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    Default Torii Hunter - racist?

    http://www.latimes.com/sports/printe...,3718671.story


    Angels center fielder Torii Hunter was called a racist for his remarks last season about too many players, and an entire team with no black players, wearing Jackie Robinson's No. 42.

    "I didn't know I was a racist. I've never been a racist," Hunter says.

    His remarks about race in baseball last season, when he was with Minnesota, elicited criticism, some of which he called 'a little scary.'

    It is easy, too easy in our culture, to condemn a man without hearing him out. One sound bite, one click, and judgment is passed.

    Torii Hunter sits at his locker, his eyes widening as he tells this story. He is a man of enormous compassion and abundant laughter, as popular among his peers as any player.

    We do not need a presidential election to learn that race still is an issue in this country, an uncomfortable issue. As baseball celebrated Jackie Robinson and his legacy last year, Hunter said something -- absolutely relevant, certainly debatable, possibly provocative.

    In return for his opinion, he got hate. In return for his honesty, he got labeled a racist, more than once.

    "That was a little scary," he said. "I didn't know I was a racist. I've never been a racist."

    He did not mention race, any race, in what he said. But he did not have the chance to explain, to put his remarks into the context of race, of baseball and of Jackie Robinson. It is easier, of course, to brand a man a racist than to hear him out.

    So let us hear him, and disagree with him, and hear him out again.

    In 1997, 50 years after Robinson broke baseball's color barrier, Commissioner Bud Selig ordered every team to retire Robinson's No. 42.

    In 2007, Ken Griffey Jr. asked permission to wear No. 42 on the annual Jackie Robinson Day.

    Selig loved the idea and invited other players to join in. On some clubs, one player wore No. 42. On other clubs, several players did. On still others, every player did.

    This is what Hunter said, to USA Today: "This is supposed to be an honor, and just a handful of guys wearing the number. Now you've got entire teams doing it. I think we're killing the meaning.

    "It should be special wearing Jackie's number, not just because it looks cool."

    What upset Hunter, he says now, was this: The Houston Astros had no black players on their team last April, and yet the entire team wore No. 42.

    "That got it away from, 'OK, we don't have any blacks,' " he said.

    To Hunter, a roster with no black players did not represent the progress for which Robinson stood, and baseball celebrated.

    "When you have a team that doesn't have any African American players on the team, and then everybody on the team wears it, yes, it's watered down, because they don't have blacks to represent Jackie Robinson over there," Hunter said.

    "It's pretty weird. That's just my opinion."

    Selig does not share that opinion.

    "It transcends all that," he said. "Jackie Robinson coming into baseball is the most powerful and most meaningful moment in baseball history. To honor Jackie Robinson by wearing his number, I think, is the greatest compliment you can pay."

    Symbolism is powerful, and this picture would be worth 60 years of words: As teams line up to commemorate Jackie Robinson Day, six decades after his debut, look at a team with no black players, with no one wearing No. 42.

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    I see all the headlines today-number of black players in the majors falls AGAIN!
    I dont remember seeing any headlines when basketball and football teams became 88.5% black.
    The only people interested in complaining abou this kind of thing are the people who actually do see colours instead of people first.
    People like Torii Hunter and Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.
    That is all.

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    Just because he doesn't like it doesn't mean other people shouldn't be allowed to do it. This is a perfect example of the certain group of blacks who whine just to push the race card.

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    Here we go again... This isn't the online forum for racial justice & equality. Scrap all these racial/racist/race posts and get back to the real reasons why we post here: gambling, handicapping, and getting paid. I had to learn that lesson the hard way, but guess what?

    LESSON LEARNED.
    Last edited by willyback; 04-15-08 at 12:34 PM.

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    I agree with Willyback. Not much good can happen from these types of posts but alot of bad could happen.Best to just not start them
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    I am personally tired of it.

    And then today, there was an article in the local Tampa paper with Alicia Keys who claims that gangsta rap was created by the government so that blacks would kill each other.

    WHAT??

    First of all, Ms. Keys....you are more white than you are black.

    Has anyone seen her mother?






    Getting back to this Torii Hunter mess. Jackie Robinson should be celebrated for breaking the barriers for ALL minorities, not just blacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stacocakes View Post
    I agree with Willyback. Not much good can happen from these types of posts but alot of bad could happen.Best to just not start them
    So let me get this straight....because something has racial undertones, it should not be discussed? Even if it pertains to sports?

    I don't think so.

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    I'm not saying it shouldn't be discussed I am saying that it is best if it is not discussed because someone will eventually say something that is out of line and then other people will jump in on it and then you have a thread that has 85 posts of people going back and forth about it.
    As willy stated earlier, this is a gambling messageboard and its about talking about the games for theday,strategies to winning, different types of sportsbooks. Whether a player feels a certain way or not doesn't really influence the boxscore at the end of the game.
    Just my two cents.If people don't agree they can continue to post in this thread and talk about it and I will just look at another thread on here.No biggie
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    I am not looking to fight with you or anyone else...but I think that people have been round and round about the purpose of the Players Talk area.

    Had I posted this int he MLB forum, I could see your argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robyn View Post
    So let me get this straight....because something has racial undertones, it should not be discussed? Even if it pertains to sports?

    I don't think so.
    I do. Race is a "hot button" issue for too many people (especially on this forum). You're already challenging the previous statement. None of us agree on race so, why even discuss it. We barely agree on who has the best picks tonight (lol).

