My experiences with Bet Royal

SBR_John · 08-31-05 07:44 PM

Strong post Trouble Maker.

I hpe SBR was not one of the sites that gave your friend a hard time if he did indeed pay out everyone.

First, I agree with you on Tej. Another point that has not been mentioned is all the people he has bought to turn the tide and convince folks he is not the industrys largest scammer. Its really sad who is on that list.

When a ship wrecks they ring a bell when they call out each name of the poor souls that have lost their life. I think we should ring a bell for all those who sold their soul to promote and defend Tej and his business.

BuddyBear · 08-31-05 09:10 PM

Man...i've never heard anything positive being said about Royal...the stuff that happens on that book is the stuff of legends.

Stay away in my opinion...then again I play with SIA

raiders72001 · 08-31-05 09:17 PM

I've been as harsh on Tej as anyone. I have written about the following and more:

Pyramid
Scores
Virtual Casino Group
Tej having forums deleted
Grafix Software
His Merit Scholarships
His 12 years of research in Silicon Valley

Ofice and Anon- I agree with TOW. It's easy for people to post anonimously on the forums. When someone comes in and posts that they know Tej personally back it up with some facts otherwise it's just hearsay.

raiders72001 · 08-31-05 09:28 PM

what it was like to work for a stiff sportsbook

Bill- Tita's original post was about Royal until you changed it. Can you name one player stiffed by Royal.

SBR_John · 08-31-05 10:41 PM

Can you name one player stiffed by Royal.

I can. His intials are MF. There are quite a few employees and vendors in Curacao that were stiffed too. In fact, if I recall you yourself were slow paid. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Mudcat · 08-31-05 10:57 PM

I can name a guy who had a confirmed winning bet voided after the event. That is a STIFF move in my book.

Bill Dozer · 09-01-05 01:23 AM

Originally Posted by raiders72001

Bill- Tita's original post was about Royal until you changed it. Can you name one player stiffed by Royal.

Raiders,

The title was changed because Royal existed as a legitimate sportsbook during the time the employee worked for the Virtual Group / Grafix Softech.

We know the chances of getting stiffed by Tej's 6 million dollar investment are much lower than when he had 40 disposable sites like Britney Spears Casino. After that, the difference is only the brand name.

By definitition, the current Royal Sports Group are stiffs. Royal is ran out of the same Virtual Casino offices. The managers were handpicked by Tej. The company is built on stolen money and a dishonest business.

raiders72001 · 09-01-05 04:24 AM

Yes, I did get the run around from Royal for a week or two. I was able to finally take care of it myself. I was a mod at another site at the time. I said nothing about being a mod until one week of slow pay. I then mentioned being a mod. I'm not sure if that helped or not but was paid shortly after that.

I was not aware of the cancelled bet. Can you give some details on this such as sport and dollar amount.

Since the main problem with Royal is Tej, what percentage of Royal does he own? How many other owners are there?

Truthteller · 09-01-05 07:11 AM

Originally Posted by raiders72001

Yes, I did get the run around from Royal for a week or two. I was able to finally take care of it myself. I was a mod at another site at the time. I said nothing about being a mod until one week of slow pay. I then mentioned being a mod. I'm not sure if that helped or not but was paid shortly after that.

You might have still have being getting jacked around if you didn't mention you post on the forums. Don't you know that Royal has 2 list?

One for forum members and one for people who aren't aware that these forums exist.

raiders72001 · 09-01-05 07:16 AM

That's why I didn't mention anything about the forums for a week. I wanted to know how they treated players off the forums.

Truthteller · 09-01-05 07:24 AM

Weren't you working at OGD when you were getting slow paid?

Mudcat · 09-01-05 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by raiders72001

I was not aware of the cancelled bet. Can you give some details on this such as sport and dollar amount.

I'm 99% sure the sports was soccer and, knowing this guy, the dollar amount was the max, whatever that is.

