[raiders72001]

I admit that Royal has slow pays but 90% of the stories posted about them are BS.


BlackMagic- "The nerve of Royal Sports

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I wasnt going to post this but what the hell. At 8am I get a call from some guy named Richard. He says he's from Royal and wants to know why I have'nt sent in more money yet. Even after I remind him about how it took them 8 weeks to pay me, he had the nerve to ask me to forget about it and send in some money. "There is a full slate of games today" he says. Like I said, its more about the way I was treated then how long it took to get paid. The nerve of some people."





RX Wil

Black Magic, I just heard from Richard at Royal, he says he made no such call. He has been at the beach with his family until today.

[raiders72001]

I'm 100% sure that TT and Chuck Sims will be in here with there copy/paste jobs of the exact same things that they've been saying for 3 years.

In fact when I see their names on a post I read the first two words then know what the rest of the post says from experience.

[tacomax]

This is all very interesting, raiders. You post whatever lies you can think of about BetOnStars but you use this board to defend BetRoyal at every opportunity.

I'm presuming that you're on the BetRoyal payroll. And, to this end, you're using these boards to further your own business interests. John has warned you about this in the past.

Originally Posted by SBR_John

These guys that own other micro small websites and are here solely to further their business should be controlled.

Why not just stick to defending your dodgy books on your own site and stop lowering the name of the SBR forums?

[raiders72001]

Royal is one of the most popular topics on this board. I'm trying to show that many of thes posts are false, and in fact posted by the same person.

Taco- I guess you can read because you are able to post but you are functionally illiterate. Thanks for ruining another thread.

[SBR_John]

Taco has a point. You would never bother defending this Tej owned bottom dweller if you were not getting paid by them.

90%? no. Yea, they have some enemies which is hard to believe..*cough, cough*.. but the percentage is probably more like the average that everyone else has. Its just that everyone else doesnt pay shills to defend them .

[raiders72001]

And BetJam may not be an A+ after their recent problem if not for the fact that they have you in their pocket. Word on the street is that you had to go to them for approval before you could give them that one day downgrade.

I've talked about many books and Royal is the most talked about book of all which is why I thought it relevant to show both sides.

[Mudcat]

I don't doubt that some people post false information about Royal Sports. The ownership of Royal has ripped people off. I can understand how Royal and its shills would wish everyone would quietly leave it in the past but that's not the way it goes sometimes.

Royal continues to routinely lie to players over and over - and some of them get royally pissed off. It can be very stressful to people to have their money in some distant place and be lied to about it day after day - and it can also cost money - and some people probably retaliate.

I don't necessarily agree with that kind of tactic but the lying always starts at Royal and I'm sure not going to shed any tears for Poor victimized Royal Sports if they have to endure their own tactics.

As for this Black Magic example, who knows? The fact that someone at Royal says it's not true is supposed to prove it's BS? Only in the magical, delusional world of shills.

It sure sounds plausible to me. I got a call from someone from Royal yesterday which was just like Black Magic describes. They try to pressure you to deposit despite whatever complaints and concerns you might express. There's nothing unusual about that at all. That's Royal.

[tacomax]

You've got to wonder why places like BetRoyal don't employ better shills. Do they really think that people will trust the word of raiders or AK who are classic internet scammers?

If they must pay people to say good things about them, why do they not just pay people who haven't got a history of ripping off players?

[SBR_John]

If they must pay people to say good things about them, why do they not just pay people who haven't got a history of ripping off players?

Those that would actually sell out and shill and lie for tej and royal are few and far between. I'm a little surprised raiders would. I guess raiders feels the extra $200 a month is worth it. It is a glaring admission that your site is going nowhere if you care so little that you would hang a royal banner.

[BuddyBear]

Originally Posted by raiders72001

And BetJam may not be an A+ after their recent problem if not for the fact that they have you in their pocket. Word on the street is that you had to go to them for approval before you could give them that one day downgrade.

I've talked about many books and Royal is the most talked about book of all which is why I thought it relevant to show both sides.

Betjm did not even remove that A+ emblym on their site....they knew that they would get their A+ rating back in a heartbeat...it was a set deal from the beginning.

[raiders72001]

Guys like Mudcat like to post with very little facts. Blackmagic/David1/Royalbasher are all the same person. This person lied. He said that Royal altered tapes and that he did not place $20k in bets that was deducted from his account.

