[babaoriley]

I've got an MIS Presentation for my Business School and was wondering if anyone had powerpoint presentations or could at least provide some of the major talking points regarding the topic of Online Gambling, the governance of the industry, the hypocrisy within, etc... Just finishing up my MBA and have to give the presentation tonight. NEED TALKING POINTS (and maybe some facts to back it up)...

Thanks,
Baba

[babaoriley]

Buehler, Buehler... Anyone with aat least some talking points?

[robzilla]

I've got an MIS Presentation for my Business School and was wondering if anyone had powerpoint presentations or could at least provide some of the major talking points regarding the topic of Online Gambling, the governance of the industry, the hypocrisy within, etc... Just finishing up my MBA and have to give the presentation tonight. NEED TALKING POINTS (and maybe some facts to back it up)...

Thanks,
Baba

Tip #1, dont call it online gambling or you might look like a jackass. Call it online gaming (i doubt people will get it confused with Xbox live when u start talking about poker and sports wagers), offshore gaming or something to that effect.


This topic can cover alot of things... is there anything you want to focus on specifically?

[jjgold]

Just do a google search and get all the info you need son

[robzilla]

Just do a google search and get all the info you need son

A better topic is how joeyslats managed to stay STD free after banging all those hookers

[robzilla]

Have JJGold come give a speech!!!!

Hilarious....

"hey everyone...how ya ****in doin? "

[Shark79]

Wikipedia can help you out on this topic

[Willie Bee]

http://pcworld.about.com/news/Jun112003id111129.htm

http://www.businessweek.com/technolo...ampaign_id=ds3

http://www.cato.org/testimony/ct-tb052198.html

Baba, there are a few links to some stories you might use (and cite) in your presentation. All of them come from before the legislation passed in Sep '06.

How much time do you have before this is due? If you've got a week or so, I might be able to work some content up for you.

[Bill Dozer]

I've got an MIS Presentation for my Business School and was wondering if anyone had powerpoint presentations or could at least provide some of the major talking points regarding the topic of Online Gambling, the governance of the industry, the hypocrisy within, etc... Just finishing up my MBA and have to give the presentation tonight. NEED TALKING POINTS (and maybe some facts to back it up)...

Thanks,
Baba

Baba,

If you are doing an angle on gambling law there is no better person to talk to than Justin7. You can call Justin at 830-515-4139 or you can ask a few questions here. You should have no problem getting a few discussion points for people to give their opinions.

[Shark79]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_gaming

This can help you out!

[babaoriley]

Thanks everyone (especially Willie and Bill). I'm opening it up in a round table type of discussion but I'm hoping to illustrate the hypocrisy that goes on in the online gaming industry. I'm really going to start out by asking how many people trade stocks online, then segue into the online gaming side of things. I'm exhausted as all hell, but I figure I can answer any question that they throw at me. Again, thanks for all help. I truly appreciate it.

jj- I have a feeling you'd probably get me an A in terms of sheer knowledge, but an F by insulting my teacher or something.

Willie- I never did congratulate you on that A&M win. We need to get together sometime for a drink. I'm done with my MBA shit tomorrow, so maybe during the Bowl Season/NFL playoffs...

Thanks again and sorry if I inconvenienced anyone.

[babaoriley]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_gaming

This can help you out!

Thanks shark. I usually try to stay away from wiki, but in this case, you;re absolutely correct in that wiki does at least give a low level explanation of everything related to online gaming.

[jon13009]

Try these sites for talking points regarding US gambling laws:

http://www.gamblingandthelaw.com/

http://www.gambling-law-us.com/

Lots of stuff there, if you have time to go through it all....

I am not sure what the theme of you discussion is, but basically my problem with the whole thing as a US citizen is that our government has determined through the passing of the UIGEA that Americans of legal age cannot participate in something that citizens around the world are allowed to enjoy. Great Britain has established legal, regulated and taxed on-line betting for a number of years, meanwhile the US is allowing millions of taxable dollars to flow offshore.

The UIGEA is non-enforcable, according to many experts, and the WTO has taken action against the US Govt through fines and potential legal action. All the UIGEA has done is make it more difficult for US accounts to deposit and withdraw funds.

It is unlikely the US Govt would ever allow legalized on-line gambling regardless of the taxable benefits of a Vegas centered on-line gambling center due to the lobbying efforts of the Sports Leagues (NFL, NBA, MLB...) who fear undue influences on their respective sports. You could argue that FIFA and the English premier league continues to flourish in the midst of legalized on-line gambling, but no politician would ever back a thing.

Meanwhile, many states continue to use lotteries, horse racing, and slots to fund their budgets.

