View New Posts
  1. #1

    Default Shrink is the #1 source of offshore gambling news

    Shrink is by far the#1 source of Offshore Gambling News. At one time Shrink was a mover for a highly regarded Syndicate. Shrink may have millions of dollars in his account for the this person as he was trusted. I can't think of many people that this guy would trust with millions but Shrink was one of them.

    Shrink is also a big time bettor himself. His settle figures are more than many bet in a year. He's transferred six figures with books both ways and has always settled on Monday.

    Currently Shrink is a players advocate starting off with the RX and now the owner of EOG. For approximately the last 8 years he's dealt with many players and their stories.

    Because he has dealt with all sides of the business and kept these contacts he is the number one source of information. He knows what the Syndicates are playing. He's making his own bets. Shrink knows what books are slowpaying from all this information.

    Personally I've had many disagreements with Shrink and still do but no one can argue that they have more information then Shrink.

    After that you have SBR John, Roberto TOW, Russ MW and the gamblers and people that are working with the gamblers.

    The guys playing with big dollars with the books know which books are having problems by slow pays. They may be getting slow paid for $150k and know of another guy that's slow paid $100k from the same book.

    These guys don't go running to the forums. They share this information with others like them so they get information on which books are hurting and in trouble.

    In that same group are the other watchdog owners. These guys have built up great relationships with the books. John has some books that he has the best relationship with and Roberto and Russ have their books that they have the best relationship with.

    These guys go out to dinner with the book owners and are allowed access to things that the rest of us are not. Now a lot of this information is kept confidential. They can't ruin the trust that's built up.

    Then the next guy down the ladder is Dozer. He gets to see players complaints and then works with the books to get players paid. Now the problem with his information is that you never know if the player is telling the truth.

    Many players are scammers such as David1. They come up with great stories. You may have guys that have multiple chargebacks when they lose or multiple accounts.

    Dozer also works with the books but the books put on their best face at this time. When Dozer calls the book, the book in many cases is going to give any excuse to shift the blame to the player.

    Many of these cases are for small dollar amounts so in no way do you get a true picture of the books financial situation making it difficult to know if the book is having true problems.

    SBR Founder Join Date: 8/10/2005


  2. #2

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by raiders72001
    After that you have SBR John, Roberto TOW, Russ MW and the gamblers and people that are working with the gamblers.
    Just for your information raiders72001, but the amount of traffic that comes from SBR is 8x more than the second one!

    SBR Founder Join Date: 8/29/2005


  3. #3

    Default

    And the amount of traffic from Covers is much more than SBR. I'm just talking about the information that the owners and employees get.

    SBR Founder Join Date: 8/10/2005


  4. #4

    Default

    I really enjoy reading the Shrink's posts...he's well respected across the sports gambling industry...

    SBR Founder Join Date: 8/18/2005


  5. #5

    Default

    Yes, I would put Shrink a little ahead of SBR on many sportsbook issues but the gap is and has been narrowing. Anyway, its not a race. We work hard and we will continue to do the best job we can and let the chips land where they may.

    Otherwise, I enjoyed the post.
    1250pts

    SBR POKER TOURNEY1st Place 3/31/2012

    CHARITY DONOR
    12/01/2011 $475 donation

    SBR Founder Join Date: 7/12/2005

    855pts

    SBR POKER TOURNEY1st Place 5/12/2012


  6. #6

    Default

    Covers has much more traffic than SBR however we refer many more players to sportsbooks and have a far better lines service. I think we will catch them in all other areas in 2 years or less.
    1250pts

    SBR POKER TOURNEY1st Place 3/31/2012

    CHARITY DONOR
    12/01/2011 $475 donation

    SBR Founder Join Date: 7/12/2005

    855pts

    SBR POKER TOURNEY1st Place 5/12/2012


  7. #7

    Default

    Only reason I go to covers is for stats.

    SBR Founder Join Date: 8/10/2005


  8. #8

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by SBR_John
    we refer many more players to sportsbooks and have a far better lines service.
    This is 8x more than the second one in terms of hits coming from the portals. Another issue is that on the European forums there is quite some talk about SBR and none of the others mentioned by raiders.

    SBR Founder Join Date: 8/29/2005


  9. #9

    Default

    TOW mentioned all the time and Roberto has even posted there although not close to the extent of SBR.

    We're talking two different things. All you are worried about hits and views. Well that's fine and dandy but just because the posters are looking in at SBR doesn't mean that SBR has the best information.

    Like I pointed out Shrink deals with Syndicates and Books. Syndicates and gamblers deal with books. The first people to know that a book is in trouble are the guys dealing with big money because a book is slow paying.

    If I want to get helped or refer someone to get helped then I go to SBR. If I want to find out what books are hurting I ask elsewhere.

    SBR Founder Join Date: 8/10/2005


  10. #10

    Default

    You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I kind of agree that Shrink has the best info. We have the most info.

    We visit books weekly and have them over to our office. Lenny from Cascade was over last week and I stayed over Ron Sacco's house one day last week which I'll have a write up about tomorrow. I stayed with the Pinnacle guys in London two weeks ago and in all those places I never saw any other watchdog reps. I'm not saying we are the best but no one is out working us. We are not sitting back watching a Don Best screen. We are trying to be the best.
    1250pts

    SBR POKER TOURNEY1st Place 3/31/2012

    CHARITY DONOR
    12/01/2011 $475 donation

    SBR Founder Join Date: 7/12/2005

    855pts

    SBR POKER TOURNEY1st Place 5/12/2012


  11. #11

    Default

    Let's use Owner and Book A for our example . Say that Book A is in trouble. They're over their head in bills. They are looking for a loan or investors to pull them out of this.

    Now you can go over to the Owner's house and have dinner with his family. Does that mean that he's going to tell you all his problems so that you can downgrade Book A and put them further in the hole?

    Now say Book A owes a player $150k and hasn't paid him in two months. Word gets out about this. Others may be getting slow paid. Packages are pulled. The gamblers get the info first on the big books.

    Now with the small books that's where TOW and SBR come into play.
    Last edited by raiders72001; 02-15-06 at 09:11 PM.

    SBR Founder Join Date: 8/10/2005


  12. #12

    Default

    John- Here's the other thing. If someone does tell you their financial problems and the two of you have a strong trust, you aren't going to be able to say anything.

    SBR Founder Join Date: 8/10/2005


  13. #13

    Default

    Yea, its not an easy game to play. That goes for all of us. But they know we have a job to do. They get on us for not doing enough too. We are doing are best to walk the fine line.

    Opening the Costa Rica office really has helped. Now they know that we too are passionate and committed and we are right there with them.
    1250pts

    SBR POKER TOURNEY1st Place 3/31/2012

    CHARITY DONOR
    12/01/2011 $475 donation

    SBR Founder Join Date: 7/12/2005

    855pts

    SBR POKER TOURNEY1st Place 5/12/2012


  14. #14

    Default

    Opening the Costa Rica office really has helped. Now they know that we too are passionate and committed and we are right there with them.
    And you guys have stood up to some not so nice people which shows you're either really stupid or have a huge set of balls.

    SBR Founder Join Date: 8/10/2005


  15. #15
    Bill Dozer's Avatar Administrator
    Join Date: 07-12-05
    Posts: 9,092
    SBR Points: 2931
    Message Me

    Default

    Shrink is going to rank high on everyone's list, even those that are made for the sole purpose of trying to take a shot at someone else.

    SBR Founder Join Date: 7/12/2005


Top