Palmer keeps on putting up good numbers, but he is not winning games. That offense is so good that he should be winning games despite the defense. Derek Anderson had a bad defense, but he still won some games. Palmer is a loser, a guy that puts up good numbers, but doesn't have the guts to win a big game. I do think that the injury sustained against the Steelers in the playoffs has ruined Palmer. He is not the same quarterback.

what he said.

[Sportsgirl]

Rothlisberger chokes too

Mcnabb can't play anymore, ask anyone in Philly

everyone is trying to run him out of town

When you say Eli is better that is a joke
His team got hot at the right time

like I said before if you understood the game it was not Romos fault
his offensive line forgot how to block that game

Yea that last interception in the endzone
Sportsgirl you fukin idiot
It was 4th down and no one was open
would you rather he take a sack?

No, I would have much rather if he'd have completed a pass on the first three downs. And I'm the idiot?

[MJFtheGenius]

Element you had a valid arguement until you mentioned derek Anderson who didn't even make the playoffs. When you mention him in this conversation you are either a moron or you a trying to tic me off (which I don't like).

That superbowl team had nothing to do with Rothlisberger
They had one of the best defenses in the NFl and running games int he NFL

He only threw the ball about 19, 20 times a game.
Yes he did mange the game well by not losing it for them but Romo is in an entire different situation. Romo is asked to be the man on the cowboys and he was putting up MVP numbers. He did not play well down the stretch but you could not expect him to keep that up the enitre regular season. I did expect him to have a strong postseason but the offensive line and coaching staff did not really give him a chance.

Hell if crayton does not drop that pass then we are not having this conversation

[MJFtheGenius]

No, I would have much rather if he'd have completed a pass on the first three downs. And I'm the idiot?

Yea the clock was running out and they were put of timeouts.

you are the idiot

[Sportsgirl]

Yea the clock was running out and they were put of timeouts.

you are the idiot

No, I'm afraid you're just gonna have to be the idiot in this one, genius, whether you're man enough to admit it or not. A good QB - with a team behind him like Dallas - would have been winning by the time the clock was running out.

[Quebb Diesel]

looks that way

turns out Brady was a cheater so he was never that good

Romo looks like the obvious choice for best QB in the league

youre an idiot...how is the best qb in the league have a worse overall qb rating in the playoffs for his career and hasnt won a playoff game?

[element1286]

Element you had a valid arguement until you mentioned derek Anderson who didn't even make the playoffs. When you mention him in this conversation you are either a moron or you a trying to tic me off (which I don't like).

That superbowl team had nothing to do with Rothlisberger
They had one of the best defenses in the NFl and running games int he NFL

He only threw the ball about 19, 20 times a game.
Yes he did mange the game well by not losing it for them but Romo is in an entire different situation. Romo is asked to be the man on the cowboys and he was putting up MVP numbers. He did not play well down the stretch but you could not expect him to keep that up the enitre regular season. I did expect him to have a strong postseason but the offensive line and coaching staff did not really give him a chance.

Hell if crayton does not drop that pass then we are not having this conversation

First, I pointed out Anderson because he won 10 games on a team that wasn't that much better than Cincy.

The superbowl team had a lot to do with Roethlisberger. You cannot discount him because he had a good team around him. Peyton had a better team around him, but Ben still managed to beat him. Ben got the team to the Superbowl. He may not have won it but he got them there.

Ben put up better numbers last year with an inferior offense/team. The Steelers o-line didn't give him a chance all year. Romo throws too many interceptions, and they still keep on losing to inferior teams in the playoffs.

[MJFtheGenius]

Queb you can go eat bag
They let you out of school for less then a week and already you are dumber then ever.

Yea Romo will improve his playoff numbers this year. However like I said Sportsgirl you keep ignoring the fact the Giants front 7 was all over Romo. What the fuk did you want him to do put on a superman cape and fly to the endzone. Anyone who understands the game puts the blame on the offensive line and there was no running game in the 2nd half because the coaching staff for whatever reason not until the playoffs decides to start Marion barber and then use him too much int he first half and he was worn out. Barber can not carry the ball over 15 times a game he takes too much of a beating.

