[MadCapper]

Whether it be dealing from the bottom of the deck or playing in collusion with a buddy of yours?

I'm sure some people here have done this at one time or another.

Where you ever caught? What were the consequences?

[pokernut9999]

No but I played with guys that cheated years ago. Took awhile to catch on to what they were doing and when I confronted them of course they denied it. After the confrontation they quit winning for some odd reason.

[MadCapper]

No but I played with guys that cheated years ago. Took awhile to catch on to what they were doing and when I confronted them of course they denied it. After the confrontation they quit winning for some odd reason.

Ive been a victim of that too!

[SBR Lou]

The only game I've cheated at, that I can easily recall, would be playing monopoly. Don't trust me around the bank. Cheating cards for money is low class and scummy.

[pokernut9999]

One of the guys had a big silver card marker that he always had placed right under the deck when dealing. The reflection
was enough to tell at least face cards or aces. When playing high low you had to declare after last bet if you were going for high or low and if you went both ways you had to win both ways or you lose period. Dumbass rule but was their house rule. Well you declared with one chip for low and 2 chips for high and no chips were both ways. So guys grab chips and put them under table to hide in hand to declare. Two guys would always take forever and never once went same way assuring them half the pot always.

[MadCapper]

Have you ever took some chips from a person sitting next to you?

[purecarnagge]

The last guy to cheat at cards in our sunday game I use to attend. Didn't go to work for a week after the beating Cory gave him. Cory's about to become his brother in law too so he couldn't really do shit about it either.

[Kellen]

Ive done a little collusion while playing online before and Im sure everyone else has too.

[jjgold]

Not me, not worth the hassle and low rate of return.

[twtb19]

Nope, usually just play cards with friends and that would be messed up if you cheat playing with friends. Online there are guys like me every now and then drunk playing, just take our money fair and square is all I ask.

[SBR Lou]

Ive done a little collusion while playing online before and Im sure everyone else has too.

Online is different. Once you get to know some of the players you play with every day, get them on AIM etc, sometimes they have a way of telling you their cards like it's no big deal. I went with it because it's the internet but I didn't play in such a way that was obvious, or ever "split the money" etc. I just went about my hands and occasionally let them know when to fold. I lied about it a few times in heads up pots though.

[JoshW]

All this talk of online collusion doesn't speak well to the fairness of online poker.

Games have always been big in my family, so I have grown up without a thought of cheating.

I have in the past seen another players cards at a live game. I warn them if I see it, but if a player flashes them in an obvious manner, I will use that information against them.

[5 star bomb]

Ive done a little collusion while playing online before and Im sure everyone else has too.

Same here

[LVHerbie]

All this talk of online collusion doesn't speak well to the fairness of online poker.

Games have always been big in my family, so I have grown up without a thought of cheating.

I have in the past seen another players cards at a live game. I warn them if I see it, but if a player flashes them in an obvious manner, I will use that information against them.

I think is pretty commonly accepted that when you play online that you're going to get colluded against at some point... It all comes down to if you're making money or not and if you aren't, just like any other gambling venture, you shouldn't be playing... I don't think (actually I know) that isn't so bad that if you are half decent you can make money...

The one good thing about playing online is that the house has access to all the hole cards... if you see anything suspiciuos you should obviously report it because it shouldn't be to hard for the site to detect things like this since they can look at all the hole cards... theorically it should be easier to detect then if people were playing live...

I was playing a sit and go one time and when it got down to three players the other two players kept making wierd raises that would keep their chipstacks equal... I was supicious and sharkscoped them and they played together in the every tourney I was able to look at... Needless to say I reported them and the site (fulltilt) gave me 1st place money... (I finished third)... On the one hand it was nice to get the money but still it makes you supsicious of them when they say they have software to detech this kind of thing and I was able to see what they were doing without having access to all the shit that the site has access too...

Anyhow, IMO, in utimately comes down to if you are making money or not... If you are keep playing if not I would find something better to do with your time (and money)...

[SBR Lou]

The problem is there's absolutely no way to enforce a "one person per hand" policy online. Sites can't stop players from communicating on the phone, on AIM, at each others house etc. All they can do is try to detect suspicious betting activity, monitor for software exploits etc, I can tell you they have pretty advanced technology in place and sites like Poker Stars do bust colluders routinely.

[2Pac]

I've colluded with a friend online when we were both still amateurs, back in the PartyPoker days of 2004. I'm still an amateur. He has gone on to turn the instantbankroll.com money into over 700 thousand dollars. Un-fukking-real.

I colluded with another friend during a live game, but we were pretty bad at it and got signals mixed up.

I have taken friends folded cards before to make better hands. That has worked the best.

I don't play anymore. I think poker is for douchebags. Its funny how people are trying to turn it into a "sport".

[2Pac]

The problem is there's absolutely no way to enforce a "one person per hand" policy online. Sites can't stop players from communicating on the phone, on AIM, at each others house etc. All they can do is try to detect suspicious betting activity, monitor for software exploits etc, I can tell you they have pretty advanced technology in place and sites like Poker Stars do bust colluders routinely.

Some sites SAY they do "screen scrapes", which basically means they take a picture of your screen to see if you are using a program such as AIM to discuss the poker game.

Whether they actually do this, I'm not sure.

[LVHerbie]

I actually saw a regular give an all in motion while lipping all in across the table to another regular when he was playing a hand against a crazy... I went and told the room manager and he came back like thirty minutes later and told me there wasn't anything they could do because they didn't have a camera on the table at the time... I was pissed and left but I wish I would have just called them out in front of the whole table...

If people know what they are doing live you probably have zero chance of catching them unless they are just completely obvious...

[madmaxx]

we were playing at the riviera during the NCAA tourney and when i got back to the table after smoking my buddy who was in the seat next to me goes "i took $100 from your stack i'll pay you later" ... which made me wonder if anyone not so friendly had done that to me. he was wasted too so he couldnt have been too sly about it, the dealers are just clueless.
Once playing at the tropicana (easiest poker room in vegas) me, a friend and this other dude were blatantly showing eachother our cards pre-flop and the dealers didnt even care. Its immoral but we figured eventually someone would tell us to stop, never did.

[pokerislife]

Online is different. Once you get to know some of the players you play with every day, get them on AIM etc, sometimes they have a way of telling you their cards like it's no big deal. I went with it because it's the internet but I didn't play in such a way that was obvious, or ever "split the money" etc. I just went about my hands and occasionally let them know when to fold. I lied about it a few times in heads up pots though.

Classic! I have been asked to collude with guys I play online with also but still have not. After the Absolute Poker scandal I am more inclined to do so and is why 60 Minutes is looking into this

[LVHerbie]

we were playing at the riviera during the NCAA tourney and when i got back to the table after smoking my buddy who was in the seat next to me goes "i took $100 from your stack i'll pay you later" ... which made me wonder if anyone not so friendly had done that to me. he was wasted too so he couldnt have been too sly about it, the dealers are just clueless.
Once playing at the tropicana (easiest poker room in vegas) me, a friend and this other dude were blatantly showing eachother our cards pre-flop and the dealers didnt even care. Its immoral but we figured eventually someone would tell us to stop, never did.

The dealers is suppose to watch any chips in front of empty seats but it is obviously hard for them to do with other shit always going on... You should also count your stack before you take a break and, at most places, you can take any bills you have on the table with you are they are harder for the dealer to keep an eye on... Some places have clear boxes they can stick over the chips but I only seen them used occasionally after someone has been gone for an especially long time...