[MadCapper]

Last night was a prime example of what many call "The Pinny Lean": Where Pinnacle tries hard to get you to play the wrong side.

But is their any Truth to the Pinny Lean or is it just a Myth?

Last Night: (2 Examples)

Second Half Lines

Tue 2/26 515 Portland Trail Blazers +10 +150 OVER 101.5 -117
07:35 PM 516 Los Angeles Lakers -10 -165 UNDER 101.5 +107


Tue 2/26 513 Seattle Supersonics +10 +128 OVER 110.5 -124
07:35 PM 514 Golden State Warriors -10 -140 UNDER 110.5 +114

It seemed that Pinnacle wanted you to stay far away from the Lakers -10 by juicing it up to -165. It also seemed like Pinnacle wanted you staying far away from the Warriors -10 by juicing it up to -140. It seemed that they were hoping you;d see the big PLUS money on the 2nd half underdogs and take it.

Results: The Lakers covered by 20 for the 2nd half while the Warriors pushed on the 10; losing at all other books which moved the line to 11.

What are your thought about "The Pinny Lean"?

[20Four7]

Because Pinny does this it makes arbing possible and profitable. A lot of people believe pinny is a betting syndicate first and a book 2nd. Make your own judgements.

[MadCapper]

Because Pinny does this it makes arbing possible and profitable. A lot of people believe pinny is a betting syndicate first and a book 2nd. Make your own judgements.

I never looked at it like that.

[MadCapper]

I have used Pinny in the past to scalp. Always ended up taking the + juice on their site and laying the - at other sites. Don't think I ever got a payout from Pinny!

They basically beg you to take the + side.

[Munson15]

I have used Pinny in the past to scalp. Always ended up taking the + juice on their site and laying the - at other sites. Don't think I ever got a payout from Pinny!

Hey Slim, how's it going? I had the same experience with Pinnacle until I got the boot. They have lots of other books' money from my scalping with them.

[donjuan]

They basically beg you to take the + side.

No, they don't. That's like saying they're begging you to take every underdog ML out there.

[rake922]

I have used Pinny in the past to scalp. Always ended up taking the + juice on their site and laying the - at other sites. Don't think I ever got a payout from Pinny!

why

[BigBollocks]

Pinnacle was a gambling syndicate from the get go. I have such immense respect for Pinnacle's rise to the top, booking knowledge, and business model that it's beyond words. And yes, Pinnacle always had methods of putting people on who they wanted you to be on.

[jjgold]

Pinny is not even close anymore to having a sharp line because volume is a lot lower their on American sports, a $500 bet moves the line now as oppossed to a 3k bet years back. I would not even look at Pinny lines anymore as they are a non factor in the maerican sport betting market place.

[cobra_king]

a $500 bet moves the line now as oppossed to a 3k bet years back. I would not even look at Pinny lines anymore as they are a non factor in the maerican sport betting market place.

[20Four7]

they are a non factor in the maerican sport betting market place.

What sport is that? I routinely bet $500 on pinny and the line doesn't move. In the euro hockey I can bet $100 and move the line. Also just because you bet the line (especially close to game time) doesn't mean your bet moved it. I have had several times where I got to bet and pinny says the line has moved please go back. I go back and the line could have moved with me, or against me. So it isn't just my bet they are worried about. Now a $500 bet on a NHL team total will move the line.

[Finpro]

Pinny is not even close anymore to having a sharp line because volume is a lot lower their on American sports, a $500 bet moves the line now as oppossed to a 3k bet years back. I would not even look at Pinny lines anymore as they are a non factor in the maerican sport betting market place.

you are a clown, i guess that is why every book has to follow when they move...and specially matchbook "market makers" copy EVERYTHING from Pinny in the NBA.
Get a clue you dork and stop posting shit

[Munson15]

I kept winning at the other books and losing at Pinny when I did all those scalps. This went on for a few years from about 2002-2006.

Wish I had gotten to do that as long as you. I didn't get into Pinnacle until 2005, and it took a year before I was really raking. Made quite a bit of money in 2006 with very, very little risk.

[Pedro]

Eh, Pinny does NOT move the lines...

... the people betting do.

In other words, Pinny simply throws up some odds that they think are close enough to the true odds and let the people bet on it.

If the people, NOT Pinny, think that one of the odds have value (such as lakers -10), than people will bet on it. The more people bet on it, the more the line will move.

In this case, the public clearly thought that -10 was a great line and loaded up on it.

Pinny didn't do anything, the people did...

Pedro

[MadCapper]

Eh, Pinny does NOT move the lines...

... the people betting do.

In other words, Pinny simply throws up some odds that they think are close enough to the true odds and let the people bet on it.

If the people, NOT Pinny, think that one of the odds have value (such as lakers -10), than people will bet on it. The more people bet on it, the more the line will move.

In this case, the public clearly thought that -10 was a great line and loaded up on it.

Pinny didn't do anything, the people did...

Pedro

Why was PINNY the only book that kept it at 10 for a while and at -165 when all others had 12 or 12.5 earlier.

[donjuan]

Why was PINNY the only book that kept it at 10 for a while and at -165 when all others had 12 or 12.5 earlier.

See my post before you continue with your verbal log dump.

[MadCapper]

See my post before you continue with your verbal log dump.

I read it.

[durito]

Why was PINNY the only book that kept it at 10 for a while and at -165 when all others had 12 or 12.5 earlier.

are you saying -10 -165 is different from -12 -110?


Nothing in this thread is remotely relevant to the pinny lean unless we first establish that.


The pinny lean was they have -12 -111, everyone else has -12 -110 = they want you to bet elsewhere.

The present case is simply them not moving the line on a second half only the odds (the software does this all the time)

[MadCapper]

are you saying -10 -165 is different from -12 -110?


Nothing in this thread is remotely relevant to the pinny lean unless we first establish that.


The pinny lean was they have -12 -111, everyone else has -12 -110 = they want you to bet elsewhere.

The present case is simply them not moving the line on a second half only the odds (the software does this all the time)

Thank you.

[Kaps]

pinny has a knowledge way above and beyond anyone else in the industry.....for years scalpers would just pour money into pinnacle and killing all the other books around.
Since taking the U.S. out of the equation there is not much action there indeed but they still know how to book....
the pinny lean is still in effect in my estimation

[acw]

In my point of view Pinnacle is rather sharp on the American sports, since they take the largest bets on them. Read: They cannot afford to be too far off. I think jjgold is (always) right that one needs to be a bit more careful on their US$500 max bets.

By the way has anyone else noticed the big volumes on American sports on BetFair these days?