[Lucas]

I bet at 5dimes U 37 in 1st 10 mins of 2nd half. Bet was graded as push, but official livescore http://www.ncaasports.com/basketball...21_DUKE@MARQET shows, that the 3pter to 37 came at 9:55.
5dimes rules say that bet are graded prior to tv record. Unfortunatelly I could not see the game. I am sure here are plenty of guys that recorded this match Can you please review it?
Thank you very much.

[pico]

uho, are you going to talk to tony?

[pico]

2nd Half Summary
TIME MARQUETTE SCORE DUKE
19:30 36-45 DeMarcus Nelson made Two Point Layup.
19:14 36-45 Foul on Gerald Henderson
18:48 Lazar Hayward made Three Point Jumper. 39-45
17:51 Foul on Dominic James 39-45
17:44 39-45 Gerald Henderson missed Two Point Layup.
17:44 Dominic James Defensive Rebound. 39-45
17:36 Foul on Lazar Hayward 39-45
17:22 39-45 DeMarcus Nelson missed Two Point Jumper.
17:22 Wesley Matthews Defensive Rebound. 39-45
17:06 Jerel McNeal made Two Point Layup. 41-45
16:23 Ousmane Barro made Two Point Dunk Shot. 43-45
16:13 Duke Full Timeout.
15:53 43-47 Jon Scheyer made Two Point Jumper.
15:44 Dominic James missed Two Point Layup. 43-47
15:44 43-47 Kyle Singler Defensive Rebound.
15:39 Foul on Wesley Matthews 43-47
15:39 43-47 Official TV Timeout.
15:36 43-50 Greg Paulus made Three Point Jumper.
15:15 Dominic James missed Two Point Jumper. 43-50
15:15 Dominic James Offensive Rebound. 43-50
15:12 43-50 Foul on Lance Thomas
15:12 Dominic James made Free Throw. 44-50
15:12 Dominic James missed Free Throw. 44-50
15:12 44-50 DeMarcus Nelson Defensive Rebound.
14:46 44-52 Lance Thomas made Two Point Layup.
14:32 Dan Fitzgerald made Three Point Jumper. 47-52
13:47 Dwight Burke made Two Point Jumper. 49-52
13:47 49-52 Foul on Kyle Singler
13:47 Dwight Burke missed Free Throw. 49-52
13:47 49-52 Gerald Henderson Defensive Rebound.
13:35 Foul on Jerel McNeal 49-52
13:35 49-52 Foul on Kyle Singler
13:23 David Cubillan made Three Point Jumper. 52-52
12:54 Dominic James missed Two Point Layup. 52-52
12:54 Marquette Offensive Rebound. 52-52
12:40 Wesley Matthews made Two Point Layup. 54-52
12:21 Foul on Wesley Matthews 54-52
12:15 54-52 Nolan Smith missed Two Point Layup.
12:15 54-52 Kyle Singler Offensive Rebound.
12:12 54-54 Kyle Singler made Two Point Layup.
11:50 Dwight Burke missed Two Point Layup. 54-54
11:50 Dwight Burke Offensive Rebound. 54-54
11:48 Dwight Burke missed Two Point Layup. 54-54
11:48 54-54 Kyle Singler Defensive Rebound.
11:41 54-54 Kyle Singler missed Three Point Jumper.
11:41 Dwight Burke Offensive Rebound. 54-54
11:39 54-54 Foul on DeMarcus Nelson
11:39 Official TV Timeout. 54-54
11:24 Lazar Hayward missed Two Point Jumper. 54-54
11:24 54-54 Gerald Henderson Defensive Rebound.
11:08 Foul on Dwight Burke 54-54
11:06 Foul on Dwight Burke 54-54
11:05 54-54 Greg Paulus missed Free Throw.
11:05 54-54 Duke Offensive Rebound.
10:44 54-57 Kyle Singler made Three Point Jumper.
10:26 Lawrence Blackledge missed Two Point Jumper. 54-57
10:26 Lazar Hayward Offensive Rebound. 54-57
10:22 Lazar Hayward made Two Point Dunk Shot. 56-57
10:07 56-57 DeMarcus Nelson missed Two Point Jumper.
10:07 Maurice Acker Defensive Rebound. 56-57
10:03 Wesley Matthews made Three Point Jumper. 59-57
9:40 59-57 Jon Scheyer missed Two Point Layup.
9:40 59-57 Lance Thomas Offensive Rebound.
9:39 Foul on Wesley Matthews 59-57
9:39 59-58 Lance Thomas made Free Throw.