    It's a waste of time. Let it go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stacocakes View Post
    I'm not saying it shouldn't be discussed I am saying that it is best if it is not discussed because someone will eventually say something that is out of line and then other people will jump in on it and then you have a thread that has 85 posts of people going back and forth about it.
    As willy stated earlier, this is a gambling messageboard and its about talking about the games for theday,strategies to winning, different types of sportsbooks. Whether a player feels a certain way or not doesn't really influence the boxscore at the end of the game.
    Just my two cents.If people don't agree they can continue to post in this thread and talk about it and I will just look at another thread on here.No biggie
    Smart post. Diplomacy is the best policy on this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willyback View Post
    I do. Race is a "hot button" issue for too many people (especially on this forum). You're already challenging the previous statement. None of us agree on race so, why even discuss it. We barely agree on who has the best picks tonight (lol).

    It's a waste of time. Let it go.
    Let's talk about religion and politics instead

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    There you have it folks, we're only allowed to talk about things that everyone agrees on.

    Puppies are cute. I'm pretty sure everyone can agree on that. Also, rainbows are colorful. Discuss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sportsgirl View Post
    Let's talk about religion and politics instead
    LOL

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    Or we could all talk about my boobs....because that seems to be something that is ok to talk about.

    BORING!

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    Quote Originally Posted by swede96 View Post
    There you have it folks, we're only allowed to talk about things that everyone agrees on.

    Puppies are cute. I'm pretty sure everyone can agree on that. Also, rainbows are colorful. Discuss.
    I agree that puppies are cute, but, it really can't go without saying that Max is the cutest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robyn View Post
    Or we could all talk about my boobs....because that seems to be something that is ok to talk about.

    BORING!
    Or how about the fact that we're men. I think I saw that horse move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robyn View Post
    Or we could all talk about my boobs....because that seems to be something that is ok to talk about.

    BORING!
    Boring conversation is good conversation - NSA/CIA/FBI approved conversation - "no phone taps, search warrants, or criminal record inquiries are required for said converstaions."

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    Torii Hunter's black, ergo he cannot be a racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robyn View Post
    I am personally tired of it.

    And then today, there was an article in the local Tampa paper with Alicia Keys who claims that gangsta rap was created by the government so that blacks would kill each other.

    WHAT??

    First of all, Ms. Keys....you are more white than you are black.

    Has anyone seen her mother?






    Getting back to this Torii Hunter mess. Jackie Robinson should be celebrated for breaking the barriers for ALL minorities, not just blacks.
    ALICIA KEYS HOT!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willie Bee View Post
    Torii Hunter's black, ergo he cannot be a racist.
    this type of sht pisses me off. blacks can say whatever they want and get away with it yet when a white person says something somewhat racist like that radio guy that said nappy headed hoes. he gets picketed outside his studio until he gets fired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by treece View Post
    this type of sht pisses me off. blacks can say whatever they want and get away with it yet when a white person says something somewhat racist like that radio guy that said nappy headed hoes. he gets picketed outside his studio until he gets fired.
    That's not necessarily true. Rush Limbagh and Howard Stern get away with a plethora of highly questionable, racially charged on-air comments (not only against blacks, but a multitude of other races as well; pretty much anything that's non-white).

    As for "Imus in the Morning," Don Imus still received a handsome settlement on the remainder of his broadcasting contract (not to mention - he's back on the commercial radio airwaves). Don't let the Al Sharpton inspired protests fool you, Imus came out of that situation pretty well (all things considered).

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    I am a little glad that for once a story of racism involves a black person being racist towards white people. You just don't see that.

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    Swede, we are seeing more and more of it every day. But it's ok, because they are black.

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    I can't wait for Sharpton to get wind of this and call everyone who agrees with that article DOUBLE racists!

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    Quote Originally Posted by swede96 View Post
    I can't wait for Sharpton to get wind of this and call everyone who agrees with that article DOUBLE racists!
    There is no bigger racist than good ol' Al.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swede96 View Post
    I am a little glad that for once a story of racism involves a black person being racist towards white people. You just don't see that.
    The reason you don't see it is because it doesn't exist. Blacks cannot be racists, just like women can never commit sexual harassment and female teachers will never sleep with their students. C'mon, Swede, wake up!


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    Quote Originally Posted by cobra_king View Post
    There is no bigger racist than good ol' Al.


    Exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willie Bee View Post
    The reason you don't see it is because it doesn't exist. Blacks cannot be racists, just like women can never commit sexual harassment and female teachers will never sleep with their students. C'mon, Swede, wake up!

    Please, you guys love it when the cute secretary "accidentally" brushes her boobies on you...and you know you wanted to bang that hot new English teacher youe senior year.

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    I'll have to show you my high school yearbook sometime, Swede. I don't recall one teacher at the school that caused any loin-stirring on me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJFtheGenius View Post
    hunter hates white people
    It's not a question of Hunter hating white people. I think that posters are unfairly accusing him of racism.

    Hunter is merely pointing out a simple flaw in the system. If a team doesn't have any black players (in the first place), the implication could be made that said team's hiring pollicies are not necessarily pro-racial diversification (black talent might not be a viable option for their rosters - for whatever reason). Therefore, it's kind of hipocritical for said team to wear the number 42 in honor of a black player who risked his life for league intergration. If said team was truly dedicated to Jackie Robinson's vision of a racially diverse league then they'd hire black players in the first place. Said team would insist upon having black talent on their rosters whether the MLB liked it or not.

    That's all that Hunter's saying. He's pointing out hipocracy.

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