[SBR_John]

Jay, (BetOnStars General Manager)
I have written and called you almost a dozen times and have not heard back from you. We had agreed almost 2 weeks ago that you would process payouts for my money as soon as I met the 20x rollover requirement.
I continued to bet as per your assurance and met that rollover 8 days ago. I have not received a dime.
You have sent me explicit emails stating that the accounting department would process a withrawal "ASAP" last Wednesday, but no such thing was ever done."

Notice this part "We had agreed almost 2 weeks ago that you would process payouts for my money as soon as I met the 20x rollover requirement.". This guy will hopefully be paid and we are sure going to demand he does but you are setting yourself up for a stiff job by agreeing to do a 20x rollover at a 2nd rate book. Dont even do a 20x at an A+ book for that matter. The very MOST you should ever agree to is 10x and to be safe stay with 6x or below.

[onlooker]

20x rollover is just insane. No way in hell. 10x is better, but still steep. 5x is about the highest anyone should go.

I sure hope this guy gets paid.

[marc]

there are a number of players who would have been very happy to do the 20x roll. What killed a bunch of guys with BOS was the 22 active day clause.

Generally speaking, 20x roll is just awful. But sometimes if it's a 50% or 100% bonus, you figure okif I send 1k ad get a $500 bonus, than I only owe 21k in action which is better than a 20% bonus on $2500 with a 7x roll.

Basically you hope to just scalp out right away. But if you don't succeed, you could have a long haul n front of you.

There was one player who did the 20x roll, but didn't do the 22 active days and asked if he could return the $300 bonus he recieved, and was told he couldn't. Meanwhile he was up 10k.

I know for myself, I've done the 20x rolls. The bigger the bonus, the worse it is. I've done the 30 day and 60 days holds. Those are also awful, but at least if your balance starts to get to high, you can just leave the account alone. But BOS was the first time I did the 22 active days. And when I was done, I was so resenful, I just wanted out. What ends up happening is after your roll s done, you spend every day trying to find something to bet on. And while some days, like sundays are easy, other days, there just isn't much to find. But every day you don't bet, pushes off the day that you can cashout. SO you struggle to find something. For 2 weeks I struggled to find something to bet on. That's one of the reasons I was so upset when thier neteller went dry on me.

I feel bad for Jay. I think he's trying to do his best. But he's not the owner, he's not the GM. He has very limited power. It's a tough job to market a book when the owners don't want to replenish thier neteller account.

[freebie]

I have a hard time doing 4X rollover, but 20X is like asking for a death wish.
Even after 20X roll, the player still can't get his money after 2 weeks.

I like Jay, but I knew this Bet On Stars Shit was no good from the beginning.

[pags11]

I agree John...5x rollover is the most I'll agree to with any book...

[SBR_John]

That was a very good post Marc, hope every one reads that.

Because thats part of the problem is you have to bet soo much and soo often you are playing right into the bookmaker's hands. The only guys who have a chance are the scalpers and middlers and then you have to worry about them cashing out before you and the book folding because all of you have about the same scalps.

[nikosgr]

I m ready to take a X10 rol bonus but this is the maximum.Mainly i m clearing X4 roll bonuses with books that appear many times in my arbs.This way, if you play the whole ammount in a surebet, you will be a winner in the longrun and possibly, your money will be transferred to an other book when you reach the half way to the X4.
The problems begin when you are winning all the time in one book, and much money starts to concentrate.
Also, many ppl are playing 1 bonus against an other, this method could create many problems when roll overs arent achieved.

[jomar]

I met the 20x rollover and 22 active betting days at BoS but it was tough at times. the 20x rollover was harder to me than the 22 active days though because I'm betting usually $30/$50 game so it took awhile to get to the rollover which equated to $12,000. I started to bet NBA just to make sure I hit the rollover by the end of the football season so I could get to my money.

Thanks to some of the guys who post in the Hoops forum, I ended up making a nice profit on the NBA games I bet on in addition to the money I was making betting NFL/CFB.