Royal produced a tape that showed that David1 did indeed make and lose bets totally 20k. David1 then went to some of the watchdog sites including the RX telling them that Royal had altered the tape.

Two of the watchdog owners went to bat for David1 and Royal was smeared all over the forums. It was proven that the tapes were real. David1 then took a lie detector test which he failed.

Guys like Mudcat could care less about the truth. They think it's OK to lie. This isn't the first lie from Mudcat.

Here are the facts on Royal. They will slow pay people but NO ONE has been stiffed. When people knowingly lie they lose all credibility. This is why I Mudcat is not to be trusted. You never know if he's telling the truth or not.

I person like Mudcat is dangerous. He's smart and can fool most that don't know as much as he does about gambling.

[raiders72001]

Mudcat

nd some people probably retaliate.

Here Mudcat is saying that it's OK to lie. Mudcat also said that there have been many, many people stiffed by BoSports. The fact is that 2 people have been stiffed and to my knowledge that was 8 years ago under completely different management. Take Pinocchio's posts lightly.

[SBR_John]

Raiders I saw you advocated that a known stiff poster should have that labeled by his or her posting name. What about Tej? I know you are on Tej's payroll now but let me ask you a very serious question: Is Tej a thief? YES or NO

[JC]

Originally Posted by raiders72001

Here are the facts on Royal. They will slow pay people but NO ONE has been stiffed.

Based on your own words above, why would you endorse such an operation even if they didn't have other issues, which they do?

I posted somewhere else on this board that we need to stop using the term "slow pay." These are stiff jobs that are resolved.

While I believe Blackmagic is a David1 derivative, there have been others who have come forward that had to wait weeks for their money. I personally believe if it wasn't for this site they would still be waiting.

But forget all of that and please just answer my first question without saying risk/reward.

[raiders72001]

JC- It's not right what Royal does with slow pays and I can't back them for that. It's also not right for people to lie about them on the boards because of personal vendettas.

It isn't even a risk/reward thing. It's the possibility that you may have to wait a little while. I don't agree with your definition of a stiff job.

Many seasoned players do play at Royal. A big player may not want to play at Royal because they may have winnings tied up for some time. On the other hand Royal is a great out for smaller to average players.

[Winston Smith]

Mudcat never said that lying was okay. He said that Royal creates an atmosphere of deceit and deception that perpetuates the lying, thus precluding them from playing the role of poor, innocent victim. There's a difference.

[raiders72001]

Mudact said that BoSports have stiffed many people. He won't acknowledge the fact that Magic/David/Royalbasher is a scammer and leaves it open to his story being truthful. No matter how you slice it Mudcat is dishonest.

[raiders72001]

Is Tej a thief? YES or NO

Yes

Are Mudact and Daivid1 liars? YES or NO

Are there many sportsbook owners that are dishonest? YES or NO

[SBR_John]

Actually Raiders there are no thieves I know of in this industry that even come close to Tej. Please feel free to list ALL thieves bigger than your boss right here ______.

Why don't you align yourself with respectable books Raiders? You would make more money long term and you wouldnt feel like a fool defending guys like Tej?

[raiders72001]

Name one book that I endorsed that I haven't been able to get a player paid or bailed out that asked? I currently have 9 books up and no one will get stiffed. I just started with my own site but no one else has my record. I've also been a mod for three years before my site.

Also there have been guys that have won some nice money taking my advice on books. If you want me to go into depth on any of the books then we can discuss the reasons to play there.

I don't want to be accused of shilling so I won't bring up the other books first.

[raiders72001]

John- Should everyone just play at Pinny and slowly keep donating to them or should they start looking for other books to add such as Royal and start winning?

99% of the guys on this board have no chance of winning gambling with your top 5 books. They have a much better chance of winning playing my books

[tacomax]

Roberto from TOW has recently said that there are still a number of players still unpaid from one of your scam operations with PlayTheScore.

One of those people has asked you for assistance on these here boards. You refused to help him and said that he should have approached you earlier. Nice service, raiders.

Originally Posted by raiders72001

I just started but no one else has my record.

That is very true. I think you're right up there with AK on the scamming scale. That's very impressive for such a newbie. And with Uncle Omar and Uncle Tej guiding you, I think you're definately going to go places.

