[BigBollocks]

I knew he'd be one of the first names to come out. Shame, shame, shame

[20Four7]

I was going to post this when I heard it on the drive back to my office. I guess I got beaten to it. I'm not surprised, I am surprised he's being named. They have protected him like no other player.

[pavyracer]

I was going to post this when I heard it on the drive back to my office. I guess I got beaten to it. I'm not surprised, I am surprised he's being named. They have protected him like no other player.

It's kind of hard to keep a body like his by playing golf like he does on the cell phone commercials. He was juiced. I wander also if the roids helped his golf game.

[The HG]

So that's how he was able to do so well for so long. I always thought it was because he had superhuman discipline and world-class training methods.

I wonder if people will start to call for EVERY baseball stat produced after 1990 or something to have an asterisk. That would be funny as hell, if every stat has to have an asterisk, that's what I would do. I would be like, "In 1999, Brad Ausmus hit .275* with 9* home runs and 54* RBI in 458 ABs" I guess you shouldn't put asterisks after ABs, but you could make a case that you should.

[cobra_king]

So that's how he was able to do so well for so long. I always thought it was because he had superhuman discipline and world-class training methods.

I wonder if people will start to call for EVERY baseball stat produced after 1990 or something to have an asterisk. That would be funny as hell, if every stat has to have an asterisk, that's what I would do. I would be like, "In 1999, Brad Ausmus hit .275* with 9* home runs and 54* RBI in 458 ABs" I guess you shouldn't put asterisks after ABs, but you could make a case that you should.

Or they could reduce everything by 33%. So in 1999 Ausmus hit .185* with 3 HR* and 18 RBI*......that would straighten things up!!

[dwaechte]

What bothers me is that people simply aren't reading into this well enough. The proof against Clemens is from the 97/98 seasons. Though it does show that he's willing to use performance enhancors and may make it somewhat more likely that performance enhancors have been a contributing factor to his extended stay in the league, it far from proves it.

[Willie Bee]

I am neither surprised by any name on the list, nor am I surprised to see so many of the Clemens Haters, Bonds Haters, McGwire Haters, Palmeiro Haters, et al, come out en masse today across the message board cyberworld with a lot of, "See, I told you so" posts. Does anyone really believe this is the list to end all lists? How many of these players testified in front of Mitchell? Better yet, how many owners were called to testify in front of Mitchell's panel?

This whole exercise has been like a parent that constantly tells their child not to jump on the bed. The child doesn't heed the warnings and continues to jump on the bed while the parent simply turns a blind eye to the shenanigans and turns the volume up on the telly out in the den so they can't even hear the child jumping on the bed. Then one day the child falls off the bed and hurts themself, and that's when the parent decides to discipline the kid.

The names that should be at the top of the list belong to Bud Selig and the owners, followed by all players (even those who didn't use them yet remained silent), the media (who turned a blind eye) and the fans (who also turned a blind eye).

[jjgold]

He cannot get in Hall now

[pavyracer]

It doesn't matter who is on the top or bottom of the list. If the majority of players use steroids and the league has tolerated it without any significant ramifications to the players so far it means that the only ones hurt by these revelations are the old players that did not use any drugs and see their records broken day after day. At some point in the future there will be no more clean HOF's alive to complain and since everyone will be juiced from there after the complaints will stop and MLB will still thrive and make millions. If the people only care about homeruns and strikeouts then baseball will become like Hollywood where all it matters is success by any means. The customer is what dictates the product and MLB has chosen to satisfy their customers by allowing steroids in the game.