9:39 59-59 Lance Thomas made Free Throw.
9:20 59-59 Foul on DeMarcus Nelson
9:20 Lazar Hayward made Free Throw. 60-59
9:20 Lazar Hayward made Free Throw. 61-59
9:07 Foul on Lazar Hayward 61-59
9:07 61-60 Kyle Singler made Free Throw.
9:07 61-61 Kyle Singler made Free Throw.
8:41 Foul on Jerel McNeal 61-61
8:41 61-62 Gerald Henderson made Free Throw.
8:41 61-62 Gerald Henderson missed Free Throw.
8:41 61-62 Duke Offensive Rebound.
8:18 61-62 Kyle Singler missed Two Point Jumper.
8:14 Dominic James Defensive Rebound. 61-62
8:14 David Cubillan missed Three Point Jumper. 61-62
8:13 61-62 DeMarcus Nelson Defensive Rebound.
7:44 61-62 Official TV Timeout.
7:22 61-65 Greg Paulus made Three Point Jumper.
7:05 Dominic James missed Three Point Jumper. 61-65
7:05 61-65 DeMarcus Nelson Defensive Rebound.
6:57 61-65 Nolan Smith missed Three Point Jumper.
6:57 61-65 Lance Thomas Offensive Rebound.
6:43 61-65 Greg Paulus missed Three Point Jumper.
6:43 Wesley Matthews Defensive Rebound. 61-65
6:20 Dominic James missed Two Point Jumper. 61-65
6:20 61-65 DeMarcus Nelson Defensive Rebound.
6:12 Duke Full Timeout.
6:03 61-67 Lance Thomas made Two Point Layup.
6:03 Foul on Ousmane Barro 61-67
6:03 61-67 Lance Thomas missed Free Throw.
6:03 Wesley Matthews Defensive Rebound. 61-67
5:49 Jerel McNeal made Two Point Layup. 63-67
5:32 63-69 DeMarcus Nelson made Two Point Layup.
5:18 Maurice Acker made Three Point Jumper. 66-69
4:59 66-69 DeMarcus Nelson missed Three Point Jumper.
4:59 Ousmane Barro Defensive Rebound. 66-69
4:48 Jerel McNeal missed Three Point Jumper. 66-69
4:48 Ousmane Barro Offensive Rebound. 66-69
4:42 66-69 Foul on DeMarcus Nelson
4:42 Ousmane Barro made Free Throw. 67-69
4:42 Ousmane Barro missed Free Throw. 67-69
4:40 67-69 Kyle Singler Defensive Rebound.
4:40 Foul on Dan Fitzgerald 67-69
4:40 67-70 Kyle Singler made Free Throw.
4:40 67-71 Kyle Singler made Free Throw.
4:26 Jerel McNeal missed Three Point Jumper. 67-71
4:26 67-71 Jon Scheyer Defensive Rebound.
4:01 67-71 Foul on Greg Paulus
4:01 Jerel McNeal made Free Throw. 68-71
4:01 Jerel McNeal missed Free Throw. 68-71
4:01 68-71 Lance Thomas Defensive Rebound.
3:45 68-71 Gerald Henderson missed Two Point Jumper.
3:45 68-71 Kyle Singler Offensive Rebound.
3:42 68-71 Official TV Timeout.
3:34 68-71 Greg Paulus missed Three Point Jumper.
3:34 Jerel McNeal Defensive Rebound. 68-71
3:29 Lazar Hayward made Two Point Layup. 70-71
2:57 70-73 Gerald Henderson made Two Point Jumper.
2:49 Maurice Acker missed Two Point Layup. 70-73
2:49 70-73 Jon Scheyer Defensive Rebound.
2:34 Duke Full Timeout.
2:18 Lazar Hayward missed Two Point Layup. 70-73
2:18 70-73 Duke Defensive Rebound.
1:54 Foul on Dominic James 70-73
1:42 70-73 Foul on Gerald Henderson
1:13 70-73 Foul on Kyle Singler
1:13 Lazar Hayward missed Free Throw. 70-73
1:13 Lazar Hayward made Free Throw. 71-73
1:13 Marquette Full Timeout.
0:43 Foul on Dominic James 71-73
0:43 71-74 Gerald Henderson made Free Throw.
0:43 Marquette Full Timeout.
0:43 71-75 Gerald Henderson made Free Throw.
0:32 Jerel McNeal made Two Point Layup. 73-75
0:26 Duke Full Timeout.
0:13 Foul on Dominic James 73-75
0:13 73-76 Kyle Singler made Free Throw.
0:13 Marquette Full Timeout.
0:13 73-77 Kyle Singler made Free Throw.
0:07 Dominic James missed Three Point Jumper. 73-77
0:07 73-77 Gerald Henderson Defensive Rebound.
0:00 End Game