09-01-05 11:35 AM

After reading what tow and raiders reply

I would advise whistle blowers to keep silent in the future, why in gods name would they want to be subjected to the remarks and opinions shown by many on these boards, why even bother??

I am sorry to say but many players out here deserve to be stiffed, and stiffed they will get, playing at royal after knowing all this about the OWNER’S past…………….lol

As tow said:

“Bottomline players reading SBR or TOW are WELL AWARE of the risk involved in playing with this book.

Yet, some players still consider that the reward of playing there is greater than the risk. Its their money after all, and they are free to use it the way they want to.”

I would love to see the day Charlie Therwhanger opens a sportsbook and offers 100% signup bonuses and 50% reloads and 150% bonus not to take a withdrawal............HOW MANY PLAYERS WOULD PLAY THERE CAUSE THEY "still consider that the reward of playing there is greater than the risk."

how do you think someone who had his life turned upside down by tej's scams feel that players are STILL supporting this theif because "players still consider that the reward of playing there is greater than the risk."

this is pathetic

raiders72001 · 09-01-05 11:51 AM

TT- Never was paid but I was a mod at the time. I didn't say anything for a week because I wanted to know what it was like for everyone.

Ofice- Nice use of the caps and bold. There are a couple of other highly respected posters that use them too. I'm not to sure how long that you've been around the forums but BS is rampant. Next time that you post something I'll take in mind that your word is gold and will not question you.

raiders72001 · 09-01-05 12:10 PM

Tita- Sorry for jumping on you. I believe you experiences to be true. I'm always skeptical of posts on the boards. I should have tamed down my questioning of your post.

Ofice- Get a little thicker skin.

09-01-05 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by raiders72001

Ofice- Get a little thicker skin.

i got but wont waste my time here, no one cares to listen unless their monday payout arrives on thursday

i in the future i will advise people NOT to take inside info on scam opertaions public UNLESS they have a financial intrest in doing so

think about all the families this tej character has ruined and people still consider sending him money............

raiders72001 · 09-01-05 12:45 PM

You're a touchy little fellow. I didn't realize that Tej is the only crook in this business.

SBR_John · 09-01-05 01:11 PM

oficentrobuilding7floor7,
Dont let raiders bother you. His buddies work for Tej and maybe he does too indirectly or maybe directly. You can always spot them when they hint around that he is not the only thief. Kind of like him saying cut Tej some slack, he's not the only thief. LOL.

Everyone appreciates the ex employees coming forward. There are a lot of folks on Tej's payroll so you have to expect them to defend him.

09-01-05 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by SBR_John

oficentrobuilding7floor7,

Originally Posted by SBR_John

Dont let raiders bother you. His buddies work for Tej and maybe he does too indirectly or maybe directly. You can always spot them when they hint around that he is not the only thief. Kind of like him saying cut Tej some slack, he's not the only thief. LOL.

Everyone appreciates the ex employees coming forward. There are a lot of folks on Tej's payroll so you have to expect them to defend him.

john,

your a good man, keep up the good work

its not raiders that troubles me, he must be on their payroll, but TOW??

TOW says:

"This being said I have direct knowledge of the way Tej operates and can confirm intimidation being part of his repertoire.
The little indian guy intimidated me several times, including a couple of death threats.

If you've worked with him you should be aware of when he shot Big. R. and missed his head for less than an inch. This happened in his very office when the unfortunate employee approached him asking for a "bonus"."

and also says:

“I have learned quite a number of horror stories about the man. Yet hiding, like you guys do, make him achieve his goal.

He's a 5'1 Indian with an undisclosed inferiority complex due to his height. This is why he takes revenge on people acting the way he does and loves being feared.
He is not to be feared. He's a Calcutta sidewalk bullie. The ones that hide make him feel he's more than what he really is. he's not.

As far as his goons go..yes, they can be dangerous, but they ain't dumb. John had them picked up by the police.

Yes...Don Juan might pull some strings but he's not going to risk everything for Tej.”

