[Thor4140]

JJ you still think Lebron is superman? All you have to do is have someone with some balls to cover him and you will find out he is a mediocre shooter. Now that everyone is getting to watch the whole game and not a 30 second dunkfest late night on ESPN what ya think? Now im comparing him to Jordan because that is who he pretends to be. Can the press blame this loss on the Cleveland team again since they lost in order to protect Lebron's feelings? I lost all respect for Mike Fratello tonight. His blatant assing kissing of Lebron made me want to puke. Is everyone in the league instructed to only talk highly about him? Hell even Barkley now is blaming it on the Cleveland coaching staff. Even Barkley has become a shill.

[Tsoprano]

He couldnt even make a layup at the end tonight. Costed them the game, Jordan never did that.

[Stacocakes]

Lebron is a good player but his jump shot is horrible. He gets most of his points driving the lane. Still think he is one of the better players in the league though.To guard him you just have to force him to shoot from the outside and he is done

[BrUno0]

Lebron is a good player, no doubt, how can you hate on the guy? He's great, maybe he doesn't have the best jumper, or what ever else you want to throw at him, but hes a good player, and you cannot deny that, and if you do, you're retarded.

The guy is no Kobe Bryant, but who is? Kobe is the best player in the NBA, i mean not everyone can do everything, besides Kobe.

[jjgold]

3 guys were on him the whole game

He makes a few layups and they win

His effect on the game is unreal

Look at score

[pat venditto]

nah celtics are gonna beat the cavs badly in game 2. they are gonna up the tempo and score the usual 97-100 points and they are gonna bury lebron's cavs by like 18. they underachieved greatly last night. people may say lebron under achieved which is true but dont expect zylgaukas to score 25 again which will make up for lebrons missteps. z will score like 12 and they will get burried big time. bostons defense is too good.

[Thor4140]

3 guys were on him the whole game

He makes a few layups and they win

His effect on the game is unreal

Look at score

three guys shit. What they find three plays last night with three guys on him? Every excuse in the world is made up for this kid. I guess Jordan never had a double team in his life. The guy wants to be called a king and he wants to wear number 23 he ought to take some tough love. Those finals last year he was shooting so bad that Bruce Bowen was daring him to shoot. 3 guys on him lol. Is that how ESPN is spinning it today? I guess they found the three plays so they put them in that all important highlight real at the end of the night and everyone falls for it.

[onlooker]

Lebron is King.

[mofome]

Lebron is what, 12 years old? hes the most talented player in the league, his shot is improving, and he can get to the lane when he wants. the refs, and being a cry baby, make it hard to like him, however.

[Thor4140]

Lebron is what, 12 years old? hes the most talented player in the league, his shot is improving, and he can get to the lane when he wants. the refs, and being a cry baby, make it hard to like him, however.

Mo i think it is more the NBA then Lebron but it has now gone to his head. These announcers won't say one bad thing about him. You would think his game is perfect. Fratello was making every excuse in the book for him last night. You go to ESPN and every night the same thing. He blew to key layups last night and one in the Wizzard series and all three were easy shots but its always something. He was fouled,triple teamed etc. Just say he missed it for goodness sakes and move on. They have so much money tied up in him that they have to shill for him every night but what is sad is people are suckers for a shill job. You put a good defender on him and give the defender a chance without some bullshit ticky tack fouls and he gets shut down almost every time. You take away his power game and he is just an above average player. It was nice to see the Wizzard try it at times. You rarely see anyone in this league try it. Cleveland is not a bad team. They are mediocre with some decent players. How could people say Iggy stinks? He is one of the top centers in the league. That is not saying much in this league but he gives an honest effort. How many teams would like to have him at center? Gibson is a nice outside shooter as is Wally. The way the press talks you would think Lebron is surrounded by 11 stiffs. When Cleveland loses its the teams fault. When they win its all Lebron the King.

[mofome]

I can't even watch the cavs play; its embarrassing.

[Panic]

Mo i think it is more the NBA then Lebron but it has now gone to his head. These announcers won't say one bad thing about him. You would think his game is perfect. Fratello was making every excuse in the book for him last night. You go to ESPN and every night the same thing. He blew to key layups last night and one in the Wizzard series and all three were easy shots but its always something. He was fouled,triple teamed etc. Just say he missed it for goodness sakes and move on. They have so much money tied up in him that they have to shill for him every night but what is sad is people are suckers for a shill job. You put a good defender on him and give the defender a chance without some bullshit ticky tack fouls and he gets shut down almost every time. You take away his power game and he is just an above average player. It was nice to see the Wizzard try it at times. You rarely see anyone in this league try it. Cleveland is not a bad team. They are mediocre with some decent players. How could people say Iggy stinks? He is one of the top centers in the league. That is not saying much in this league but he gives an honest effort. How many teams would like to have him at center? Gibson is a nice outside shooter as is Wally. The way the press talks you would think Lebron is surrounded by 11 stiffs. When Cleveland loses its the teams fault. When they win its all Lebron the King.