[bigboydan]

I didn't tivo this game at all I'm sorry to say Lucas, however I see that ESPN shows the same thing you are seeing on that link you provided above.

10:03 Wesley Matthews made Three Point Jumper.

Check it out for yourself here.

[Lucas]

thanks guys, so far it is 2-2
sports.yahoo.com and espn.com is against me
sportsline and ncaasports.com show this:

20:00 Start of period
19:31 45-36 DUKE DeMarcus Nelson made Layup, Assist Greg Paulus
19:14 DUKE Personal foul on Gerald Henderson
18:49 45-39 MARQET Lazar Hayward made 3-pt. Jump Shot, Assist Jerel McNeal
18:31 DUKE Bad pass turnover on DeMarcus Nelson
18:04 MARQET Bad pass turnover on Jerel McNeal
17:51 MARQET Personal foul on Dominic James
17:45 45-39 DUKE Gerald Henderson missed Jump Shot, Blocked by Ousmane Barro
17:41 MARQET Defensive Rebound by Dominic James
17:34 MARQET Offensive foul on Lazar Hayward
17:34 MARQET Offensive Foul turnover on Lazar Hayward
17:22 45-39 DUKE DeMarcus Nelson missed Turnaround Jump Shot
17:18 MARQET Defensive Rebound by Wesley Matthews
17:08 45-41 MARQET Jerel McNeal made Layup, Assist Ousmane Barro
16:25 45-43 MARQET Ousmane Barro made Slam Dunk, Assist Wesley Matthews
16:12 DUKE Full Timeout
15:54 47-43 DUKE Jon Scheyer made Jump Shot
15:44 47-43 MARQET Dominic James missed Jump Shot
15:42 DUKE Defensive Rebound by Kyle Singler
15:39 MARQET Personal foul on Wesley Matthews
15:39 TV Timeout
15:34 50-43 DUKE Greg Paulus made 3-pt. Jump Shot, Assist DeMarcus Nelson
15:14 50-43 MARQET Dominic James missed Jump Shot
15:08 MARQET Offensive Rebound by Dominic James
15:12 DUKE Personal foul on Lance Thomas
15:12 50-44 MARQET Dominic James made 1st of 2 Free Throws
15:12 50-44 MARQET Dominic James missed 2nd of 2 Free Throws
15:12 MARQET Defensive Rebound by Ousmane Barro
14:48 52-44 DUKE Lance Thomas made Layup
14:32 52-47 MARQET Dan Fitzgerald made 3-pt. Jump Shot, Assist Dominic James
14:15 DUKE Travelling turnover on Greg Paulus
13:49 52-49 MARQET Dwight Burke made Layup, Assist Jerel McNeal
13:49 52-49 MARQET Dwight Burke missed Free Throw
13:49 DUKE Defensive Rebound by Gerald Henderson
13:37 MARQET Personal foul on Jerel McNeal
13:37 DUKE Away From Play foul on Kyle Singler
13:22 52-52 MARQET David Cubillan made 3-pt. Jump Shot, Assist Dominic James
13:10 DUKE Back court violation turnover on Nolan Smith
13:00 52-52 MARQET Dominic James missed Layup
12:40 52-54 MARQET Wesley Matthews made Layup
12:22 MARQET Personal foul on Wesley Matthews
12:15 52-54 DUKE Nolan Smith missed Layup
12:10 DUKE Offensive Rebound by Kyle Singler
12:08 54-54 DUKE Kyle Singler made Tip-in
11:50 54-54 MARQET Dwight Burke missed Layup
11:46 MARQET Offensive Rebound by Dwight Burke
11:44 54-54 MARQET Dwight Burke missed Layup
11:40 DUKE Defensive Rebound by Kyle Singler
11:38 54-54 DUKE Kyle Singler missed 3-pt. Jump Shot
11:39 DUKE Loose ball foul on DeMarcus Nelson
11:39 Official Timeout
11:29 54-54 MARQET Lazar Hayward missed Floating Jump Shot
11:21 DUKE Defensive Rebound by Gerald Henderson
11:08 MARQET Shooting foul on Dwight Burke
