[Truthteller]

This is a warning the Shrink has just posted.

With regards to ROYAL,

BE CAREFUL...

RUN, Don't even WALK......

You have been WARNED...

FACT: LOTS of PLAYERS being SLOW PAID HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS AFRAID to speak out for FEAR of NOT getting paid....

THE SHRINK

[hanco21]

Royal Sports called me Saturday looking to get a deposit. I mentioned what I read on SBR and they denied everything. I wouldn't touch that sportsbook again even with a 10 foot pole.

[tacomax]

I can't see any mention of this at MW - thus this story must be false.

[THE SHRINK]

Guys,

STAY AWAY FROM ROYAL!!!

If they dont find a buyer SOON, they will NOT be able to pay out all they owe...

And You Can THAT to the BANK!!!!

THE SHRINK

[raiders72001]

They've been looking for a buyer for a while. Why all of a sudden the change?

[SBR_John]

Thanks Ken.

For those new around here Ken W owns the EOG.com although he is still probably more famous for being the founder of TheRx.com. He was also my golf partner in the best ball tournament in Panama but I guess the 11 AM tee time was just a little too early ....if you know what I mean.

[Truthteller]

Originally Posted by raiders72001

They've been looking for a buyer for a while. Why all of a sudden the change?

What kind of retarded question is that? Is that all you can come up with to try to defend Tej?
The difference is the Shrink states that they are stiffing players hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Oh yeah, I forgot they have been doing this for years so no difference. You are right.

[raiders72001]

TT- You have your head up your ass. People are owed money all the time from books on the credit side and sometimes people use agendas to get themselves or buddies paid. Who is owed? Postup? Agents? Book? or are you just being a dumbass?

To be on the safe side I'm going to take the Royal banner down as soon as I can. I'm not going to recommend them any longer.

[THE SHRINK]

Raiders,

You are a paid by them....

Stop making yourself appear stupid and try being HONEST!!!

Will you PERSONALLY guarantee them?

Yes or no?

http://forum.bettingadvice.com/viewt...=39349&start=0

For example,

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</TD><TD class=row1 vAlign=top width="100%" height=28><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD width="100%">Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 8:17 am Post subject: </TD><TD vAlign=top noWrap> </TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD colSpan=2>First off this is a great site and I'm happy to be posting here.

I also have taken on Royal as an advertiser and have worked with Tim, Richard and CEO Kevin. Even though they are an advertiser they have many slow pays and it's not limited to one part of the world. Many US players have problems.

Royal will eventually pay but it can take some time. I'm up front with this when people ask me about Royal. There are many good reasons to play at Royal but do not be surprised by Slow Pays. I play there myself.
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[raiders72001]

Shrink,

Contrary to public opinion I am not paid by Royal. I put their banner up in exchange for a contest that we were discussing. I'm now taking it down and don't want a contest.

Do you also realize that when I was a moderator that I turned down $400/month from Royal to put a banner at the *** there? Recently, I started believing in Royal again but don't want any part of them on YOUR advice.

Who is owed money and what are you talking about? I'm guessing but it seems like a credit problem to me.

[THE SHRINK]

raiders,

I just misread your last post...

Good to hear as you KNOW I have solid info...

If just one potential new customer gets saved because of this, then I will be happy...

If we work together, good things usually happen, and NO, they Can't BUY ME OUT....

Sorry Tej...

John,

I suck at Golf so it was best I miss making an arse out of myself in front of you and everyone there...

THE SHRINK

[raiders72001]

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[SBR_John]

I started believing in Royal again but don't want any part of them on YOUR advice.

We have been telling you that around here for a month. I'm glad you see the light. Its hard to believe, no, its impossible for me to think someone could say I know they are slow paying and have no honor but I'm advertising for them. I may just make you an internet succes the hard way . So lets see we got you off RichCoast, Royal, ASAP and PlayTheScore. Now I need to get you to hang a pinnacle banner... I hear they are a good book

[raiders72001]

Until I see the Pinny office pictures I don't trust them. When you collect from the books in Curacao be sure to bring the camera for the Pinny pictures.

[SBR_John]

Raiders hang in the game, next I will teach about the modern ability to wire funds making the need to collect in person a thing of the past. They would wire you funds the same way if you send the business. But you are too smart to recommend Pinnacle(yea, that would be dumb LOL) when Royal, PlayTheScore and RichCoast can be touted.

FWIW, Pinnacle started in offices about the same size as NoJuice.

[Mudcat]

There have been many things happening lately that have made me think, Okay what is going on with Royal now? Increased slow-pay reports, sales calls that were desperate even by Royal standards.

Speaking of desperate, there was this e-mail promo that went out on Super Sunday.

DEPOSIT $500 OR MORE WITH WESTERN UNION AND GET 10% CASH BONUS WITH NO ROLL OVER, YOU CAN CASH OUT TOMORROW MORNING!!!

Not the sort of thing that "A" books do (or even C- books).

[Catsfan]

Originally Posted by Mudcat

There have been many things happening lately that have made me think, Okay what is going on with Royal now? Increased slow-pay reports, sales calls that were desperate even by Royal standards.

