[seaborneq]

The best odds I see are 25-1 at 5Dimes? Anyone see any better/higher odds for this future prop? Thanks

[mofome]

Why do you love clemson?

[seaborneq]

Returning backfield, everybody has a full year under their belts, a good year at that, BC, Miami, Fla St, and GTech will be down again. Clemson should go undefeated in the ACC, and whoever they play in the in the title game should not have as much firepower on offense. As long as SCarolina does not trip them in the regular season finale, just making to the BCS title game seems a lock. When you get there, hope for a Denver-GB, Pats-Giants, or Pats-Rams type upset. Now pay me.

[seaborneq]

Originally Posted by mofome

Why do you love clemson?

Returning backfield, everybody has a full year under their belts, a good year at that. BC, Miami, Fla St, and GTech will be down again. They are going to cream the Tide in the first game, so they should be in the top 10 after the first week of play. Watch everyone lose one game ahead of them, and Clemson should go undefeated in the ACC, and whoever they play in the in the title game should not have as much firepower on offense. As long as SCarolina does not trip them in the regular season finale, just making to the BCS title game seems a lock. When you get there, hope for a Denver-GB, Pats-Giants, or Pats-Rams type upset. Now pay me.

[mofome]

Originally Posted by seaborneq

Returning backfield, everybody has a full year under their belts, a good year at that, BC, Miami, Fla St, and GTech will be down again. Clemson should go undefeated in the ACC, and whoever they play in the in the title game should not have as much firepower on offense. As long as SCarolina does not trip them in the regular season finale, just making to the BCS title game seems a lock. When you get there, hope for a Denver-GB, Pats-Giants, or Pats-Rams type upset. Now pay me.

I don't agree with anything you've just said, but thats no matter. bol.

[pokernut9999]

Clemson will never go undefeated.

[seaborneq]

What is not true? And please don't bring up anything about the Vols filling all of their holes and competing for the championship.

[seaborneq]

Originally Posted by pokernut9999

Clemson will never go undefeated.

I don't need them to go undefeated all the time, just this year. Who has a better chance of going undefeated this year other than Clemson, other than OSU?

[fiveteamer]

Ball State.

[seaborneq]

Originally Posted by fiveteamer

Ball State.

I'll take Clemson and give you Ball State. Stick to playing Nebraska and other pansies. Let me know when you make to big boy status. However, you should be better than the Vols.

[topgame85]

It is way in advance to make a play like this but I agree they will be good this year, the biggest problem is that you never know if some bone head will get arrested, kicked off team, injured or whatever other random thing can happen but that I just in general don't like futures wagers. As I said though they will be solid and at 25-1 worth a shot for a small amount of money after the first few weeks of the season they will probably still be pretty good odds and you will know more where they stand

[mofome]

1) what are you talking about the vols for? some kinda psychobabble?

2) Cullen Harper going to be the QB of the national champion? He's a decent QB, but he'll have to be awfully good to go through the season undefeated.

3) What do you love about their offensive line, exactly?

4) @ BC and then @ FSU in back to back weeks won't be easy. Wake should have gotten a win over clemson last season, they'll be decent once again in 08.

5) GT and MD will be tough. @ UVA the week before their SC game is a 50/50 game at best.

6) South Carolina will be as good as Clemson this season.

7) You don't think Bama will be much improved with the talent they've been brining in?

8) Clemson has not been to a major bowl once under bowden nor have they won 10 games in any season.

9) Can Bowers replace Merling as a true freshman?



Clemson returns a lot of talent and they brought in a great recruiting class, but going through their schedule undefeated seems far from likely. their skill players are as good as any in the nation on offense, but their protection is going to be even worse than it was in 07. Clemson is a legit contender in the ACC, of course, but without the ability to protect harper, i cant take them seriously as a title contender.

[uscfootball33]

Yes, they have an easy ACC schedule, but they always do and still average around 8 wins a year. This team is replacing 3 starters along the O-line (including 2 All-ACC performers) and have to open up against a tough SEC opponent in Alabama and finish with another tough SEC opponent in South Carolina. Mark it down: No way they win both of those. More likely to go 0-2 in those games than 2-0.