On-line poker has made some headway into establishing legalized on-line gambling; however, their proposals (namely the Frank proposal) would likely eliminate sports betting through "opt-out" clauses to appease the sports leagues. States would also have the option to opt-out of a federal on-line gambling law - thus leaving the US sports bettor to stay with their offshore accounts.

Now for the crazy talk.......................

If a legal vegas on-line book was available, I would drop my offshore account immediately.

Vegas would run their operations as they do now, through the Vig, and the US Govt would skim the taxes off that. Otherwise the US govt would require the Vegas on-line books to pay licensing and regulatory fees.....We would just be subjected to the juice we pay now, and Vegas would likely do what they have to do to push the flow of money their way (and could even lower the juice because they may have the resources and finances to do so to compete against the other on-line books out there.)

All Vegas would do is launch on-line operations (with software they already have and tested) and likely do a better job that 95% of the bozo's that operate offshore right now with better lines and real customer service departments. Attracting the international community to put their money into properly run US on-line Vegas books could be a boon to this country, but the short sightedness of the US Govt will continue to stop this. Hell the US govt has no problems being the number one arms dealer in the world, why not expand into the legal gambling sector as well?

We are talking potential billions - Joe Schmoe opening a $150 on-line account with Ceasars to place a few dollars on the Cowboys in the Super Bowl....Progressive NFL handicapping contests under Hilton that is open nationwide with a $50 entry....nationwide NFL suicide pools run by Ballys....$10 entries into MLB fantasy leagues under Harrah's.... This is why the sports leagues would have an aneurysm if someone in congress even suggests a proposal for legalized on-line gambling in the USA.

Poker is something people watch and play all the time and that alone would generate millions of taxable dollars into the USA. Since the Absolute Poker scam, the on-line poker industry would only benefit from regulated and licensed on-line poker in the US.

I am sure a lot of the off-shore gaming community would shake at the potential of competing against well reputable US Vegas on-line book agencies that would do things properly (or appear to do so) rather than risk losing their license. I can only think of the possible bonus potential alone (people get free trips and rooms for putting a few hundred in those slot machines alone!)

I would prefer that my money be in a safer place than the off-shore book I have right now - An offshore book that has no real regulatory agency or licensing requirements on how they ruin things, and could run with my account dollars if they just decided to take it with no real potential legal actions against them.

I would prefer a percentage of my Vig money to be used to help the US through the taxes generated through a reputable and competitive on-line Vegas book and poker site as well, instead of all of it just going towards Calvin Ayers' next lowbrow scheme.

The US Govt is fooling itself if it thinks it can regulate internet content and international polices regarding internet usage. Meanwhile, the US is falling behind the rest of the world regarding on-line gambling opportunities and losing millions upon millions of taxable dollars to the rest of the world. The USA produces NFL, MLB, NCAA and NBA games for the rest of the world to enjoy and gamble upon, and the USA should grab those dollars flowing out to offshore agencies and try to reel in those dollars for our own benefit as well.

GL.

[robzilla]

Thanks everyone (especially Willie and Bill). I'm opening it up in a round table type of discussion but I'm hoping to illustrate the hypocrisy that goes on in the online gaming industry. I'm really going to start out by asking how many people trade stocks online, then segue into the online gaming side of things. I'm exhausted as all hell, but I figure I can answer any question that they throw at me. Again, thanks for all help. I truly appreciate it.

jj- I have a feeling you'd probably get me an A in terms of sheer knowledge, but an F by insulting my teacher or something.

Willie- I never did congratulate you on that A&M win. We need to get together sometime for a drink. I'm done with my MBA shit tomorrow, so maybe during the Bowl Season/NFL playoffs...

Thanks again and sorry if I inconvenienced anyone.

If your teacher and half the students are republican you might get rocked.

I would start out talking about 9-11 and try to explain the relationship between Al Quada and offshore gaming. When rep. found out that debate doesnt make sence they switched it to protecting americas youth.

I would start the presentation by showing a pic of the plane crashing into the WTC and a dude playing poker on his computer and say, "what do these 2 things have in common?"

and then say "Ever think when you play in a sit and go tournament on a poker site that according to homeland security, you are paying for weapons of mass desruction?

[Willie Bee]

Willie- I never did congratulate you on that A&M win. We need to get together sometime for a drink. I'm done with my MBA shit tomorrow, so maybe during the Bowl Season/NFL playoffs...

Well thanks, Baba, but I really couldn't have done it without Coach Fran

Give me a shout sometime and we'll meet somewhere on the N or NE side of the Alamo City.

Here's one more link to a thread here at SBR that includes a letter from our US Congressman, Lamar Smith, who wrote me back in response to a letter I sent him early in 2006 regarding the Leach Bill...Congressman's response on Leach Bill

[Tchocky]

Giving your presentation tonight? Way to procrastinate. Good luck anyway.