Speaking of desperate, there was this e-mail promo that went out on Super Sunday.

DEPOSIT $500 OR MORE WITH WESTERN UNION AND GET 10% CASH BONUS WITH NO ROLL OVER, YOU CAN CASH OUT TOMORROW MORNING!!!

Not the sort of thing that "A" books do (or even C- books).

WOW!
That is pretty desparate. I have not been called by them in months. I used to get emails and calls from them several times per week.

[The Great One]

You know guys, it would help if someone in the thread would actually list the full name of "Royal" so others would know. I'm a new member here and I'm sure alot more people read these threads than post in them. I just bring this up because alot of these books have very similar names and it would be easy to get confused. Like I said, it only takes one or two times to mention the entire name and that in itself would help out a ton of people.

[JoshW]

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[The Great One]

Originally Posted by lakerfan

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[biggs]

Originally Posted by raiders72001

Shrink,

Contrary to public opinion I am not paid by Royal. I put their banner up in exchange for a contest that we were discussing. I'm now taking it down and don't want a contest.

Do you also realize that when I was a moderator that I turned down $400/month from Royal to put a banner at the *** there? Recently, I started believing in Royal again but don't want any part of them on YOUR advice.

Who is owed money and what are you talking about? I'm guessing but it seems like a credit problem to me.

you sure are dumb, you XXXX XXXX please biggs, keep your punches up - SBR_John
i have seen you bash every one who speaks the truth about royal and you argue........when a non forum player gets the run around and gives up on his payout, you think they run the check over to him when he least expects it and needs it the most........

again your a XXXX XXXX please biggs, keep your punches up - SBR_John

people, whether or not tej ups and leaves with royal players left hanging, he stiffed players in the past and that should be enough reason not to play there

the bonus business model is flawed to say the least and that shop will fall, if its tomorrow or next year or what ever, IT CAN NOT LAST


I VOTE RAIDERS SUPER DUMBASS OF 06

[Chuck Sims]

What's sickening is that some websites are still flying the BetRoyal ad banner. It just shows you how slimy some of these website owners are.

[JC]

Royal is broke, they have been for some time. It's only now that their Ponzi scheme is coming to an end. The funny thing is had Tej the Midget not skimmed so much so fast, they probably could have kept the pyramid going for some time. He's a greedy swindler that Midget.

But football is over and people want their money. Unfortunately for the Four Stooges, more people want money out than want to send money in. And the Royal model doesn't work under those circumstances. Maybe they can hit the phones, crank up the bonuses, spam like they never spammed before and get some deposits rolling in? Unlikely, it's the slow season, and some of the people owed are getting restless. The complaints are coming closer and closer together.

Either Tej the Midget has to put money into the company out of his own pocket or they have to find a backer with who has no reputation or does not care about ruining his reputation to get behind them. Neither scenario is likely. Tej the Midget hates to put back money he has already skimmed from the company coffers. (Whether or not he can even pay all of it if he wanted to is debatable, my guess would be no.) As for option two, only an idiot would put money into the Four Stooges.

The Shrink isn't making this stuff up. They are in deep shit.

When they finally do pull the plug on the place we can award Tej the Midget and the other Three Stooges the Tej Kohli Award, named after the greatest offshore gambling crook of all time Tej "The Midget" Kohli. Fitting.

[isetcap]

Originally Posted by JC

Royal is broke, they have been for some time. It's only now that their Ponzi scheme is coming to an end. The funny thing is had Tej the Midget not skimmed so much so fast, they probably could have kept the pyramid going for some time. He's a greedy swindler that Midget.

But football is over and people want their money. Unfortunately for the Four Stooges, more people want money out than want to send money in. And the Royal model doesn't work under those circumstances. Maybe they can hit the phones, crank up the bonuses, spam like they never spammed before and get some deposits rolling in? Unlikely, it's the slow season, and some of the people owed are getting restless. The complaints are coming closer and closer together.

Either Tej the Midget has to put money into the company out of his own pocket or they have to find a backer with who has no reputation or does not care about ruining his reputation to get behind them. Neither scenario is likely. Tej the Midget hates to put back money he has already skimmed from the company coffers. (Whether or not he can even pay all of it if he wanted to is debatable, my guess would be no.) As for option two, only an idiot would put money into the Four Stooges.

The Shrink isn't making this stuff up. They are in deep shit.

When they finally do pull the plug on the place we can award Tej the Midget and the other Three Stooges the Tej Kohli Award, named after the greatest offshore gambling crook of all time Tej "The Midget" Kohli. Fitting.

This is quite an eloquent post, but I'm not positive every element of it is true

On February 10, 2006 I requested a withdrawal of $2000. I received the funds on February 10, 2006. Just based on my own personal account with Royal, the data would dictate they are getting better than worse. In addition to that, I still have yet to read of a case where someone has not been paid.

I'm sure there is some past agenda that is playing a role in this proliferation of negativity toward Royal. My experiences don't include that agenda and I'm not sure it's valuable for anyone to try and destroy a product that serves many and has yet to stiff any.