11:06 MARQET Personal foul on Dwight Burke
11:06 54-54 DUKE Greg Paulus missed Free Throw
10:43 57-54 DUKE Kyle Singler made 3-pt. Jump Shot, Assist Jon Scheyer
10:26 57-54 MARQET Lawrence Blackledge missed Turnaround Jump Shot
10:12 MARQET Offensive Rebound by Lazar Hayward
10:10 57-56 MARQET Lazar Hayward made Slam Dunk
10:03 57-56 DUKE Gerald Henderson missed Jump Shot
9:56 MARQET Defensive Rebound by Jerel McNeal
9:55 57-59 MARQET Wesley Matthews made 3-pt. Jump Shot, Assist Maurice Acker
9:37 57-59 DUKE Jon Scheyer missed Jump Shot
9:31 DUKE Offensive Rebound by Lance Thomas
9:31 MARQET Personal foul on Wesley Matthews
9:31 58-59 DUKE Lance Thomas made 1st of 2 Free Throws
9:31 59-59 DUKE Lance Thomas made 2nd of 2 Free Throws
9:19 DUKE Shooting foul on DeMarcus Nelson
9:19 59-60 MARQET Lazar Hayward made 1st of 2 Free Throws
9:19 59-61 MARQET Lazar Hayward made 2nd of 2 Free Throws
9:07 MARQET Personal foul on Lazar Hayward
9:07 60-61 DUKE Kyle Singler made 1st of 2 Free Throws
9:07 61-61 DUKE Kyle Singler made 2nd of 2 Free Throws
8:56 MARQET Lost ball turnover on Maurice Acker
8:42 MARQET Shooting foul on Jerel McNeal
8:42 62-61 DUKE Gerald Henderson made 1st of 2 Free Throws
8:42 62-61 DUKE Gerald Henderson missed 2nd of 2 Free Throws
8:28 62-61 DUKE Kyle Singler missed Turnaround Jump Shot
8:24 MARQET Defensive Rebound by Dominic James
8:22 62-61 MARQET David Cubillan missed 3-pt. Jump Shot
8:17 DUKE Defensive Rebound by DeMarcus Nelson
8:06 DUKE Travelling turnover on Greg Paulus
7:44 MARQET Travelling turnover on Wesley Matthews
7:44 TV Timeout
7:18 65-61 DUKE Greg Paulus made 3-pt. Jump Shot
7:02 65-61 MARQET Dominic James missed 3-pt. Jump Shot
6:59 DUKE Defensive Rebound by DeMarcus Nelson
6:54 65-61 DUKE Nolan Smith missed 3-pt. Jump Shot
6:50 DUKE Offensive Rebound by Lance Thomas
6:38 65-61 DUKE Greg Paulus missed 3-pt. Jump Shot
6:35 MARQET Defensive Rebound by Wesley Matthews
6:18 65-61 MARQET Dominic James missed Layup
6:15 DUKE Defensive Rebound by DeMarcus Nelson
6:15 DUKE 30-second Timeout
6:02 67-61 DUKE Lance Thomas made Layup
6:02 MARQET Shooting foul on Ousmane Barro
6:02 67-61 DUKE Lance Thomas missed Free Throw
6:02 MARQET Defensive Rebound by Wesley Matthews
5:50 67-63 MARQET Jerel McNeal made Layup, Assist Maurice Acker
5:32 69-63 DUKE DeMarcus Nelson made Driving Layup
5:19 69-66 MARQET Maurice Acker made 3-pt. Jump Shot
4:55 69-66 DUKE DeMarcus Nelson missed 3-pt. Jump Shot
4:52 MARQET Defensive Rebound by Ousmane Barro
4:47 69-66 MARQET Jerel McNeal missed 3-pt. Jump Shot
4:43 MARQET Offensive Rebound by Ousmane Barro
4:42 DUKE Loose ball foul on DeMarcus Nelson
4:42 69-67 MARQET Ousmane Barro made 1st of 2 Free Throws
4:42 69-67 MARQET Ousmane Barro missed 2nd of 2 Free Throws
4:42 MARQET Loose ball foul on Dan Fitzgerald
4:40 70-67 DUKE Kyle Singler made 1st of 2 Free Throws
4:40 71-67 DUKE Kyle Singler made 2nd of 2 Free Throws
4:24 71-67 MARQET Jerel McNeal missed 3-pt. Jump Shot
4:19 DUKE Defensive Rebound by Jon Scheyer
4:01 DUKE Personal foul on Greg Paulus
