[SBR_John]

This book just missed A- status the last time because we played an account into them and they had website problems. They were working on their software at the time so it was a little bad luck for them.

Now I see Ken include them in his top 10 and also they are in the Rx top 10. But from the feedback and the review accounts that we have played through there I think our B+ is sharp. However, I'm willing to admit we have been too slow to upgrade them depending on your comments...so comments on Cascade's B+ rating??? under rated? about right? or over rated?

[imgv94]

CARIB is underrated!! Should be A- and bet365 is overrated.. should be
B- unless yr a soccer whore.. Well cascade I have heard alot of good things.
take bet365 and put cascade there...

[Illusion]

They are a pretty solid shop, but I think B+ is a great rating.

[pags11]

I think B+ is about right...I like the -105, but $25 for a payout is pretty ridiculous...

[freebie]

I don't like their website. If you their website to deposit Neteller funds. It doesn't ask for your account number. It only ask for Neteller ID and the amount. You can click on the deposit page without signing in, so how are they supposed to know who is depositing?

Unless I'm doing it all wrong. I really like cascade alot, but the deposit page scares me.

[bigboydan]

I feel this book is under rated even at a B+ and does deserve an upgrade to the A list.

Lenny has done a damn fine job at cascade, but not many people aknowlage it publicly, in regards to give them praise like they do some other books.

[AK]

Carib Sports is an A-
Cascade should stay the same

[BuddyBear]

I've heard good things about baseball...i may take a look but the $25 Neteller fee is too much for guys who are just recreational players like myself

[pags11]

I agree buddybear...I mean most A books have a max $15 withdrawal fee...most of them have free withdrawals...matchbook, pinnacle and mansion (even Hollywood) are better books with similar business models that don't charge the $25...

[slash]

Many players love the new fee structure.

[imgv94]

Originally Posted by AK

Carib Sports is an A-
Cascade should stay the same

Carib is the bomb!!! I love Pinnacle..

If Pinnacle was a woman I would never stop you know!!

you know????? My two favorite things that

start with the letter P are= Pinnacle and you know????

LOL!!!

[AK]

Originally Posted by imgv94

Carib is the bomb!!! I love Pinnacle..

If Pinnacle was a woman I would never stop you know!!

you know????? My two favorite things that

start with the letter P are= Pinnacle and you know????

LOL!!!

Good Move.. Pinnacle and Pussy are on my favorite list.

[pags11]

atta baby AK...

[Fishhead]

A-

[pags11]

fishhead, good to see you around the forum...

[RickySteve]

Cascade is so close to being an excellent book.

The -105 lines at Cascade can be very good, especially for NBA & NCAABK, both sides and totals. The few soccer lines are often soft. Their offerings are pretty limited though compared to most books. They have hardly any props or non-US major sports. Halftime lines are about as creative as they get.

I hate that they have zero overnight support. They don't even have so much as an answering machine either. The phone just rings and rings. The Neteller deposit system is very odd. They're processed manually so it can take a while to get into your account. $25 for Neteller withdrawals is ridiculous, but you do get one free check/wire per month.

Overall, Cascade has great dime lines, limited selection, subpar support, slow deposits, and expensive withdrawals.

[pags11]

so they do offer one free wire per month then?...I agree that the $25 for a neteller withdrawal is ridiculous...

[Bill Dozer]

Originally Posted by RickySteve

Cascade is so close to being an excellent book.

The -105 lines at Cascade can be very good, especially for NBA & NCAABK, both sides and totals. The few soccer lines are often soft. Their offerings are pretty limited though compared to most books. They have hardly any props or non-US major sports. Halftime lines are about as creative as they get.

I hate that they have zero overnight support. They don't even have so much as an answering machine either. The phone just rings and rings. The Neteller deposit system is very odd. They're processed manually so it can take a while to get into your account. $25 for Neteller withdrawals is ridiculous, but you do get one free check/wire per month.

Overall, Cascade has great dime lines, limited selection, subpar support, slow deposits, and expensive withdrawals.

