[BrentCrude]

Glove Romney,Mc Cane and the rest of the republican candidate 1/40th wits can't blame me for not buying american vehicles to prop up the inept and hapless american car industry. Me and my family have been loyal disgruntled buyers of american vehicles for many a decade.No matter how you maintain the junk,it's all engineered so bad that it's all just junk!!!!

So here we have all the candidates in Michigan like Romney and Mc Cain holding pep rallies in Detroit telling what the government can do to make the auto workers union stay in business by artificially stimulating and pumping up the auto industry with tax payer dollars.HOW ABOUT FOR STARTERS,MAKE BETTER VEHICLES WITHOUT GLARING ENGINEERING FLAWS!!!!The problem why that will never take place is because car companies have become health insurance maintenance groups and social programs that just so happen to make vehicles as a sideline.It's the same reasons why we have crap for roads and bridge infrastructure in this country and why the big dig in Boston costs billions and falls apart before it's done.The majority of the money tax payers pay for roads goes to pay social insurance programs for the empoyees and their extended,extended families and every Tony Soprano kick back and using good road and bridge material and engineering it properly is an afterthought.

So in Michigan we just had a republican primary where Romney and Mc Cain were yodeling that the sky is the limit as to how much they will spend in tax payer dollars to help the ailing car industry by sending laid off auto workers back to school for retraining to do cake decorating,picture framing and taxidermy.etc.It's all the same old socialist bull crap that got this country in the mess it's in where you can't produce a good car or good road to drive on!

God forbid that the democrats didn't have a heated primary there where they had to open the Santa Claus bag of freebie goodies because Hillary would have promised to hire people with tax payer dollars to wipe the auto workers butts after they came home from a hard day at vocational school learning how to decorate cakes.

Isn't there some new cartoon car out of India called a Tator tot that cost $2500?Watch out american car industry,a new clown car is out there that will put another nail in your coffin.

[betplom]

Agreed, most American cars are junk.

I just got rid of my old Dodge and bought a 2004 Toyota Camry XLE - what a sweet ride (and big difference).

I'll be sticking to Japanese built cars from now on.

[RageWizard]

O.K. guys, it might shock you to find out that a Toyota is more of an american car than the so called american car. I work in the industry, and you are right about the crappy cars put out by the Gm's, Ford's, and Dodge's, but that is more of a management function than a engineering function.

Ex. I access part formability of automotive structural parts ( I.E. frames for trucks). When one of the big three have a part that is risky or impossible to make correctly with out any flaws or extra cost, they typically jam it down the suppliers throat and tell them to pound sand because the supplier signed a contract (before they saw the frame by the way) to build a certain number of components for the OEM. What then happens is the supplier has to wait until start of production to get concessions and sometimes the product is flawed because of it. This usually cost a boat load of money and the flaws never really get fixed, just patched or barely workable. At Toyota, VW, Honda for example, they will identify the problem parts up front before production starts and actually work with the supplier so that the parts can be redesigned and thus the frame has better performance while saving the supplier money from all of the scrap, or tooling cost.

[The Seer]

Plus American cars guzzle more gas to help out the oil companies.

[robzilla]

I had a Pontiac sunfire. It caught on fire and almost blew up with me inside.

[20Four7]

I drive a ford F150 and have for 10 years. It's the best truck I have ever driven. It goes forever as my last one had over 400,000 kms on it. I think the imports are catching up but nothing has every compared to my F-150.

[The Seer]

Originally Posted by robzilla

I had a Pontiac sunfire. It caught on fire and almost blew up with me inside.

For some reason I'm picturing Brock Lesnar in a Sunfire on fire.

[RageWizard]

Originally Posted by 20Four7

I drive a ford F150 and have for 10 years. It's the best truck I have ever driven. It goes forever as my last one had over 400,000 kms on it. I think the imports are catching up but nothing has every compared to my F-150.

Funny you should mention the F-150, that is the one playform that has stayed the same with very little change for over 15 years. I designed the tools that make the hydroform rails in that truck starting in 2001,( I also designed several other part forming processes but the hydroform design is the industry standard that is used today for all Roboclamp tools). They are going to change the design again in 2009, but again there is little that is actually changing. As for the imports, the reason they are getting better is because the frame for the Toyota and Nissan are designed by the suppliers that designed the F-150, Chevy,and Dodge models ( Dana, Bud, Tower, Arvin Meritor).
Given the imports thought process, the trucks will soon be equals if not surpassing the big three.

Remember if you have performance issues that I did not design the parts or assemblies, just the tools that make the parts or assemblies.