[raiders72001]

Serious thread and good discussion <Taco Rule Invoked, IQ under 50, Dumb Post, Please leave>

[tacomax]

Hmmm. I like the way you divert the thread and ignore questions when you're backed into a corner.

[raiders72001]

<Taco Rule Invoked, IQ under 50, Dumb Post, Please leave> Made the same post for the 50th time. I don't feel like answering for the 50th time. Check the other 50 posts if you want an answer.

[tacomax]

Posting on internet forums is an art form. Some lay effortless strokes of beauty like oil on canvas. Each brush stroke is well thought out and encompasses a wide range of vocabulary and emotion.

And along comes raiders with his fingerpainting.

[Louie Diamond]

I just like reading my signatures every once and a while...carry on.

[raiders72001]

Link for Taco for the future

Here's what it says for the last time. From now on I'll just post link.

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Posted 12/31
"Every day we see the same old posts by Taco. We're having a serious discussion about RCS and Taco has to bring up PTS for the 12th time in the day. Of course everyone just ignores him and we stay on topic.

I'm getting tired of this same conversation every day.

Taco: What about PTS Raiders
Raiders: Everyone got paid.

Taco: cuts and pastes the same quote he pastes every day.
Raiders: Everyone got paid.

Taco: How much money did you make from PTS?
Raiders: Everyone got paid.

Tomorrow if I'm not around when Taco makes his mandatory PTS post can someone post for me "everyone got paid" .

This will save me a lot of time and it'll give him someone to talk to. Even if I'm around someone answer Taco with "everyone got paid" so I can concentrate on TOW's story about RCS.

I almost forgot, Baus is going to jump in and say, " I didn't get paid Raiders". Then you guys reply," You didn't go to Raiders and ask for help.

I wish that I was better at this computer stuff so that I could just hit one key and these phrases would come up.

I'm so use to these phrases that I can be watching the game and I see Taco's name on a post. I don't even read it but reply, "everyone got paid""

[MrX]

Raiders,

I don't doubt that you can get everyone paid who comes to you with a problem, but what do you think the experience is like for those who sign up with Bet Royal and try to cash without you or another forum going to bat for them?

I'm not claiming to know the answer, I don't. But I'd like to know if you think all players get paid, or if those who don't know where to turn to for help are out of luck.

[raiders72001]

MrX- Great point but the people that do go to Royal because of what I say do know where to go for help which is why I feel fine with their banner being up.

I can't concern myself with what Royal does outside of my own involvement. I don't do a background check on other book owners so I just go by my experiences with a book.

[Dave]

Just shill them on your own forum Raiders, stop shilling them here.

[Louie Diamond]

Raiders,
Why don't you think Tej will close up shop and open up again under another name? That is his MO and it's not matter of if, but when. I actually can't wait until he does so we can watch Major squirm again. You just can't buy that entertainment at a $9 movie.

[SBR_John]

Raiders,
Why don't you think Tej will close up shop and open up again under another name? That is his MO and it's not matter of if, but when.

Raiders knows. You dont have to run a background check. He has opened and closed some 50 books and casinos and you proudly call him boss and take his money, pretty much ALL of which was stolen from regular players and regular people. But dont worry Raiders, you are a Tej boy now ...well, as long as that $200 a month hits neteller. Smart business move

[pier0]

Raiders,

I'm not sure to understand your business model:
you don't have any original content, and I'm not talking about picks, and your forum's users already are members at other forums.

I simply don't understand why a book would pay to have a banner on a forum that gets only shared traffic...

I'm not trying to be polemical, but obviously if Royal is willing to pay you is not for the traffic that you drive to them...

This is just my opinion...

[raiders72001]

pier- I don't have that many posters but there are a lot of unique users from Chicago and Las Vegas that do not post on other forums.

As far as a business model goes **** was originally started as a joint effort between a book and myself. It was not going to have any banners up and be non-profit.

The book decided he didn't want in and the site was already up. It was just going to be for picks. We were going to put up advice from cappers and books. I'm still going to get other books involved down the line and I'm currently working on it.

Since I decided to run it on my own I figured why not put up banners. I now have 9 banners up and run many contests. The last two weeks one contest was paying $1000/week with no rollover.

I have 4 contests running starting tomorrow and more in the works. During the NCAA tourney some will pay $1000/week. I did promote in some areas so as to get players that are using the forums for the first time. I feel this is a great service for players. I had been running a *** thread since 2002 and now we have our own site.