[Cloak & Dagger]

Originally Posted by pokernut9999

They may be legit and they may not, only time will tell. But people must realize that any book opening up pretty much has to pay in the beggining or they would be uncovered real quick. They may have an agenda and they may not, but any book that tells customers they have a half a million in backing is not to professional.

Never heard of any business telling people finanical details and how almost every week people have winnings canceled in mid air after losing that week.

Time after time people request a check that should be mailed on Wednesday and the following Monday after losing they get canceled.

BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

half a mil backing my ass...they have shills threatning people to "pay or else"...when they owe $15.95

Originally Posted by durito

where is cw located?

one of their traffic servers comes back to stone mountain georgia...if that means anything

[CrazyLou]

Originally Posted by durito

where is cw located?

Costa Rica.

[topcat]

Originally Posted by crazyl

would you take that position on a sponsor book? absolutely not.

i know knuckleheads will interpret that to mean that i feel CW should have an A+ rating, but be honest for a minute. if this was a book on good terms with SBR, that invited you over to visit them, that made every attempt to get on your good graces like another credit book which shall remain nameless (which is expecting a rating in a week..), then f*ck no you wouldnt exclude honest posters from seeing who has reported a payout..

fact is, they've paid. prove otherwise. show me one poster that got stiffed..

crazyl,you seem to be a good guy,so i dont doubt your word.there model,is destined to fail.i would say 95 percent of gamblers will not pay if they owe money,unless there are ways of ruing someones credit.if someone that works for credit wagering comes to collect a debt,they will be killed.me and my dad are honest,and we would pay.my dad has friends that would pay,but he also has friends that would cut their heads off.

[Cloak & Dagger]

Originally Posted by topcat

crazyl,you seem to be a good guy,so i dont doubt your word.there model,is destined to fail.i would say 95 percent of gamblers will not pay if they owe money,unless there are ways of ruing someones credit.if someone that works for credit wagering comes to collect a debt,they will be killed.me and my dad are honest,and we would pay.my dad has friends that would pay,but he also has friends that would cut their heads off.

so do ALOT of other people in the united states.....

point being....IMO...and others might not share this opinion

when I seen the threats on this board by their shill....thats when I knew....that they had NO BACKING

I might have played there...I didnt come in thinking anything bad about them...."Tom" asked me in live chat "why do you hate us so much"

I repsonded "I dont hate anyone...I just dont care for the cheezy threats regarding a $12.60 debt"

and then the way they treated j$.....I mean CMON.....it reeks of some broke chumps that might only be around until their godaddy registration expires....which is the end of this year

[topcat]

Originally Posted by MJFtheGenius

does everyone get one???

It comes in the mail?

if you want a debit card try bet jamacia,justbet,and the greek.solid books. no complaints with mind.

[2Pac]

$500,000 backing seems like nothing.

[Cloak & Dagger]

Originally Posted by 2Pac

$500,000 backing seems like nothing.

Im thinking they had about $10,000 tops....

[pokernut9999]

Originally Posted by 2Pac

$500,000 backing seems like nothing.

The amount is not the point, no one gives out info to their customers on their backing period !!!!

[topcat]

Originally Posted by Cloak & Dagger

Im thinking they had about $10,000 tops....

i agree,10,000 tops.we had a bookie from myrtle beach,and he was a tobacco buyer,and he was between10 to 15 million .if they had 500,000 aint much.

[2Pac]

Is it just me or does Ben remind you of:

[Cannon]

Originally Posted by crazyl

Costa Rica.

My money is on USA!!!

[2Pac]

Originally Posted by Cannon

My money is on USA!!!

Doesn't matter where they are. They aren't licensed, and they don't make you accept their terms of service at signup.

They would be very easy to get shut down.

[operaman]

What methods do these guys accept payments?

Maybe we could set them up and meet them at the point of
delivery of funds. We might be able to get the policia involved.

[Al Masters]

Outside opinion regarding this thread

Im an old time sbr member who was saved from blowing 4k on betus some 2 years ago,by finding this place hours before making my deposit with them.

So i do have unconditional loyalty towards this site for that reason.

That said i chose not to really hang here,as i didn't like the direction things were
going in,seemed after the neteller fiasco and Pinny leaving the U.S, the content
here took a dramatic turn from educational to entertainment.

