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Old 03-27-08, 03:31 PM   #1
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There was a recent thread here -

WSEX says "Bend over and cough"

wherein a poster described having taken a 2x rollover bonus offer at WSEX, but he was denied it and told it was a 10x rollover until the WSEX employee posting here as "WSEX" got it correct.

I am having a similar problem.

On WSEX's "Cashier" section, there has been a longstanding offer for a 10% bonus, $500 max, for depositors sending a bankwire.

It was a 10% bonus with a 2x rollover when I first noticed it. It took awhile for me to get around to sending it, and when I was about to in Nov/Dec 2007 the rollover had been changed to 5x (10% bonus).

At the end of December I noticed it was back to 2x rollover (bonus was always 10% with $500 max), and I took a screen shot of the offer, then wired in my deposit.

Awhile after that, but after the bankwire was posted to my account, I noticed that the rollover had gone back again to 5x (10% remained constant thru all of the above).

When I read the post here that I linked to above, I thought that I better get it clarified, so that WSEX in the future gets it correct and I don't have a problem similar to the poster in the linked thread.

I emailed them, and was told that I had a 5x rollover.

I sent an email with an attachment of the screen shot I'd taken at the time they received my deposit, clearly showing that WSEX webpage with the 10% and 2x rollover stated.

I received an email back from a supervisor in accounts (Barbara), stating that they never had a 10% 2x rollover, and stating "I am not sure where you copied that attachment from but allot of the information is incorrect...".

I found this odd, as the shot I sent is clearly of the WSEX "Cashier" Deposit page.

I sent another email, and on 3/22 Barbara emailed me that she was sending my screenshot to their tech dept.


There was no followup for 5 days (I also sent Barbara another email on 3/24 and got no response), so today I called and spoke to another accounts supervisor there (Judy).

I asked her if she was familiar with my situation.

First she said "Yes, you are the customer who was promised a 20% bonus with a 2x rollover."

I corrected her and told her it was TEN % bonus, 2x rollover.

I asked her if it had been resolved, and she said yes, and that Barbara had sent me an email verifying the 2x rollover.

I checked while she was on the phone and told her I'd received no such email.

She asked me to hold, then came back and now she denied that there was ever a 10% 2x rollover bonus, and denied that the rollover had ever changed back and forth from 5x to 2x.

She said "Would you prefer that we remove the bonus from your account if you are unhappy with the rollover?"

IMO this comment was a veiled threat, rude, and simply horrible cs.

I asked her how she explains the screen shot showing the 10% 2x rollover, and she said that it's been edited. (I.e., I am a forger and a liar - which was also implied by Barbara's email re: sending it to the Tech Dept).

I told her that Barbara had told me on 3/22 that the screenshot was being sent to their tech dept., and that I'd be happy to have them examine it so that they can verify that it has not been edited.

She said she will do that (apparently Barbara had never followed through), but "it will take awhile." (Stalling - this should have been taken care of by now).


This could be solved by logic if the cs at WSEX was sensible:

1) I opened a WSEX account years ago, and left the money in there for years (five figures) - never withdrew a penny - until the Neteller debacle, at which point I withdrew it all.

So I was not ever someone who was working their bonus system in any way - i.e., I was not fulfilling the rollover, then withdrawing, then redepositing for a new bonus. Then repeat, etc.


2) It seems ludicrous to me that someone would go to a book that has a 5x rollover offer and never had a 2x rollover offer, and then forge a screenshot to lower the rollover requirement to 2x. (And all of this over a $500 max bonus).

Incidentally, all of my emails and also my one conversation were all calm and polite on my part.



People have been posting about problems with WSEX for awhile.

I'm severely disappointed with this experience thus far. These are incidents I'd expect to read about from a C or D rated book (or worse).

And I'm more than disappointed when I'm essentially told that I'm a forger and a liar, and when I'm (essentially) threatened with the loss of my bonus.

I'm hoping that "WSEX" who posts here can get this resolved rapidly.
(Of course, if "WSEX" is actually Barbara or Judy, I've wasted my time by posting this).

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Old 03-27-08, 06:09 PM   #2
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First off, Welcome to the SBR forum

If you need some assistance with this, feel free to fill out a complaint form sir.
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Old 03-28-08, 11:05 AM   #3
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bigboydan - Thanks for the greeting and the offer.