You guys watch to much ESPN
They are all New england fans on that station
It's a fukin joke they always praise the new England teams

[MJFtheGenius]

Element he throws more interceptions because the Cowboys were a pass heavy team like the Pats

brady was unhuman last year and amazing he threw that much with so few interceptions

Yea Rothlisberger throws interceptions all the time when the game is on the line
Just a few off the top of head, he threw like 6 in the past 2 games vs the jags
He thre the game away in Arizona last year, I'll take Romo he is more elusive and accurate and makes better decisions

Rothlisberger was getting sacked left and right last year that is a good point.
But when you get sacked that many time I think it's obvious you are holding on to the ball too long

[Quebb Diesel]

you come call me when romo wins a playoff game...mvp...efficiency rating...completion %...a super bowl...then MAYBE i could consider him a top 5 qb in the nfl...

so you are meaning to tell me a guy who went 35/65 (53.8%) 390 yds 2 tds a pick and 4 sacks in his first two and only playoff games is the best qb in the nfl?! lay off the pipe!

[element1286]

Romo does not make better decisions. If he did he would throw more interceptions.

I would agree that some of the sacks are on Ben, but the Steelers line was one of the worst I've seen.

Romo is not more accurate. Throws a lot of dump-offs, Ben throws the ball down the field more.

[Quebb Diesel]

Element he throws more interceptions because the Cowboys were a pass heavy team like the Pats

brady was unhuman last year and amazing he threw that much with so few interceptions

Yea Rothlisberger throws interceptions all the time when the game is on the line
Just a few off the top of head, he threw like 6 in the past 2 games vs the jags
He thre the game away in Arizona last year, I'll take Romo he is more elusive and accurate and makes better decisions

Rothlisberger was getting sacked left and right last year that is a good point.
But when you get sacked that many time I think it's obvious you are holding on to the ball too long

dallas was 18th in the league in pass attempts last year (middle of the pack) while teams like new england and new orleans were in the top 5...and 21st in rushing attempts...looks to me like they had a balanced offensive attack if you ask me?

[MJFtheGenius]

ok now he's not top 5
Queb your out of your mind

I will call you on the 705 line in january when this happens

[element1286]

you come call me when romo wins a playoff game...mvp...efficiency rating...completion %...a super bowl...then MAYBE i could consider him a top 5 qb in the nfl...

so you are meaning to tell me a guy who went 35/65 (53.8%) 390 yds 2 tds a pick and 4 sacks in his first two and only playoff games is the best qb in the nfl?! lay off the pipe!

Quebb who are your top 5?

[MJFtheGenius]

dallas was 18th in the league in pass attempts last year (middle of the pack) while teams like new england and new orleans were in the top 5...and 21st in rushing attempts...looks to me like they had a balanced offensive attack if you ask me?

those stats are misleading

Only that way becuase they had so many blowouts they were running the ball alot in the 4th quarter

But if you look at every close game or big game they had Romo threw the ball like 35 times plus

[Sportsgirl]

Queb you can go eat bag
They let you out of school for less then a week and already you are dumber then ever.

Yea Romo will improve his playoff numbers this year. However like I said Sportsgirl you keep ignoring the fact the Giants front 7 was all over Romo. What the fuk did you want him to do put on a superman cape and fly to the endzone. Anyone who understands the game puts the blame on the offensive line and there was no running game in the 2nd half because the coaching staff for whatever reason not until the playoffs decides to start Marion barber and then use him too much int he first half and he was worn out. Barber can not carry the ball over 15 times a game he takes too much of a beating.

You guys watch to much ESPN
They are all New england fans on that station
It's a fukin joke they always praise the new England teams

maybe he was "holding onto the ball too long"

[element1286]

ok now he's not top 5
Queb your out of your mind

I will call you on the 705 line in january when this happens

He might be number 5.

Brady
Manning
Roethlisberger
Brees/Romo/Palmer (all about the same)

Honorable mention to Eli for having a great playoffs, I would like to see him put together an whole year.

[Sportsgirl]

He might be number 5.

Brady
Manning
Roethlisberger
Brees/Romo/Palmer (all about the same)

Honorable mention to Eli for having a great playoffs, I would like to see him put together an whole year.

I like your list - but I'd put Eli in before Romo or Palmer - at least Eli is a proven winner.