WTF???

in the same thread you say you know the story about shooting at his casino manager and missing the guys head by inches, you say his goons are dangerous but, you know that Juan is connected and could have you taken care of but

WTF are you saying??

people dont realize that tej's goons are ex or off duty OIJ agents, the OIJ is the cr equivalent to the FBI

go figure, everyone who wants to share their experiences of working in tej's operation should put a bulls eye on their forehead cause TOW says:

"He is not to be feared. He's a Calcutta sidewalk bullie. The ones that hide make him feel he's more than what he really is. he's not."

stupid me, now i get it

raiders72001 · 09-01-05 02:53 PM

John- I guess that you don't remember that I took down the Royal banner down at TFZ voluntarily and forfeited the money because I didn't approve of Royal's methods.

It is appreciated that employess come forward with their stories but Oficie acts as though he's the only INSIDER in the industry and his word is gospel.

Posters should be allowed to question the validity of posts. Not only that but big bold letters are anoying.

TOW · 09-01-05 03:11 PM

Oficentro,

Have you ever risked your life to get players paid ? I have, several times, both in Costa Rica and Panama.

I have learned how to understand potential danger from real danger.

You're obsessed with Tej. Fine with me.

He's not the kind of guy I'd invite to dine at my house for sure. That being said I know who Tej is and WARNED players about the risk of playing at the book he (fully) owns.

Just keep one thing in mind my friend: while you judge others (without knowledge) you comfortably hide behind an handle. I don't.

Trust me when I say I'm way high on their shit list, yet I don't fear NavTej Kholi, Don Juan or any other of them. This is my strenght.

SBR_John · 09-01-05 03:47 PM

Raiders then why would you act like you are minimizing the situation by saying something like Tej is not the only thief? You were saying it like 'SO Whats the Big Deal? If you don't know what the big deal is from reading this thread from stiff jobs to attempted murder then you never will.

raiders72001 · 09-01-05 10:02 PM

SBR- First no one has said how much of Royal that Tej owns. This is VERY IMPORTANT. How can you blame Royal when you don't even know if he any ownership? Secondly to get a fair assesment of Tej I think that it's important to compare him to other owners of books.

All these people that are coming up with these stories are anonymous and show no proof that they have worked for Royal. If this were a court it would be a great case. Two posters that are hiding behind a computer say that you are guilty. Case closed, guilty as charged.

Both you and Roberto have personally met Tej and Roberto has worked with him. I'll take the opinion of you two over some anonymous posters.

pags11 · 09-02-05 03:26 AM

man, some deep stuff here...

SBR_John · 09-02-05 08:58 AM

SBR- First no one has said how much of Royal that Tej owns. This is VERY IMPORTANT. How can you blame Royal when you don't even know if he any ownership?

Raiders, Roberto has said that he sold Royal to tej. Royal later moved to tej's office in Office Centro here in Costa Rica. How much more prove do you need?

09-02-05 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by SBR_John

Raiders, Roberto has said that he sold Royal to tej. Royal later moved to tej's office in Office Centro here in Costa Rica. How much more prove do you need?

he needs DNA swabs

09-02-05 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by TOW

Oficentro,

Originally Posted by TOW

Have you ever risked your life to get players paid ? I have, several times, both in Costa Rica and Panama.

i have not, i salute you for doing so in the name of getting players paid

I have learned how to understand potential danger from real danger.

when i say that he's dangerous, it's not a danger to you as you were the ceo of a company he bought, you have a voice on the boards, he cant simply cause you would not remain silent, how about the local guy or girl, in college, working to make ends meet, he presents a grave danger as if they got the shit knocked out of them, it will never be heard and it will go unpunished, i have seen this first hand - after the guy got his jaw busted up and 2 teeth knocked out, they took out the disposable camera and snapped a pic of him bloodied on his ass and said 'you've been warned'

You're obsessed with Tej. Fine with me.

i have been in cr for 8 years now, almost 6 in the gaming biz, i have worked with at least 20 people over that time who worked for tej at one time or another, they all relate the same tales, one when he left the company, was given a contract to sign that said he couldn’t come back to cr, that said he couldn’t talk to anyone person or company that he talked to when he was with graphix(this would include MCI lol), the guy naturally didn’t want to sign, tej left the office and in came the goons, armed, he signed - 4 years later, the guys still scared shitless of tej

He's not the kind of guy I'd invite to dine at my house for sure. That being said I know who Tej is and WARNED players about the risk of playing at the book he (fully) owns.