I'll wait a day or two and see if the person posting here as "WSEX" offers any help.
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Old 03-28-08, 11:16 AM   #4
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welcome to the forum, you've come to the right place.

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Old 03-28-08, 11:34 AM   #5
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I'm on it.

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Old 03-28-08, 12:32 PM   #6
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Hi,

I am sorry for the confusion and how this has been handled. That's not our normal rollover. I have no idea how that got up there, but I am not saying it didn't happen. It's certainly possible.

I am waiving the rollover completely. Feel free to keep playing or withdraw it all.

Mistakes do happen. WSEX will always strive to take care of them quickly and do the right thing.

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Old 03-28-08, 12:43 PM   #7
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Hi,

I am sorry for the confusion and how this has been handled. That's not our normal rollover. I have no idea how that got up there, but I am not saying it didn't happen. It's certainly possible.

I am waiving the rollover completely. Feel free to keep playing or withdraw it all.

Mistakes do happen. WSEX will always strive to take care of them quickly and do the right thing.

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Old 03-28-08, 12:44 PM   #8
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I am waiving the rollover completely. Feel free to keep playing or withdraw it all.

Wow, now that is service.
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Old 03-28-08, 12:57 PM   #9
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Wow, now that is service.
Yet another reason I feel very comfortable recommending them to people. However, the main reason would be security of funds aspect.
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Old 03-28-08, 01:30 PM   #10
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Wow...This is impressive stuff...Seeing this is reason enough for me to reload at Wsex.....
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Old 03-28-08, 02:14 PM   #11
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Welcome to the board Bonus Headache and Thank you WSEX
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Old 03-28-08, 05:07 PM   #12
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"WSEX" - Thanks for resolving this generously.

If Barbara and Judy were unaware that the bankwire offer was ever 10%/2x rollover then someone at the company with the ability to change the page is not communicating with them.
I assure you that it went back and forth from 2x to 5x rollover on 2 different occasions that I observed during late 2007.
Perhaps your tech dept. can track it, if there's a computer record of logins to make changes to the "Cashier" webpage.

Since I made a public complaint about WSEX, I owe it to them to give the positives as well.

Other than this case, I've only had positive experiences there and have been a customer for several years. I've always regarded them as one of a handful of top books. And as mentioned by myself and others, this case was resolved with class, and promptly once "WSEX" got involved.
(The only exception was some hassles withdrawing my money after Neteller collapsed - but they and every other book in the world was having processing issues at that time so it was understandable).

I also was a large bettor a few years ago in an interactive which WSEX Steve [one of the owners] was running, and I spoke to him on the phone a few times.
He was always extremely helpful and courteous.

Thanks again "WSEX" for taking care of this.

And thanks to SBR and your forum.

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Old 03-30-08, 03:07 PM   #13
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The click through link to WSEX on SBR Odds isn't working.
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Old 03-30-08, 03:16 PM   #14
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The click through link to WSEX on SBR Odds isn't working.
The boys in the office are aware of it DH and are currently working on resolving that matter. However, we do appreciate the fact that you were kind enough to point that out to us.
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Old 03-30-08, 03:17 PM   #15
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Hi,

I am sorry for the confusion and how this has been handled. That's not our normal rollover. I have no idea how that got up there, but I am not saying it didn't happen. It's certainly possible.

I am waiving the rollover completely. Feel free to keep playing or withdraw it all.

Mistakes do happen. WSEX will always strive to take care of them quickly and do the right thing.

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Old 03-30-08, 03:27 PM   #16
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The click through link to WSEX on SBR Odds isn't working.
Thanks for the heads up ... looks like the company handling URL tracking and banners for WSEX has been having some technical difficulties of late. I've restored the base URL so all WSEX banners should be functioning properly now.
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Old 03-31-08, 12:47 AM   #17
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Yeah, I know...

WSEX comes to the forum, resolve a matter, and all is well. How many more flaps does it take to improve the customer service to the point where this doesn't recur? A customer sends a screenshot of terms that were clearly offered to him, and he's given the runaround to the point of needing to post on forums to get somebody's attention?

Yes, top books handle matters, but they also prevent the same ones from happening.. I think they could stand to improve their training of staff.
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The boys in the office are aware of it DH and are currently working on resolving that matter. However, we do appreciate the fact that you were kind enough to point that out to us.
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Its threads like these that i remember why i still play at WSEX

Top Class, even when problems arise they are settled in the end
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