You cant make statements like that without saying it for everyone. How about if you took away Shaq's power in his prime? Or how about take away Kobe's jumpshot?

MJ didnt make the Finals until he was 28, this kid did it in his fourth year at the age of 22. The last person I can think of that took his team to the Finals at such a young age and got swept was Shaq. His career turned out allright and he still couldn't hit a free throw to save his life. This guy will be something special, dont kid yourselves on thinking differently.

[freeVICK]

lebron got nothing on MJ

[Panic]

5th year stats for both players:

MJ: 32,8,8
LeBron: 30,8,7

I wouldn't say LeBron has nothing on him. Is he MJ? No. But I think his game is more compareable to Magic than Jordan, anyway.

[purecarnagge]

Lebron is just a MJ wannabie that gets most of his buckets around the paint. I don't care how athletic he is or how "gifted" he is. He can't make a jump shot, and he cry's about fouls. This is when MJ played against the hack a attack knicks multiple times pers year. When the knicks fouled so much the refs just stopped calling it. There is the famous clip of MJ driblling out of a double team into ewing coming over and around the 3 guys and scoring. Lebron can't do that. The only Lebron does is slash to the lane get fouled and make free throws.

I'm not saying Lebron isn't good, but he isn't exciting to watch on TV and he isn't MJ

[Bill Dozer]

Have to agree with Thor. On paper and in highlights Kobe and LJ look Jordan-like but I can't remember Jordan ever get shut down in playoff game like they have.

[Thor4140]

You cant make statements like that without saying it for everyone. How about if you took away Shaq's power in his prime? Or how about take away Kobe's jumpshot?

MJ didnt make the Finals until he was 28, this kid did it in his fourth year at the age of 22. The last person I can think of that took his team to the Finals at such a young age and got swept was Shaq. His career turned out allright and he still couldn't hit a free throw to save his life. This guy will be something special, dont kid yourselves on thinking differently.

Yeah he did it all by himself. Gibson wasn't banging those threes during that series. Maybe it was Billups awful play that carried that series? They laid down for James to get to the finals just like Detroit did for the leagues other agenda (Miami)) and that was to promote Wade. Hell even Rasheed said it in an article. MJ not making the finals? Are you even going there? MJ didn't have a god awful east to conted with. He had guys like BIrd, Barkley, Erving, Wilkins to deal with.

[mofome]

if lebron can play this poorly and the cavs can still hang around, you have to think they can keep it close from here out. Lebron turned 23 years old in December, Mike wasn't an MVP at 23, hell he didnt even play most of the year at 23; i don't think he even made 20% of his 3's until his 5th season in the league. When Jordan was 24 he averaged 5 board, 4 and a half assists, and 3.3 turnovers a game. Of course, that season Jordan scored 37 a game, but he was swept by...ah, the C's and another Laker won the MVP. Lebron is at 30/8/7 with 3.4 turnovers a game and a year younger, give him some time.


Jordan is the best of all time, but Lebron will be just fine.

[mofome]

Yeah he did it all by himself. Gibson wasn't banging those threes during that series. Maybe it was Billups awful play that carried that series? They laid down for James to get to the finals just like Detroit did for the leagues other agenda (Miami)) and that was to promote Wade. Hell even Rasheed said it in an article. MJ not making the finals? Are you even going there? MJ didn't have a god awful east to conted with. He had guys like BIrd, Barkley, Erving, Wilkins to deal with.

Gibson is useless without Lebron. he gets wide open set shot 3s when people collapse on James.

[Thor4140]

I can't even watch the cavs play; its embarrassing.

I agree with this Mo but did you ever say this with any of the BUlls teams Jordan was on? Even before Pippen arrived? That is kind of my point. Any team Jordan was ever on they had a shot to win. I don't get that same feelings with James. The East today is a joke. Back then it was no joke.

[mofome]

I agree with this Mo but did you ever say this with any of the BUlls teams Jordan was on? Even before Pippen arrived? That is kind of my point. Any team Jordan was ever on they had a shot to win. I don't get that same feelings with James. The East today is a joke. Back then it was no joke.

Never said that. that was when hoops was at its finest. I loved watching Jordan and every series he was in. I loved the games with the suns and the blazers...all of it was awesome.

[Thor4140]

You cant make statements like that without saying it for everyone. How about if you took away Shaq's power in his prime? Or how about take away Kobe's jumpshot?