I like to think i was a regular contributer in the poker section here, for awhile.

As far as this thread goes i know a few things for sure other things are just my opinion.

Here goes the for sure, Crazy and BBD are the only 2 names here from way back when i was half a regular here, way back when mudcat was a mod here.

They were 2 extremely strong posters here albeit in different capacities, kinda sad to
come back and see them bickering at each other over different takes on this CW thing.

CRAZY is a good poster who has been here a long time,we had a few poker discussions, i can tell who ever thinks other wise he is no shill for this joint,
he's just giving you his opinion based on his expeience.

BBD was and probably is the best mod here ,always quick with to come with good info on any given subject,also very good in bringing the latest news directly here.

In my opinion 2 standout contributers to this forum.

That said (crazy) you may not like my opinion on this matter,and i hope i'm wrong,but i don't think so.i'm certainly not saying your experiences thus far haven't been positive, I BELIEVE EVERY WORD YOU HAVE SAID HERE IN THIS THREAD.

IT'S the players positive experience with the place that has to happen for the con to be able to work in the end, A little like an old time carnival trick called putting over the fence,you see back in the day a carnival would come into town for 2 weeks at a time with games that had money involved, for the 1st 5 days pay out all kinds of winners, they inturn would spread the news through out the neighbourhood, then they would bang out the others the following 10 days, thus being able to return the following year.

A little like the sting,make believers out of people then sting hit them.

Crazy, i can go as far as seeing them not wanting anyhing to do with SBR ratings or SBR in general, but any half legitimate buisness must be able to give some sort of info out on there where abouts, THEY DON'T WANNA BE SEEN, only makes sense to pull off an elaborate scheme like this.

This isnt your everyday deposit only book......no no no .....this is much more elaborate........IMO everyone gets paid till somewhere early in football season, then the hammer comes down.

Crazy if i can leave you with some friendly advice no matter how this buisness or scam plays itself out, never leave big amounts there, at least be able to say they got you for a small amount.

My prediction is in the con ends during football season, if there still paying after next football season, i will happily say i was wrong.

JBC77.......2 great posts!!



gl all in mlb.........................AL

[PureGuava]

i would like to see some debit card reports tmrw afternoon if possible

[DukeJohn]

Al Masters, nice post...

I too wonder what their ultimate goal is, but I still signed up after the first reported payout was posted. I am still in the game and have yet to have to post-up or yet to request a payout. I have an extremely conservative money management strategy. I am moving forward nicely and should be requesting a payout before the end of the MLB season.

As for BBD not reporting payouts from CW, I first saw him state this in another post and thought it was odd. In the State of the Industry forum, I rarely see anything about CW anymore and was surprised to see all the talk still going strong. I personally would like to read only about actual experience people have had with them and not all this conflict about opinions who have not dealt directly with CW. Of course this is a forum and many opinions have some valid weight, but I am more referring to the attacks over and over, when CW seems to be acting in good faith, for now.

Anyway, please keep posting about CW. I for one, still have vested interest in their payouts and survival. I'm not sure if I will ever have to post-up, but getting pay outs without ever having to use my own money is some nice leverage.

Oh and one last thought, $1000 credit is nothing to a successful sports bettor. Only recreational bettors or those who are moving into the professional betting arena would be using them, which, of course, significantly increases CW's chances of survivor IMO

[Cloak & Dagger]

Originally Posted by Al Masters

Outside opinion regarding this thread

Im an old time sbr member who was saved from blowing 4k on betus some 2 years ago,by finding this place hours before making my deposit with them.

So i do have unconditional loyalty towards this site for that reason.

That said i chose not to really hang here,as i didn't like the direction things were
going in,seemed after the neteller fiasco and Pinny leaving the U.S, the content
here took a dramatic turn from educational to entertainment.

I like to think i was a regular contributer in the poker section here, for awhile.

As far as this thread goes i know a few things for sure other things are just my opinion.

Here goes the for sure, Crazy and BBD are the only 2 names here from way back when i was half a regular here, way back when mudcat was a mod here.

They were 2 extremely strong posters here albeit in different capacities, kinda sad to
come back and see them bickering at each other over different takes on this CW thing.

CRAZY is a good poster who has been here a long time,we had a few poker discussions, i can tell who ever thinks other wise he is no shill for this joint,
he's just giving you his opinion based on his expeience.

