[Lunds15]

Hi everyone. I just wanted to let you guys know that I rolled my money with BJO over 20 times and I received my first payout with them and everything ran smoothly. Charlie at BJO has been absolutely great about helping me with anything that I've needed. She has returned all of my emails and phone calls right away. I just wanted to update you guys with this news. BJO stepped up and deserves many thanks for all their help....

[dwaechte]

Wow. I have to say I'm very impressed with this. Hopefully a couple others will be able to roll it over and have the same experience you did.

[Iwinyourmoney]

Up their rating!!!

[KDMJAM2000]

As a previous BetRoyal / SBG client, I too was one of the 20 or so unfortunate clients who was not refunded my profits with SBG due to their "syndicate" unfounded claim for many of us who pay monthly or annual subscription fees to Sebastian (sports handicapper) and followed his selections to place wagers with SBG.

Fortunately, Big Juicy Odds took the initiative and rolled over our "winnings" into their sports book, requiring a 20x rollover to be able to withdraw any proceeds. I was fortunate enough to more then double my 7K initial "transfer" of winnings from SBG to BJO and attain my 20x rollover (140K) this past Saturday. Charlie Stanton with BJO has been terrific to work with and I have to thank Bill Dozer with SBR for assisting in making this possible for all of us.

I received a portion of my winnings from BJO today and expect another transfer from Western Union tomorrow. I will, however, leave some of my funds with BJO as a show of faith and gratitude for their initiatve in making this all happen.

I will provide an update tomorrow or Thursday on whether I encountered any problems on receiving the remaining portion of what I have requesteed for withdrawal.

Good luck to all of you ex SBG clients who are with BJO; hopefully you are well on your way to attaining the 20x rollover requirement.

[curious]

I only have $225,000 more rollover to go!! woooohoooooo

[KDMJAM2000]

Curious,

So exactly how are you doing? Are you half way there yet or there abouts and if so, have you been able to increase or maintain your initial bankroll that BJO started you out with??

[ShamsWoof10]

How's your roll goin'..? You were doin' ok there for a while curious...

Good luck!!!

[curious]

Originally Posted by KDMJAM2000

Curious,

So exactly how are you doing? Are you half way there yet or there abouts and if so, have you been able to increase or maintain your initial bankroll that BJO started you out with??

My rollover was $600,000, I have $225,000 left. I have pretty much what I started with.

[Bill Dozer]

Thanks for the updates guys. This is great news. I'm very happy to see this group come out with something after such a great run. So far its been Christmas day for everyone requesting money from BJO. Good luck on your plays Curious!

[ShamsWoof10]

I might have to give these guys a try... Are all their lines -110 ..??? Do they have any promos like -105 days or any other type of promos..? I don't like paying full juice...

[curious]

Originally Posted by ShamsWoof10

I might have to give these guys a try... Are all their lines -110 ..??? Do they have any promos like -105 days or any other type of promos..? I don't like paying full juice...

They are -103 with a 10% sign up bonus. Call Charlie Stanton, she's great.

[durito]

they are -103/-103?

limits?

[curious]

Originally Posted by durito

they are -103/-103?

limits?

Limits are $2000 on straight bets and $1000 on teasers/parlays.

[durito]

Really. -103? Wow

I'd try and get through that rollover as fast as possible and get out.

[purecarnagge]

Damn I wouldnt know what to do with my bankroll if I got 100k. I'm a 500to 1g in my book at all times

[eyeball]

Do they really honor the -103 juice, or do they change the line on you. It sounds to good to be true. None of the other Books have been able to make a livin g with that kind of juice, What do you others think? Is this book safe?

[curious]

Originally Posted by eyeball

Do they really honor the -103 juice, or do they change the line on you. It sounds to good to be true. None of the other Books have been able to make a livin g with that kind of juice, What do you others think? Is this book safe?

Geezes. No, they don't change the lines. They are trying to build a brand. You want -103 and iron clad guarantees? Do you want fries with that too?

[eyeball]

Only if its super sized, I think I will give them a try this wek and call Charlie.

[curious]

Originally Posted by eyeball

Only if its super sized, I think I will give them a try this wek and call Charlie.

Start off with a small account and see if you like them.

[ShamsWoof10]

Do they take CC..?

[eyeball]

How long does it take them to process a deposit check or MoneyGram?

[durito]

Originally Posted by curious

Geezes. No, they don't change the lines. They are trying to build a brand. You want -103 and iron clad guarantees? Do you want fries with that too?

As a serious professional, I would think you'd understand that dealing -103/-103 on major US sports is an incredibly difficult endeavor. Pinnacle is the sharpest betting operation ever run. -- and it took them years to get to -105 (-104 for NFL).

Dealing odds less than that is a sure fire way to go bankrupt -- quickly. Promotion or not - i wouldnt risk $ there

[2Pac]

BigJuicyOdds -- what a homoerotic name.

[Doug]

Originally Posted by durito

As a serious professional, I would think you'd understand that dealing -103/-103 on major US sports is an incredibly difficult endeavor. Pinnacle is the sharpest betting operation ever run. -- and it took them years to get to -105 (-104 for NFL).