[babaoriley]

Try these sites for talking points regarding US gambling laws:

http://www.gamblingandthelaw.com/

http://www.gambling-law-us.com/

Lots of stuff there, if you have time to go through it all....

I am not sure what the theme of you discussion is, but basically my problem with the whole thing as a US citizen is that our government has determined through the passing of the UIGEA that Americans of legal age cannot participate in something that citizens around the world are allowed to enjoy. Great Britain has established legal, regulated and taxed on-line betting for a number of years, meanwhile the US is allowing millions of taxable dollars to flow offshore.

The UIGEA is non-enforcable, according to many experts, and the WTO has taken action against the US Govt through fines and potential legal action. All the UIGEA has done is make it more difficult for US accounts to deposit and withdraw funds.

It is unlikely the US Govt would ever allow legalized on-line gambling regardless of the taxable benefits of a Vegas centered on-line gambling center due to the lobbying efforts of the Sports Leagues (NFL, NBA, MLB...) who fear undue influences on their respective sports. You could argue that FIFA and the English premier league continues to flourish in the midst of legalized on-line gambling, but no politician would ever back a thing.

Meanwhile, many states continue to use lotteries, horse racing, and slots to fund their budgets.

On-line poker has made some headway into establishing legalized on-line gambling; however, their proposals (namely the Frank proposal) would likely eliminate sports betting through "opt-out" clauses to appease the sports leagues. States would also have the option to opt-out of a federal on-line gambling law - thus leaving the US sports bettor to stay with their offshore accounts.

Now for the crazy talk.......................

If a legal vegas on-line book was available, I would drop my offshore account immediately.

Vegas would run their operations as they do now, through the Vig, and the US Govt would skim the taxes off that. Otherwise the US govt would require the Vegas on-line books to pay licensing and regulatory fees.....We would just be subjected to the juice we pay now, and Vegas would likely do what they have to do to push the flow of money their way (and could even lower the juice because they may have the resources and finances to do so to compete against the other on-line books out there.)

All Vegas would do is launch on-line operations (with software they already have and tested) and likely do a better job that 95% of the bozo's that operate offshore right now with better lines and real customer service departments. Attracting the international community to put their money into properly run US on-line Vegas books could be a boon to this country, but the short sightedness of the US Govt will continue to stop this. Hell the US govt has no problems being the number one arms dealer in the world, why not expand into the legal gambling sector as well?

We are talking potential billions - Joe Schmoe opening a $150 on-line account with Ceasars to place a few dollars on the Cowboys in the Super Bowl....Progressive NFL handicapping contests under Hilton that is open nationwide with a $50 entry....nationwide NFL suicide pools run by Ballys....$10 entries into MLB fantasy leagues under Harrah's.... This is why the sports leagues would have an aneurysm if someone in congress even suggests a proposal for legalized on-line gambling in the USA.

Poker is something people watch and play all the time and that alone would generate millions of taxable dollars into the USA. Since the Absolute Poker scam, the on-line poker industry would only benefit from regulated and licensed on-line poker in the US.

I am sure a lot of the off-shore gaming community would shake at the potential of competing against well reputable US Vegas on-line book agencies that would do things properly (or appear to do so) rather than risk losing their license. I can only think of the possible bonus potential alone (people get free trips and rooms for putting a few hundred in those slot machines alone!)

I would prefer that my money be in a safer place than the off-shore book I have right now - An offshore book that has no real regulatory agency or licensing requirements on how they ruin things, and could run with my account dollars if they just decided to take it with no real potential legal actions against them.

I would prefer a percentage of my Vig money to be used to help the US through the taxes generated through a reputable and competitive on-line Vegas book and poker site as well, instead of all of it just going towards Calvin Ayers' next lowbrow scheme.

The US Govt is fooling itself if it thinks it can regulate internet content and international polices regarding internet usage. Meanwhile, the US is falling behind the rest of the world regarding on-line gambling opportunities and losing millions upon millions of taxable dollars to the rest of the world. The USA produces NFL, MLB, NCAA and NBA games for the rest of the world to enjoy and gamble upon, and the USA should grab those dollars flowing out to offshore agencies and try to reel in those dollars for our own benefit as well.

GL.

Excellent stuff here. Many thanks to all who helped with the links... I know some of you were probably thinking "F___ him for waiting so long. He deserves what he gets", but you guys know how it is: end of my final semester so EVERY class has their final presentations/projects due at the same time. I ended up getting a reprieve and now have to present on Monday. Anyway, thanks again for the help and I'll let you guys know how it goes.