BBD was and probably is the best mod here ,always quick with to come with good info on any given subject,also very good in bringing the latest news directly here.

In my opinion 2 standout contributers to this forum.

That said (crazy) you may not like my opinion on this matter,and i hope i'm wrong,but i don't think so.i'm certainly not saying your experiences thus far haven't been positive, I BELIEVE EVERY WORD YOU HAVE SAID HERE IN THIS THREAD.

IT'S the players positive experience with the place that has to happen for the con to be able to work in the end, A little like an old time carnival trick called putting over the fence,you see back in the day a carnival would come into town for 2 weeks at a time with games that had money involved, for the 1st 5 days pay out all kinds of winners, they inturn would spread the news through out the neighbourhood, then they would bang out the others the following 10 days, thus being able to return the following year.

A little like the sting,make believers out of people then sting hit them.

Crazy, i can go as far as seeing them not wanting anyhing to do with SBR ratings or SBR in general, but any half legitimate buisness must be able to give some sort of info out on there where abouts, THEY DON'T WANNA BE SEEN, only makes sense to pull off an elaborate scheme like this.

This isnt your everyday deposit only book......no no no .....this is much more elaborate........IMO everyone gets paid till somewhere early in football season, then the hammer comes down.

Crazy if i can leave you with some friendly advice no matter how this buisness or scam plays itself out, never leave big amounts there, at least be able to say they got you for a small amount.

My prediction is in the con ends during football season, if there still paying after next football season, i will happily say i was wrong.

JBC77.......2 great posts!!



gl all in mlb.........................AL

[topcat]

Originally Posted by bigboydan

Their is no need to do that Crazyl, because I never said you were a shill. Like I told Rob above, I have noticed many of new shills as of late about this book. So I feel it's best not to try and decipher who is who, and just not report anything at all.

i wouldnt have your job for no about of money.from what i see you do a good job.

[topcat]

Originally Posted by Cloak & Dagger

great post.

[topcat]

Originally Posted by DukeJohn

Al Masters, nice post...

I too wonder what their ultimate goal is, but I still signed up after the first reported payout was posted. I am still in the game and have yet to have to post-up or yet to request a payout. I have an extremely conservative money management strategy. I am moving forward nicely and should be requesting a payout before the end of the MLB season.

As for BBD not reporting payouts from CW, I first saw him state this in another post and thought it was odd. In the State of the Industry forum, I rarely see anything about CW anymore and was surprised to see all the talk still going strong. I personally would like to read only about actual experience people have had with them and not all this conflict about opinions who have not dealt directly with CW. Of course this is a forum and many opinions have some valid weight, but I am more referring to the attacks over and over, when CW seems to be acting in good faith, for now.

Anyway, please keep posting about CW. I for one, still have vested interest in their payouts and survival. I'm not sure if I will ever have to post-up, but getting pay outs without ever having to use my own money is some nice leverage.

Oh and one last thought, $1000 credit is nothing to a successful sports bettor. Only recreational bettors or those who are moving into the professional betting arena would be using them, which, of course, significantly increases CW's chances of survivor IMO

i want to defend bbd on this.i can understand why he would take a wait ,and see aproach.this is a new book,with no phone number,nobody knows where they are from.its not that hard to tell people my company is fom england,or costa rico.plus nobody knows who owns this book.to many ifs for me,but i hope they sucede.bbd has a tough job,and i wouldnt want it.

[jjgold]

The majority of people playing at credit wagering are guys that are very low on funds, no high end or medium end players which scares me.

[robmpink]

Originally Posted by operaman

sbr shouldn't condone CR becuase the biz model is impossible. It is a simple confidence scam.

SBRs reputation is being hurt by allowing such an obvious scam to take place. The warnings SBR has given to readers concerning CR is insufficient to protect the image
of SBR and the pocketbooks of less informed players. You are an(The) industry watchdog. Its time to unleash the hounds.

p.s. Message to less informed readers: Robmpink is a shill. Don't take my word for it. Just do
a look up of all of his posts and form your own opinion. The only difference between him and the one post wonders is he posts his shillishit with more vigor and nuance.

