[jumper]

this may sound like nothing more than the rantings of a bonus whore but i believe there is alot more at issue here.when bet wgn began their email advertising offering 25% cash bonus with a 5x roll i refused to play there and posted at sbr if anyone heard of them.shortly thereafter they showed up with a d-.i sent them some money and scalped out,i sent more money and hit a side which then gave me a balance i played with their off lines.when the rollover was complete i requested a payout leaving $500 to play with,i was paid.i bet that $500 on denver-2.5 last weekend(again off line) and won,this time requesting my entire balance.this requested payout was refused because it was claimed i created negative publicity at sbr about them.this is inaccurate and i told vince all i did was added to a thread started by someone else.the thread about change a bet should be meaningless to him if they arn,t connected.i was told that the $500 in question is nonwithdrawable bonus money.i told them that i very clearly hashed out all the details of this promotion before playing and this was never the deal.so i said,fine lets withdraw down to $500 again and ill keep playing the nonwithdrawable bonus till i lose.that option is not available because of my ties to sbr.i can move on less $500,but everyone should know that all the negative rumors about betwgn are now confirmed because the way they kept the $500 bonus i earned,about 10x in action,makes their promotion worthless-and why would anyone take a chance playing there without a bonus.also they limit plays to $500.where there is smoke there is fire is accurate with these guys and any sportsbook controlled by frank from change a bet

[bigboydan]

there not going to pay you because of what you said, or so they claim wow!

[jumper]

thats right bbd,i told them that if i have a balance somewhere i,m not going to endanger my balance by posting negatively,but wanted to add to the thread bill started about wgn having ties to change a bet because i noticed sandals casino was same receiver as change.also same setup change used wherby the wagering center is in different building from customer service.i,ve already sent email to bill so thanks anyway for your offer.it is unfair to change the bonus offer once it has been earned and as a way of booting someone they know has no desire to play there anymore.lets call betwgn changeabonus-nonrefundable now.com

[natrass]

How did they know you were jumper from this forum, jumper??

[jumper]

it was obvious as they have limited players and i asked them about the change a bet connection once bill posted it.also,thinking about this while at the gym,i recall that my last $2000 withdrawl brougt my balance down to $476,so the excuse that $500 must remain is bogus and just initiated for my behalf.vince must need the $500 to put in his own pocket.the ownership of this book should come forth and address this issue.anyone drawn in by the offer of a bonus and their off lines should beware.they currently have seattle-3.5,i would buy the half and spank them with that play too.

[marc]

Wow. YOu would think after they already paid you 2k, they would just pay the balance and ask that you get back to SBR and post the fatc that you were paid in full without a problem

[Betman]

So they refused to pay you because for the "negative" comments you made about them.

I wonder if the opposite would work. Let's say you made a deposit, lost your entire balance and said sweeet things about them. Would they refund your money for the "positive" comments you made or do they apply this whole "philosophy" only when it works in their favor.

[Dead Money]

Note to self: Do not take badly to my stock broker or he may take all of my $$$.



Wow, sorry to hear about that BS jumper. Just another shitty book basically making theft legal.

[natrass]

Originally Posted by Betman

So they refused to pay you because for the "negative" comments you made about them.

I wonder if the opposite would work. Let's say you made a deposit, lost your entire balance and said sweeet things about them. Would they refund your money for the "positive" comments you made or do they apply this whole "philosophy" only when it works in their favor.

Dead right.

[jumper]

minor loss at change a bonus(wgn),sorry to hear about bet on stars,fortunately i didnt take advantage of the christmas promotion there.i need to revamp my strategy of playing with a book that only has a sbr presence.the d- rated books cant be trusted.has anyone heard of a 3x roll to cover neteller fees if no bonus elected.dont want to mention book in question but this seems like my money is being held hostage.

[bigboydan]

jumper, have you emailed bill dozer about this situation yet ?

[jumper]

yes,but changeabonus(wgn)told me they dont care about sbr and dont want those type(sharp)players there.they use blanket email marketing campaigns hoping to attract the most novice players.given bills feelings about scam operators that pop up with a new sportsbook every year,i would hate to be on the receiving end of his phone inquiry.

[Illusion]

SBR Bill Dozer reports: SBR receives first report of theft from BetWGN (SBR rating F-), which is run by former ownership of ChangeABet (SBR rating F-) and the owners of SunsetSports (SBR rating F-). The lead man now goes by Michael Franklyn and was previously using the name Peter Cole.

[Bill Dozer]

Vince called today to inform me that all payouts are sent in 5 minutes flat. He also claimed they are a different book than SunsetSports/Wager but didn't have much to say when asked about the servers, wagering center and marketing guys they share.

These crooks always try to tell you that "the investors are different" and that they have money. I guess they just chose to piggy-back on a stiff sportsbook because they are thrifty.

[natrass]

They are rated a G in my book now.

[onlooker]

03.29.2006 (12:21 AM CST)

Warning: New Scams Target Old Victims
One of the first things a reinvented scam sportsbook does after launching a new website is contact its old player database. SBR consistently receives no-pay complaints from players who eventually find that they were stung twice by the same conmen. The most recent example of this is FreeBetWorld.com which is using ChangeABet’s player list to give away free cash for players to wager with. If the player is unlucky enough to win, he must transfer his funds to one of the promoted books which are all operated by ChangeABet’s former ownership. A deposit is then required. Featured books have included BetWGN(SBR rating F), RoverSportsbook(SBR rating F) and 1stLines(SBR rating F).

Just be alert on offers like this, and do some research if you feel its to good to be true.