[seaborneq]

Originally Posted by uscfootball33

Yes, they have an easy ACC schedule, but they always do and still average around 8 wins a year. This team is replacing 3 starters along the O-line (including 2 All-ACC performers) and have to open up against a tough SEC opponent in Alabama and finish with another tough SEC opponent in South Carolina. Mark it down: No way they win both of those. More likely to go 0-2 in those games than 2-0.

This is the year the blind squirrel finds the nut, and the sun will shine on the dog's ass. Book it.

[mofome]

Originally Posted by seaborneq

Book it.

I'd love to.

[seaborneq]

Originally Posted by uscfootball33

Yes, they have an easy ACC schedule, but they always do and still average around 8 wins a year. This team is replacing 3 starters along the O-line (including 2 All-ACC performers) and have to open up against a tough SEC opponent in Alabama and finish with another tough SEC opponent in South Carolina. Mark it down: No way they win both of those. More likely to go 0-2 in those games than 2-0.

I guarantee that will not happen and to prove further, I will bet you 100 dollars Clemson does not go 0-2 against the SEC's 3rd or 4th best teams in the East and West. I would add a few more zeroes to that number but I don't want to scare you away. I wish a book would take even money on that prop. I would bet all of my balances and future balances on it. Not happening. Let me know if you want to do that one. And find some other suckers who want in I will take them too.

[uscfootball33]

Originally Posted by mofome

I'd love to.

Mo, he offered it to me first!

[mofome]

Originally Posted by seaborneq

I guarantee that will not happen and to prove further, I will bet you 100 dollars Clemson does not go 0-2 against the SEC's 3rd or 4th best teams in the East and West. I would add a few more zeroes to that number but I don't want to scare you away. I wish a book would take even money on that prop. I would bet all of my balances and future balances on it. Not happening. Let me know if you want to do that one. And find some other suckers who want in I will take them too.

re-read what he actually said, slugger.

[mofome]

Originally Posted by uscfootball33

Mo, he offered it to me first!

[Deuce]

Clemson will be top 10 nothing more. They may get a BCS bid but I just don't see a NCAA Championship. It will be Oklahoma or Ohio St.

[SECfan23]

I dont see why this year will be any different under Tammy Bowdung. Theyre setting up for the same ole story where Clemson is all hyped up with their great talent at the beginning of the season, they think they are better than the world, then they will lose a few that they should have won, fans call for Tammy's head, then they will beat USC at the end of the season to save his job.
My guess is that they are peach bowl bound....again

I also ignored my pure hatred for clemson in that analysis.

[mofome]

Originally Posted by SECfan23

I dont see why this year will be any different under Tammy Bowdung. Theyre setting up for the same ole story where Clemson is all hyped up with their great talent at the beginning of the season, they think they are better than the world, then they will lose a few that they should have won, fans call for Tammy's head, then they will beat USC at the end of the season to save his job.
My guess is that they are peach bowl bound....again

I also ignored my pure hatred for clemson in that analysis.

Whitehurst for Heisman.

[uscfootball33]

Originally Posted by seaborneq

I guarantee that will not happen and to prove further, I will bet you 100 dollars Clemson does not go 0-2 against the SEC's 3rd or 4th best teams in the East and West. I would add a few more zeroes to that number but I don't want to scare you away. I wish a book would take even money on that prop. I would bet all of my balances and future balances on it. Not happening. Let me know if you want to do that one. And find some other suckers who want in I will take them too.

Haha, getting quite defensive aren't we? Alright, Seaborneq, I will offer you a wager based on what I actually said. I will put 100 dollars on Clemson to go 0-2 against Alabama and South Carolina. However, you have to put up 100 dollars for Clemson to go 2-0 against Alabama and South Carolina. If Clemson goes 1-1 against these two SEC teams, there is no action and we both keep our money. You In?