As soon as evidence can be provided that Royal has denied payment to a legitimate player, I'll be the first to lead the negative charge. Otherwise, some grand "story" about slowpaying large sums of money is absolutely nothing new. We all know that Royal has been slowpaying for months if not years. I'm actually surprised to learn that the slowpay figure that was "reported" is so low. Maybe they are better off than we all thought.

[JC]

The Shrink is not making anything up here. The information is from very good sources that they are in serious trouble. Just because he chooses not to disclose the confidential details does not mean there is any agenda.

Regarding your rapid withdrawal of $2,000, do they know you post here?

[isetcap]

Originally Posted by JC

Regarding your rapid withdrawal of $2,000, do they know you post here?

I have not informed them of that, nor will I unless their situation changes for the worse. I very much enjoy the added value they give me for my funds, but if I hear of a serious problem then I will be sure to have Bill handle it for me discreetly.

To me, the interesting thing is that it's always the same people involved in this argument. It seems it's almost more of a religion than a reality and in this case I choose to go with what I see and not what I hear.

[SBR_John]

I know they are looking for a buyer or partner, SBR reported that a couple of days ago. They have been calling around Costa Rica looking for a deal.

Having said that, I don't know Shrinks source for impending failure. Tej is not broke and if you think about it, it would be foolish for him to walk. This is not ScoresSportsbook, Royal still has some value. They could be gone tomorrow but I dont see it. I think they will find a deal and be sold.

[isetcap]

Originally Posted by SBR_John

I know they are looking for a buyer or partner, SBR reported that a couple of days ago. They have been calling around Costa Rica looking for a deal.

Having said that, I don't know Shrinks source for impending failure. Tej is not broke and if you think about it, it would be foolish for him to walk. This is not ScoresSportsbook, Royal still has some value. They could be gone tomorrow but I dont see it. I think they will find a deal and be sold.

I agree. I think they have extensive playership and that there is real value to a group with more efficient management. I certainly think it would be a better deal than some of the recent buyouts that have taken place, even those done by the big boys.

I still am confused by the supposed severity or shock value of Shrink's story in that he states players are being slowpayed for hundreds of thousands. Wasn't this common knowledge? I mean they slowpay everyone. Surely they have at least 10 players with significant balances who want their money. Those 10 alone could total hundreds of thousands in slowpayments.

[Chuck Sims]

What cracks me up is the charge of an "agenda" against BetRoyal. The owner has swindled millions of dollars from off-shore bettors. How naive do you have to be to send money to this crook? Does a house have to fall on you?

[Truthteller]

Isetcap, shouldn't the FACT that the owner of Royal has swindled millions of dollars from players like yourself in the past make you think twice about seinding money there?

Before he closed up and stiffed everyone from his previous books, he used to send payments like he did for you.

He has not only closed up 1 but more than 50 websites in the past 5-7 years.

It still amazes me how after all of that, people can still try to defend this clown

[isetcap]

Originally Posted by Truthteller

Isetcap, shouldn't the FACT that the owner of Royal has swindled millions of dollars from players like yourself in the past make you think twice about seinding money there?

I can assure you, I think more than twice about sending my money anywhere. As it stands, I have received considerably more money from them than they have received from me. If they closed their doors tomorrow, that would still be the case. The only way they can ever hope to make money off of me at this point is to stay open for a good while longer because they have a lot of ground to cover.

I get my sportsbook information exclusively from SBR. If you look at the wire for recent activity, you will see that Royal has been upgraded at least twice without any downgrades. SBR data and individual cases clearly show that players are being paid. I executed a simple risk/reward analysis and determined there was a great deal of value for me to play at Royal.

I certainly feel bad for anyone who has been taken by Tej in the past, but that will not prevent me from taking his money as long as he continues to offer it up through Royal. Does that mean I'm swindling money from him the way he swindled money from players in the past? Oh well...I think I feel as bad about it as he does.

[pier0]

Originally Posted by isetcap

I agree. I think they have extensive playership and that there is real value to a group with more efficient management. I certainly think it would be a better deal than some of the recent buyouts that have taken place, even those done by the big boys.

I don't see how having an extensive number of players gives value to the group when the players that play there are mostly bonus whores or people that cannot get paid.

Surely with more efficient management, read no crazy bonuses, most of these players would be gone...

[isetcap]

Originally Posted by pier0

I don't see how having an extensive number of players gives value to the group when the players that play there are mostly bonus whores or people that cannot get paid.

Surely with more efficient management, read no crazy bonuses, most of these players would be gone...

Mostly is the key word here as opposed to entirely. Any book that is looking to be sold always has this kind of population. If it didn't then it wouldn't be up for sale. Big books don't buy these operations as acts of charity (most times). They know the playership of these groups are the unmined gold. They also calculate that their management style will better cultivate that population.

[raiders72001]

SBR

Tej is not broke and if you think about it, it would be foolish for him to walk.

I wonder who said this before.

[SBR_John]

Well he might but what I'm trying to say is its a numbers game. I think Royal has more value if he sells even if he has already hijacked the player balances which most agree he has. I think I could probably find a buyer if Tej wants to give me a call .