[Fishhead]

List what you believe to be your TOP THREE best of the worst rated books at SBR(D+ or worse).

Thanks

[Dave]

isn't that like asking 'what flavor of shit do you like best?'

[Fishhead]

EVERY offshore sportsbook has its risk vs reward with yours trully.

[SBR_John]

SportingbetUSA. Yea I know they recently deleted a few players balances and they sometimes have problems. Butttt... their clerks are polite and well trained. A very good book in past times and hopefully they can return to full form.

[tacomax]

Yeah, you've got to have one of the Sportingbet group on the top of the "shit list".

[AK]

betonusa is a top 50 book

THey have some things to correct but they are not going anywhere

[kdmfox]

SportingbetUSA. Yea I know they recently deleted a few players balances and they sometimes have problems. Butttt... their clerks are polite and well trained. A very good book in past times and hopefully they can return to full form.

Well, that settles it ... I love polite while someone is picking my pockets clean.

[FreddeSwe]

Goldbet and Scandic Bookmakers are two good D+ rated books. Heard no problems about them and is good on some of the European sports.

[JoshW]

Ditto what John said about Sporting PLC group.

Second choice PointBet.com

[onlooker]

isn't that like asking 'what flavor of shit do you like best?'

I agree. No need to rate the shit crop of books.
Just stay away is all I can say. Stick with the safest opitions you have.

[Dave]

there are enough b+ rated books alone to cover most every type of player. A+ to B+ whats missing?

[juuso]

PointBet, they have the best asian handicap soccer lines with huge limits. On American sports their juice is almost identical with pinnacle. Reliable payouts too. When i deposit money it either goes here or Pinnacle. They would deserve much better rating, but their location in Indonesia is the reason for the D+ mark. A redused juice book with better prices than 95% of the A+ books. None of the A-B books, except maybe some betting exchanges, comes even close in soccer offer to Pointbet and risk/reward is well worth it imo.

[Scorpion]

Its eems like pointbet never replies to emails
http://www.sportsbookreview.com/sear...te&Submit=Home

[Fishhead]

I agree. No need to rate the shit crop of books.
Just stay away is all I can say. Stick with the safest opitions you have.

Disagree

Been with 150+ books and always looking to add more.

Luckily, only been stiffed one time ......ACES GOLD.

Lots of gold in them there offshore hills.

[docdekay]

If you're not assuming any caclulated risk then you're clearly leaving money on the table. I would have to agree.

[fixxer]

Playersonly is a D+ rated bookie, but sometimes I play with them, and I only had good experience with this bookie....

[bigboydan]

Disagree

Been with 150+ books and always looking to add more.

Luckily, only been stiffed one time ......ACES GOLD.

Lots of gold in them there offshore hills.

any bailouts needed at anytime, when dealing with all those books fish ?

[pjesnik24]

Me, as European bettor, like to bet mostly on soccer games and that is why I would rate Pointbet as maybe the best in industry. I've never had any problems with them but because of the rating here I try to keep the balance there under 500 US$.
You get one free withdrawal per week per moneybookers so that every monday (when I win of course) I request a payout and on Tuesday it is in my account. They have by far the best AH and total odds for soccer and like somebody already said, they have also great NHL and NBA odds.
Their customer service sucks as well as bonuses (there are not any, or some lousy 5% freeplay with initial deposit) but everything else together should put them into top 5 bookies for soccer.

[isetcap]

Disagree

Been with 150+ books and always looking to add more.

Luckily, only been stiffed one time ......ACES GOLD.

Lots of gold in them there offshore hills.

Perfectly stated, Fishhead. If you want to truly maximize the amount of money you can make as an online player, then you will have to open yourself up to some of the shadier options. I have learned that an important factor in getting paid is doing your research prior to depositing. Obviously if you've only had one stiff then you already know this.

There will always be options that trend upward and downward. The key is finding the books that are efforting to increase their rating. They are a goldmine. Read through the SBR wires and look for the books that are rated poorly but receiving recent upgrades.