Just keep one thing in mind my friend: while you judge others (without knowledge) you comfortably hide behind an handle. I don't.

i have not been nor do i want to be an active member of the posting community, i don’t have any financial interest in doing so, i am a marketer and that’s what i keep myself busy with, i am not hiding, as a matter of fact, im just coming out in support of the posting community and ex amployees who decide to go public like Tita, as we both know, unless someone is here in cr and active in the industry and knows people who worked for tej, they cant comprehend how one person can cause so much damage, if i had never known the people who worked for him, i wouldn’t believe such stories myself, actually when i first heard them from one person, i thought he was making it up, until i heard it over and over again

Trust me when I say I'm way high on their shit list, yet I don't fear NavTej ****, Don Juan or any other of them. This is my strenght.

The reality is this, there is no one in the industry that has done what he did and continue to operate without being held accountable for the past – anyone that stiffed as many players as tej has skipped town and could never show their face, but tej???

This is truly a disgrace to the industry, it shows what greed can have people do, SHAME on the vendors, books, advertising platforms who continue to do business with him

09-02-05 03:29 PM

I think most of us are in agreement here, Tej is a prick scammer. Thats like saying the sky is blue, just because it is overcast one day does not mean that the sky is no longer blue.

If someone comes along and says, "Hey look, the sky is not blue right now, what proof do you have that it will every be blue again?" My answer is simple, "Just wait"

Every month a royal customer gets stiffed. Agents, marketers and players alike. The lucky ones know of the forums or people like Bill and Roberto who will go after the players money, what was going to be a Tej stiff job now gets turned into a paid off - slow pay. If they didnt come forward or didnt know of their options they too would be stiffed like so many on the every growing plack in Tej's wall called 'Guys I Stiffed'

When it comes to Tej and Royal, beware of anyone saying thinks like

Originally Posted by raiders72001

I urge people to deposit with Royal because of the great experiences that I've had there.

Because 99% of the time, they were bought off some way.

Originally Posted by raiders72001

I ... have plenty of money due to the generousity of Tej and Royal Sports.

09-02-05 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by raiders72001

I didn't realize that Tej is the only crook in this business.

Of course he is not, and I am betting you are just as crooked.

The more I read your posts the more I realize just how full of shit you are.

From one minute you are phone clerk-

Originally Posted by raiders72001

When the phone would ring I would jump to answer the phone as Tej would give bonuses to the top 10 employees to answer calls for the day.

Customers would call and ask if they could tip me because of the great service that they were receiving. I always turned it down because Royal was taking care of me.
.

and the next minute you have

Originally Posted by raiders72001

recently retired and have plenty of money due to the generousity of Tej and Royal Sports.

Your names not Kevin K is it? If so, your not retired. Unless you call hanging out between Tej' legs kissing his ASS, retirement.

BuddyBear · 09-02-05 03:58 PM

Is this thread ever going to end...i think everyone gets the point that Royal has lousy management, slow pays, and has poor customer service. That why SBR has them rated poorly.

pags11 · 09-03-05 02:36 AM

all good information to know here...am staying far away...

raiders72001 · 09-03-05 08:56 PM

Trouble Maker- Wake up. My comments that you quoted were made tongue in cheek to prove a point.

jjgold · 09-03-05 10:18 PM

I am sick of talking about Royal

05-29-06 05:51 PM

thanks tita. There have been posts since i last saw it

Mudcat · 05-29-06 07:33 PM

A blast from the past.

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