[seaborneq]

Originally Posted by uscfootball33

Haha, getting quite defensive aren't we? Alright, Seaborneq, I will offer you a wager based on what I actually said. I will put 100 dollars on Clemson to go 0-2 against Alabama and South Carolina. However, you have to put up 100 dollars for Clemson to go 2-0 against Alabama and South Carolina. If Clemson goes 1-1 against these two SEC teams, there is no action and we both keep our money. You In?

You had to go there. The wager would have been over August 30th 2008, the first full Saturday at 10pm before September even started, because they are going to kick Bama's ass. I said initially that the rival game between South Carolina and Clemson was the ONLY hiccup that worried me in the sorry ass ACC. I will take you up on the bet because the worse that can happen is a push. No way 2 disappointing 6-6 SEC teams rise up and win big OOC games on neutral and road sites. I am down for it. I will let you off the hook so that you don't have to pay me on September 1, before the first AP rankings come out. I will play your game, but this is a long way from "more likely to go 0-2 than 2-0". You learned a good lesson early in life; CYA, CYA. Cover your ass, son. Cover your ass.

[mofome]

Originally Posted by seaborneq

You had to go there. The wager would have been over August 30th 2008, the first full Saturday at 10pm before September even started, because they are going to kick Bama's ass. I said initially that the rival game between South Carolina and Clemson was the ONLY hiccup that worried me in the sorry ass ACC. I will take you up on the bet because the worse that can happen is a push. No way 2 disappointing 6-6 SEC teams rise up and win big OOC games on neutral and road sites. I am down for it. I will let you off the hook so that you don't have to pay me on September 1, before the first AP rankings come out. I will play your game, but this is a long way from "more likely to go 0-2 than 2-0". You learned a good lesson early in life; CYA, CYA. Cover your ass, son. Cover your ass.

you're the one that changed things, champ. you changed what someone said, and then got tough on some stance that no one was arguing against. you not living in reality doesn't bother me, it just makes you insane.

[seaborneq]

Originally Posted by mofome

you're the one that changed things, champ. you changed what someone said, and then got tough on some stance that no one was arguing against. you not living in reality doesn't bother me, it just makes you insane.

Mofo, what the **** you drinking/smoking/eating? In order for a team to play for the BCS championship, I said that Clemson looked good in regards to teams that they were playing in their conference were down. SC brings up a totally different reasons for this by bringing up 2 downtrodden SEC teams on the schedule, well actually one. I brought up USC as a rivalry game. A person brings up Clemson losing to Alabama and South Carolina as losses, and yes, damn right I called him on it. I put 100 dollars on Clemson to win the BCS at 25-1, and I find a sucker who wants to give me 100 dollars to pay for the wager, and you are the one bitching and complaining. Get a life.

[Kellen]

Clemson will not even be the best team in the ACC. Tommy Bowden is a joke.

[seaborneq]

Originally Posted by Kellen

Clemson will not even be the best team in the ACC. Tommy Bowden is a joke.

Tell me who will be, Wille McGee.......I mean Einstein.

[mofome]

Originally Posted by seaborneq

Mofo, what the **** you drinking/smoking/eating? In order for a team to play for the BCS championship, I said that Clemson looked good in regards to teams that they were playing in their conference were down. SC brings up a totally different reasons for this by bringing up 2 downtrodden SEC teams on the schedule, well actually one. I brought up USC as a rivalry game. A person brings up Clemson losing to Alabama and South Carolina as losses, and yes, damn right I called him on it. I put 100 dollars on Clemson to win the BCS at 25-1, and I find a sucker who wants to give me 100 dollars to pay for the wager, and you are the one bitching and complaining. Get a life.

He said there was a better chance of them (clemson) losing both than winning both. You didn't call anyone out on anything, you just made up some tremendous load of nonsense and it seems that no matter how slowly someone explains things to you, you are still unable to catch on. you're embarrassing.

[Kellen]

I lived in Clemson all my life so maybe Im just biased. I hate Clemson football and everything about them.