Tonight I am in a better mood. P.S. Message to less informed readers Operaman is a homo sexual. He likes weekend walks on the beach with his sixteen year old boyfried, Brice. He really like Brice's vigor, especially when he receives.

[PureGuava]

SO did anyone use their debit card yet?????

[Cloak & Dagger]

Originally Posted by robmpink

Tonight I am in a better mood. P.S. Message to less informed readers Operaman is a homo sexual. He likes weekend walks on the beach with his sixteen year old boyfried, Brice. He really like Brice's vigor, especially when he receives.

oh no..a personal attack..you're gonna get banned

unless there is a bias for some 'people' here....

[Cannon]

Should I post $5000 so they have some money to pay you guys.

[Francis Sollozzo]

Originally Posted by PureGuava

SO did anyone use their debit card yet?????

Seems like another 24 hr delay on using CW's Debit Card , below is the email I got today

--------------------------------

XXXXXXXXX, I would like to congratulate you on being part of the first group that received a debit card from creditwagering.com. I am hopeful that your card will be active and loaded by noon est Wednesday.

Please excuse the delay as we are just working out all the little details of the cards and procedures. Monday being a holiday in England did not help. For the first 2 weeks we need to have the card in customers’ hands prior to activation and loading. This procedure has caused a slight delay. Each week you win and request a withdrawal, we will process the withdrawal on Wednesday and the funds should be on your card by Thursday noon est.

You have already been given your 4-digit pin to be used at atm machines and point of sale locations. Below you will find the url and online pin so that you can have access to your account and balance when ever you need it. You can withdraw $500 per day at atm machines and also spend $500 per day where ever debit cards are accepted.

The url to access your card is: {EDITED} Your online pin is: {EDITED} You will be able to login and access funds once the card is activated and loaded. If you have any further questions about the card, please let me know on live chat. George

[Cloak & Dagger]

Originally Posted by Cannon

Should I post $5000 so they have some money to pay you guys.

that would be half of what they started out with....

[robmpink]

Originally Posted by Cloak & Dagger

oh no..a personal attack..you're gonna get banned

unless there is a bias for some 'people' here....

Not a personal attack. I just gather that from his posts.

[CrazyLou]

Originally Posted by Al Masters

Outside opinion regarding this thread

Im an old time sbr member who was saved from blowing 4k on betus some 2 years ago,by finding this place hours before making my deposit with them.

So i do have unconditional loyalty towards this site for that reason.

That said i chose not to really hang here,as i didn't like the direction things were
going in,seemed after the neteller fiasco and Pinny leaving the U.S, the content
here took a dramatic turn from educational to entertainment.

I like to think i was a regular contributer in the poker section here, for awhile.

As far as this thread goes i know a few things for sure other things are just my opinion.

Here goes the for sure, Crazy and BBD are the only 2 names here from way back when i was half a regular here, way back when mudcat was a mod here.

They were 2 extremely strong posters here albeit in different capacities, kinda sad to
come back and see them bickering at each other over different takes on this CW thing.

CRAZY is a good poster who has been here a long time,we had a few poker discussions, i can tell who ever thinks other wise he is no shill for this joint,
he's just giving you his opinion based on his expeience.

BBD was and probably is the best mod here ,always quick with to come with good info on any given subject,also very good in bringing the latest news directly here.

In my opinion 2 standout contributers to this forum.

That said (crazy) you may not like my opinion on this matter,and i hope i'm wrong,but i don't think so.i'm certainly not saying your experiences thus far haven't been positive, I BELIEVE EVERY WORD YOU HAVE SAID HERE IN THIS THREAD.

IT'S the players positive experience with the place that has to happen for the con to be able to work in the end, A little like an old time carnival trick called putting over the fence,you see back in the day a carnival would come into town for 2 weeks at a time with games that had money involved, for the 1st 5 days pay out all kinds of winners, they inturn would spread the news through out the neighbourhood, then they would bang out the others the following 10 days, thus being able to return the following year.

A little like the sting,make believers out of people then sting hit them.

Crazy, i can go as far as seeing them not wanting anyhing to do with SBR ratings or SBR in general, but any half legitimate buisness must be able to give some sort of info out on there where abouts, THEY DON'T WANNA BE SEEN, only makes sense to pull off an elaborate scheme like this.