Dealing odds less than that is a sure fire way to go bankrupt -- quickly. Promotion or not - i wouldnt risk $ there

I have to agree, for now.

These bailouts ( very nice) ... make me believe the book isn't managing risk properly, when combined with low juice.

Why not spend the 100k ( or more ?) on advertising at other forums ?

It makes me wonder if they bit off more than they can chew, and are now spending the post-up money to pay bailouts ?

I can see a CRIS book being able to do select bailouts, but not little known, low juice places.

[thebigguy]

Originally Posted by Doug

I have to agree, for now.

These bailouts ( very nice) ... make me believe the book isn't managing risk properly, when combined with low juice.

Why not spend the 100k ( or more ?) on advertising at other forums ?

It makes me wonder if they bit off more than they can chew, and are now spending the post-up money to pay bailouts ?

I can see a CRIS book being able to do select bailouts, but not little known, low juice places.

Hi Guys

I noticed an old post from jjgold which I think is relevant.



12-08-2007, 08:14 AM
jjgold
SBR Hall of Famer

Pretty accurate, most people lose betting sports including Pros.

Betting sports and winning is just as hard as the commodity market.

[katstale]

Anybody know the limit on the 10% bonus? What is the rollover requirement on that? These guys might have to adjust there model--but even if they went to -107, if they have good deposit/withdraw options (NT/MB) and pay fast--they will make money.

Curious, are those 1-2k max bets also good for internet wagering--or do you have to call in to get those max bets?

[ShamsWoof10]

If it wasn't for middlers and scalpers I would think any book (as long as they don't gamble) would make money in the long run even at -103...

[Jamie_UK]

10% bonus @ -103 is suicide.

[durito]

Originally Posted by ShamsWoof10

If it wasn't for middlers and scalpers I would think any book (as long as they don't gamble) would make money in the long run even at -103...

You would be wrong. It took pinnacle years to get to -105 and they have the best run book in the business. Every other book that's tried has failed.

[Hap]

katstale, BJO on-line limit = $2K.

[ShamsWoof10]

Originally Posted by durito

You would be wrong. It took pinnacle years to get to -105 and they have the best run book in the business. Every other book that's tried has failed.

I don't believe so... Pinnacle is a good example actually... They may "offer" -105 but unlike other books they will juice the sh*t out of the side they believe to be the right side... In this case if the right side wins then the payouts are likely even higher then -110... You can likely get that at -105 with BOL, 5Dimes, or other low juice places...

You can "usually" get a better number at another book and if you get the better number at Pinnacle then it's likely the wrong side... It's my belief that Pinnacle is NOT in the business to get action of both sides and make money off of juice... I believe they can offer -101 and still do just as well because they are opininated and will still juice the sh*t out of what is "usually" the right side...

So what I am saying is no matter how low their juice is.. as long as they offer a worse number then the other books on what they believe to be the right side then they will still do just as well.... By doing so it tells line/price shoppers to take their action elsewhere if they want that particular side...

[Jamie_UK]

I believe they can offer -101 and still do just as well because they are opininated

Pinny being opinionated is one of the biggest myths in online gambling.

Its all WOM, opinion does not come into it.

[ShamsWoof10]

Originally Posted by Jamie_UK

Pinny being opinionated is one of the biggest myths in online gambling.

Its all WOM, opinion does not come into it.

Well I think you are saying they lean because money is going that way... You are a scalper so you know the side pinny. offers (at least in US Sports) with a great price (i.e. +7 +115) usually loses.. It's not always this way but certainly more often then not.. If, as you suggest, the price is higher because the money is on that side then Pinny. should be getting pasted!!! If sharps are moving those like that with that kind of money and it "not always but usually wins" then you know either they are opinionated or the sharps are KILLLLLIN' THEM... I don't think they are getting killed Jamie...

If an arb happens between Pinny and a rec. book (i.e. +3 +112 at Pinny. -3 -107 at a rec. book) the rec. book side "usually wins" and YOU know this... This tells me the sharps PLASTER Pinny.. or do they..??????

It makes a LOT more sense to me that Pinny. on SOME games has an idea of the right side and forces steam action away to another book...

[Bill Dozer]

BJO says they are happy to invest some of their budget in victims and make a contribution to the industry out of the gate. They feel that they are doing something great while showing how they pay.

They have to be careful that after they flex some financial muscles the smart players will give them a try. They state they are in an acquisition/branding mode right now and are aware that they are in a losing proposition. They will need to show some kind of long term plan and viable business model before climbing through the ranks. Right now they are set up to feed sharps who won't stay when the buffet is over.

[Jamie_UK]

Pinny do a pro job at managing their lines, I spend a huge amount of time watching the dynamic lines against other books, they do take educated money and switch the line, but they also take scalper/whore money which is simply money that is placed against books who are slow to change. They are only interested in managing a balanced book, and they do it VERY well. I make bets that change the dynamic lines at Pinny every day, I'm not sharp, i'm just a whore/scalper/arber, believe me its all weight of money.

Over 3 years of beating this game I can safely say that the only book who really do take an opinion is ladbrokes on certain UK horse races