Good post Ricky. You pointed out many of the things the recreational bettor would notice first if he had come from some of the heavily marketed corporate-style books like VIP or Bodog. The site has come along way recently but Cascade certainly isn't pioneering the technology aspect of the industry.

The pro or value player is probably going to vote 'A'. They are familiar with the old school bookmakers like Delmar, Grande and Heritage. They know the value of a unique number and reduced juice from an established book that pays.

[SBR_John]

Overall, Cascade has great dime lines, limited selection, subpar support, slow deposits, and expensive withdrawals.

Ricky knows how to close a review. Good post.

[slacker00]

With the Cascade talk lately, I thought this thread was a good bump.

I was trying to join Cascade this morning, but it says I need a referrer account number? WTF, must be a software glitch.

Also, is the free wire still available? $25 fee for Neteller is a little steep. Does anyone use the monthly free wire? Thx.

[jjgold]

They are definately no A book as very few are other than Pinnacle. It is a basic book that caters to more of a seasoned player too. The website is average at best, not many betting options, at times slow to put up lines, ect. It is not even close to a top notch operation as they do not have the man power or brains in the tech dept. The lower juice is a plus which keeps them at a solid B type book, lots of credit business which at times can make them risky to a degree. I think your money is pretty safe there but again other than Pinny, Greek, WSEX, Cris at times and BoDog no one else gets close to an A rating.

[JoshW]

Solid post JJ. I agree all around.

[koko]

The $25 withdrawal fees leave this reviewer cold.

[Santo]

I don't have a problem with the current rating. I do have a problem when you bring in the VIP rating for comparison. If Cascade are a B+, VIP are a B/B- at best...

[homedog]

The reduced juice is great.

Not having one free Neteller withdrawal per month really hurts them.

The site has been having continuous problems lately in crunch time.

B+ is fair.

[pags11]

I feel that B+ is also fair for cascade, although there are many more that should be at the B+ level here...I'm still trying to get info. as to the reason of the recent downgrade...

[wpet99]

One of the last books to post lines in my experience. I've had quite a few problems with cascade on another front and wouldnt put them in my Top 5, maybe just in my Top 10.

[Arilou]

Cascade shouldn't be anyone's primary book, as its server and wager selection issues are severe. I don't see why they don't upgrade servers, every time we can't get through they lose action. But as a secondary book that will often get you a better line on what you want, it is a top book. Right now I'd go for A- overall, and move them to A if only they'd get better servers.

[jjgold]

Arilou very accurate post

[slacker00]

Looks like I'm passing on Cascade. I sent them a message requesting my account number, and no response in 10 hours. I had nothing but software problems while I was signing up. I just don't need all the aggravation and worries when money is at stake. I need the secure feeling of fast-responsive-accurate software, not to mention at least modest CS.

FWIW, I found on Cascade's site that the $25 withdrawal fee applies to Neteller, but the other payment options have one free per month (cashier's cheque, bank transfer, sportsbook transfer, etc.). Just not Neteller.

[Dark Horse]

They were in my top four until you downgraded them to B+. If you give a good reason why they went down (no vague ones), I could make an educated guess. Right now, I'm just confused.

[BigDog]

**** Cascade and the dickhead that runs that shithole!....Sorry guys but I've had some bad experiences(very bad) with the prick behind the scenes......Let me make sure everyone understands my views about Cascade.....**** the book and the asshole who runs it!

[Brick Tamland]

Originally Posted by BigDog

**** Cascade and the dickhead that runs that shithole!....Sorry guys but I've had some bad experiences(very bad) with the prick behind the scenes......Let me make sure everyone understands my views about Cascade.....**** the book and the asshole who runs it!

what happened?

[jjgold]

Cascade was never a top tier mainstream book and never will be. It is a nice secondary book though.

[BSTPNM68]

Originally Posted by Dark Horse

They were in my top four until you downgraded them to B+. If you give a good reason why they went down (no vague ones), I could make an educated guess. Right now, I'm just confused.

I want to know too. I posted on Sunday morning asking why Cascade was downgraded to "B+". I pretty much got radio silence from this board. Nobody had an answer to my question.