[RickySteve]

Playersonly is a D+ rated bookie, but sometimes I play with them, and I only had good experience with this bookie....

I second this. I've made 20K+ in withdrawals here with no problems whatsoever.

[mschild]

I've played playersonly a few times and they paid fast. As a matter of fact, real fast.

[Doug]

I don't have 3 Fishy ;Not even sure of ratings, but maybe Stars, Sportsbetting.com, and Nojuice, NJ being best, guess I did get 3.

[the boss]

igotsports.com is a nice site.

[Bill Dozer]

A Sportingbet/World Gaming site will be on a lot of peoples' lists. They are either loved or despised.

Most complaints from their customers start out like this: "I have been with them for X years and never had a problem until now." The "problems" can be serious. If a bettor is aware they might void winning bets on non-mainstream sports and doesn't keep a large balance at any point in time, an advantage bettor might still want to use them.

I'd have to agree with most of the people here and go with Pointbet. PointBet has the potential to make the biggest ratings jump of any book that wasn't purchased if they can open a UK office. They know they are in a high risk location which is why they lie about it.

There are some books like PlayersOnly that might cheat a player but will never collapse and there are others like Pointbet who will try to do the right thing but risk becoming the next Game2Bet.

[JoshW]

Well put on comparison between Pointbet and Sportingbet. Had never fully thought it thought that way.

[pjesnik24]

I really never had any problems with pointbet and they are by far my favourite bookie. I wonded however why they dont't move their offices somewhere else where beting is legal (if it is true that they are working from a place where beting is illegal) when they know that they have loyal customers and completely clean reputation.
I never even heard anybody had any dispute with them.
Other thing is that they are a sponsor of one English soccer team and I am wondering how they can become that if they are not registered somewhere where beting is legal? I am sure that would be a huge problem for any soccer team anywhere in Western Europe if they are sponsored by some ilegal bookie. I am 100 % sure that at least GB based bookies would make a huge noise about that.
However, because of the ratings here I advise everybody not to keep their funds too high at pointbet even I do it sometimes over the weekend ;-)

[Bill Dozer]

They are in Batam Island, which is part of Indonesia.

[pjesnik24]

I have asked them that and this is what they have replied:

Thank you for your message.
The news is abosulutely false.
We are based from United Kingdom and this is our address :
65-69 shepherd`s bush garden
london w12 8tx
threshold &union house
5 th floor

can anybody confirm that address?

[pjesnik24]

I found that address in GB yellow pages and it seems that they are really registered in England:


Pointbet Ltd
5th floor, Threshold N, Union House, 65-69, Shepherds Bush Green, London, W12 8TX
Tel: 020 8749 9371
Classification: Bookmakers

just there were some problems with their IP if I remember correctly?

[Santo]

More than one place claim that address:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hs=Rg...G=Search&meta=

[pjesnik24]

yes, they are on 5th floor. I am quite sure that the British yellow pages to not lie about pointbet. Only possible problem is if they operate from that island previousely mentioned.

[Bill Dozer]

Pointbet is still in Asia. They have been planning to go to the UK and once they do it will be all over their site. The site and clerks used to say they are in the BVI, but now, if you ask where they are located over the chat they should respond with:

Pointbet.Com is part of Pointbet International Limited, the betting and gaming division of Riveira Group, a privately owned group with more than 15 years of experience on offline market based in Singapore and Hong Kong.

If you ping their site you get Nevada proxy. Below is their server info:

inetnum: 202.59.167.0 - 202.59.167.63
netname: Jasuma
country: ID
descr: Jasuma Securities Investama
descr: Cyber Building
descr: Jl. Kuningan Barat
descr: Jakarta, 12710
admin-c: SH144-AP
tech-c: GW8177-AP
status: ASSIGNED NON-PORTABLE
changed: hostm
aster@nap.net.id 20060201
mnt-by: MAINT-ID-NAPINFO
source: APNIC

[pjesnik24]

thx for the info Dozer