MJ didnt make the Finals until he was 28, this kid did it in his fourth year at the age of 22. The last person I can think of that took his team to the Finals at such a young age and got swept was Shaq. His career turned out allright and he still couldn't hit a free throw to save his life. This guy will be something special, dont kid yourselves on thinking differently.

If you took away Shaq power game he would be in the WWE. If you took away Kobe's Jumper you would have a great defender who could finish any play he wants. If you took away Lebrons power game you would have Jason Kid lol.

[Panic]

Yeah he did it all by himself. Gibson wasn't banging those threes during that series. Maybe it was Billups awful play that carried that series? They laid down for James to get to the finals just like Detroit did for the leagues other agenda (Miami)) and that was to promote Wade. Hell even Rasheed said it in an article. MJ not making the finals? Are you even going there? MJ didn't have a god awful east to conted with. He had guys like BIrd, Barkley, Erving, Wilkins to deal with.

Yeah, I'm going there. Give LeBron a top 50 player in his prime, and the best rebounder in his prime and Phil Jackson as coach, then you can stick him in the hardest coference you want and lets see what happens. You seem like you want to make every reason for why LeBron got to the Finals, but none have to do with his talent. Lets wait til his career is finished to have this debate. To sit here after Jordan has accomplished what he did and compare it to a 23 year old kid isnt really fair to LeBron now is it? And once again, let me re iterate, I see LeBron's game more comparable to Magic than I eve would to Jordan's.

[Panic]

If you took away Shaq power game he would be in the WWE. If you took away Kobe's Jumper you would have a great defender who could finish any play he wants. If you took away Lebrons power game you would have Jason Kid lol.

LOL. Take away Kobe's jumper and he would still be the best? LOL. Now I get it. You're a Laker fan aren't you?

[Thor4140]

When the coach designs a play for James at the end of the game James says "okay coach" and you cross your fingers and hope for a foul. When the coach designed a play for Jordan at the end of the game Jordan would look at his teammates and say "okay everyone get the fuk out of my way"

[mofome]

When the coach designs a play for James at the end of the game James says "okay coach" and you cross your fingers and hope for a foul. When the coach designed a play for Jordan at the end of the game Jordan would look at his teamates and say "okay everyone get the fuk out of my way"

[Panic]

When the coach designs a play for James at the end of the game James says "okay coach" and you cross your fingers and hope for a foul. When the coach designed a play for Jordan at the end of the game Jordan would look at his teammates and say "okay everyone get the fuk out of my way"

No argument, but I dont think I've seen anyone on here disagreeing with what Jordan did. My point is LeBron is still 23 and he is more of a Magic style player than Jordan style. Kobe is a Jordan style.

[Thor4140]

LOL. Take away Kobe's jumper and he would still be the best? LOL. Now I get it. You're a Laker fan aren't you?

Panic who said the best? I said a great defender. At the end of games go look where Jackson puts KObe. Do you see Lebron guarding the teams best player down the stretch? No im not a Lakers or Kobe fan. Silly shit with you.

[Thor4140]

No argument, but I dont think I've seen anyone on here disagreeing with what Jordan did. My point is LeBron is still 23 and he is more of a Magic style player than Jordan style. Kobe is a Jordan style.

then he should have wore 32 and stop asking people to call him "the King"

[Panic]

Panic who said the best? I said a great defender. At the end of games go look where Jackson puts KObe. Do you see Lebron guarding the teams best player down the stretch? No im not a Lakers or Kobe fan. Silly shit with you.

Since you're not getting what I'm saying, should I then turn around and say look at LeBrons assist or rebound average, Kobe cant touch that? Same thing youre doing. They both have strenghts, but they are two different type of players.

[Thor4140]

Yeah, I'm going there. Give LeBron a top 50 player in his prime, and the best rebounder in his prime and Phil Jackson as coach, then you can stick him in the hardest coference you want and lets see what happens. You seem like you want to make every reason for why LeBron got to the Finals, but none have to do with his talent. Lets wait til his career is finished to have this debate. To sit here after Jordan has accomplished what he did and compare it to a 23 year old kid isnt really fair to LeBron now is it? And once again, let me re iterate, I see LeBron's game more comparable to Magic than I eve would to Jordan's.

Nobody is saying Lebron is a bad player. He is a very good player.

[Bill Dozer]

if lebron can play this poorly and the cavs can still hang around, you have to think they can keep it close from here out.

The Celts offense looks horrible. No penetration. They should be big underdogs if they face the Hornets or Lakers.

[Panic]

then he should have wore 32 and stop asking people to call him "the King"

AGREED! I'm with you there.