[seaborneq]

Originally Posted by mofome

He said there was a better chance of them (clemson) losing both than winning both. You didn't call anyone out on anything, you just made up some tremendous load of nonsense and it seems that no matter how slowly someone explains things to you, you are still unable to catch on. you're embarrassing.

What does "better chance" mean to you? you are drunk or high.

[seaborneq]

Originally Posted by Kellen

I lived in Clemson all my life so maybe Im just biased. I hate Clemson football and everything about them.

So basically no analysis, just talking out of your ass. Sadly, I started this thread to get positive feedback, to see if I was leaning the right way, and all I get are Clemson haters, SCarolina backers, and Vol smackers. I read a few well intentioned reasons why it is worth a shot, but other than that the responses have been idiotic at best. I guess this was the wrong time to do it in the heat of the NBA and the throws of the boys of summer. I'll bring this up again closer to football season, and hopefully the dialog will be received by better knowledgable football bettors who know something about value in sports wagering. Board is filled with Homers right now. Sorry everyone, I will bring this up later.

[mofome]

Originally Posted by seaborneq

What does "better chance" mean to you? you are drunk or high.

Go back to school, then come back and read this thread over again, and then apologize for making everyone dumber.

[uscfootball33]

Originally Posted by seaborneq

You had to go there. The wager would have been over August 30th 2008, the first full Saturday at 10pm before September even started, because they are going to kick Bama's ass. I said initially that the rival game between South Carolina and Clemson was the ONLY hiccup that worried me in the sorry ass ACC. I will take you up on the bet because the worse that can happen is a push. No way 2 disappointing 6-6 SEC teams rise up and win big OOC games on neutral and road sites. I am down for it. I will let you off the hook so that you don't have to pay me on September 1, before the first AP rankings come out. I will play your game, but this is a long way from "more likely to go 0-2 than 2-0". You learned a good lesson early in life; CYA, CYA. Cover your ass, son. Cover your ass.

LMAO, can you believe this guy? Let me translate this for you Seaborneq: I am betting for Clemson to go 0-2 because they are more likely to do this than go 2-0 against these two SEC teams. You are taking the other side of the wager because you think the mighty Clemson Tigers are BCS Championship bound and are more likely to go 2-0 against these two teams than 0-2. The bet is exactly what I said. I never said that Clemson is more likely to go 0-2 than 1-1 OR 2-0. I said they are more likely to go 0-2 than 2-0 and that is how our wager is structured. You aren't doing me any favors and I won't treat you as if you are. You have accepted the wager, so I will hold you accountable and I expect you to do the same and hold me accountable. Mo, you want to officiate on this wager and keep tabs on it?

[mofome]

Originally Posted by seaborneq

So basically no analysis, just talking out of your ass. Sadly, I started this thread to get positive feedback, to see if I was leaning the right way, and all I get are Clemson haters, SCarolina backers, and Vol smackers. I read a few well intentioned reasons why it is worth a shot, but other than that the responses have been idiotic at best. I guess this was the wrong time to do it in the heat of the NBA and the throws of the boys of summer. I'll bring this up again closer to football season, and hopefully the dialog will be received by better knowledgable football bettors who know something about value in sports wagering. Sorry everyone, I will bring this up later.

You have made a mockery of your own thread. i gave you plenty to respond to that was football related, but you did not reply to it. my guess, you don't know all that much about college football.

allow me to simplify things for you.
usc said there is a better chance of clemson going 0-2 than going 2-0. He did not say they would go 0-2. He did not say there was a better chance of Clemson going 0-2 than going 1-1, which is what you based your entire temper tantrum upon. you changed someones statement and then turned it into an argument. you then got e-tough and acted like he backed down when, in fact, you were off base the entire time. this has been explained to you 17 times, but you still can not seem to figure it out. you can cast blame on to others, but that doesn't mean you actually make any sense. I'd love to have a rational conversation about college football, but you're not allowing that to take place.