This isnt your everyday deposit only book......no no no .....this is much more elaborate........IMO everyone gets paid till somewhere early in football season, then the hammer comes down.

Crazy if i can leave you with some friendly advice no matter how this buisness or scam plays itself out, never leave big amounts there, at least be able to say they got you for a small amount.

My prediction is in the con ends during football season, if there still paying after next football season, i will happily say i was wrong.

JBC77.......2 great posts!!



gl all in mlb.........................AL

Good to see you posting again Al. I've checked by the poker forum a couple times but hadn't seen you. I enjoyed discussing poker with you although I'm probably a novice in comparison, I appreciate the words though bro.

As far as the CW deal, I can respect your position. Honestly, if I hadn't ever tried them out I'd probably share the same one, it's just hard to actually believe it when you've physically received payouts from them. I understand that's how some scams have been setup, and if that's the case I'll be the first to eat crow and admit I was suckered into thinking their intentions were good.

I personally have my doubts as to how long their biz model will allow them to operate, and while I would hope they continue to stay in business if they ultimately do shut down I'd hope it's gracefully (with balances honored). I guess time will ultimately tell, if things do play out as you suspect I would be frustrated but not shocked.

As far as BBD, there's no harder working mod here. He knows that I have respect for him, even if we occasionally bump heads.

The forums changed quite a bit but I hope you stick around and keep posting Al..

[VivaJG]

Nobody has used the debit cards yet?

[robmpink]

Originally Posted by crazyl

Good to see you posting again Al. I've checked by the poker forum a couple times but hadn't seen you. I enjoyed discussing poker with you although I'm probably a novice in comparison, I appreciate the words though bro.

As far as the CW deal, I can respect your position. Honestly, if I hadn't ever tried them out I'd probably share the same one, it's just hard to actually believe it when you've physically received payouts from them. I understand that's how some scams have been setup, and if that's the case I'll be the first to eat crow and admit I was suckered into thinking their intentions were good.

I personally have my doubts as to how long their biz model will allow them to operate, and while I would hope they continue to stay in business if they ultimately do shut down I'd hope it's gracefully (with balances honored). I guess time will ultimately tell, if things do play out as you suspect I would be frustrated but not shocked.

As far as BBD, there's no harder working mod here. He knows that I have respect for him, even if we occasionally bump heads.

The forums changed quite a bit but I hope you stick around and keep posting Al..

I wonder how long the business model will last. Lets say during football they fold overnight. The damage will be minimal compared to BOS and other books shutting down w/ peoples funds. I don't think anyone who has said good things about them is oblivious to the risks. I could report about my payouts but that doesn't mean they can't just pack up shop.

[VivaJG]

Please keep up updated on your status.

Originally Posted by Francis Sollozzo

Seems like another 24 hr delay on using CW's Debit Card , below is the email I got today

--------------------------------

XXXXXXXXX, I would like to congratulate you on being part of the first group that received a debit card from creditwagering.com. I am hopeful that your card will be active and loaded by noon est Wednesday.

Please excuse the delay as we are just working out all the little details of the cards and procedures. Monday being a holiday in England did not help. For the first 2 weeks we need to have the card in customers’ hands prior to activation and loading. This procedure has caused a slight delay. Each week you win and request a withdrawal, we will process the withdrawal on Wednesday and the funds should be on your card by Thursday noon est.

You have already been given your 4-digit pin to be used at atm machines and point of sale locations. Below you will find the url and online pin so that you can have access to your account and balance when ever you need it. You can withdraw $500 per day at atm machines and also spend $500 per day where ever debit cards are accepted.

The url to access your card is: {EDITED} Your online pin is: {EDITED} You will be able to login and access funds once the card is activated and loaded. If you have any further questions about the card, please let me know on live chat. George

[VivaJG]

Francis Sollozzo, any updates on your debit card and if it works?

[Iwinyourmoney]

Originally Posted by VivaJG

Francis Sollozzo, any updates on your debit card and if it works?

Per Live Chat, they should be ready to roll Thursday. The bank is loading them all and so on. When I am able to make my 1st ATM withdraw from them (when the card gets loaded), I will post it. I may even do a vid of while Im at the ATM. Just turn the card on and we are good to go

[VivaJG]

Cool thanks for the update. I stopped playing there after I got my first check but I just started up again.... so curious on if they are still paying.