4:01 71-68 MARQET Jerel McNeal made 1st of 2 Free Throws
4:01 71-68 MARQET Jerel McNeal missed 2nd of 2 Free Throws
4:01 DUKE Defensive Rebound by Lance Thomas
3:44 71-68 DUKE Gerald Henderson missed Layup
3:40 DUKE Offensive Rebound by Kyle Singler
3:42 TV Timeout
3:34 71-68 DUKE Greg Paulus missed 3-pt. Jump Shot
3:30 MARQET Defensive Rebound by Jerel McNeal
3:28 71-70 MARQET Lazar Hayward made Layup, Assist Jerel McNeal
2:55 73-70 DUKE Gerald Henderson made Floating Jump Shot
2:46 73-70 MARQET Maurice Acker missed Layup
2:40 DUKE Defensive Rebound by Jon Scheyer
2:40 DUKE 30-second Timeout
2:23 DUKE Lost ball turnover on Jon Scheyer, Stolen by Wesley Matthews
2:15 73-70 MARQET Lazar Hayward missed Jump Shot
1:54 MARQET Offensive foul on Dominic James
1:54 MARQET Offensive Foul turnover on Dominic James
1:42 DUKE Offensive foul on Gerald Henderson
1:42 DUKE Offensive Foul turnover on Gerald Henderson
1:12 DUKE Shooting foul on Greg Paulus
1:12 73-70 MARQET Lazar Hayward missed 1st of 2 Free Throws
1:12 73-71 MARQET Lazar Hayward made 2nd of 2 Free Throws
1:12 MARQET 30-second Timeout
44.0 MARQET Shooting foul on Dominic James
44.0 74-71 DUKE Gerald Henderson made 1st of 2 Free Throws
44.0 MARQET 30-second Timeout
44.0 75-71 DUKE Gerald Henderson made 2nd of 2 Free Throws
33.0 75-73 MARQET Jerel McNeal made Turnaround Jump Shot
30.0 DUKE 30-second Timeout
13.0 MARQET Personal foul on Dominic James
13.0 76-73 DUKE Kyle Singler made 1st of 2 Free Throws
13.0 MARQET 30-second Timeout
13.0 77-73 DUKE Kyle Singler made 2nd of 2 Free Throws
2.0 77-73 MARQET Dominic James missed 3-pt. Jump Shot
0.0 DUKE Defensive Rebound by Gerald Henderson

it is my first part-half time bet and of course problem

[bigboydan]

Heres a live chat session I just had with them Lucas

Chat InformationYou are now chatting with 'Fred'

Fred: Hello. How may I assist you today?

guest: Hi, I was thinking about signing up with your company to wager on some college basketball proposition wagers. I was wondering which scoreboard do you use in order to grade the wagers in case I'm not close to my tv?

Fred: we use different references for our gradings, from official websites, wagering-related software
guest: which ones for example?

Fred: Just a moment please

guest: ok

Fred: depends on the league and sport, we like to have all the references that we can so that we can double check any information

Fred: in some gradings we tape games, we use official links, club websites,

Fred: a number of references that are not necessary the single one used for a wager type all the time.

Fred: Just a moment please

guest: k

Fred: ok sir, I just got an answer form the waering department

Fred: for grading purposes, we use selected wagering-related software that we pay for

Fred: we could use other references if it is necessary, so a particular scoreboard or software is not held as the sole official result that will be considered for our gradings

guest: like for example DonBest or something like that?

Fred: that could be the case sir, that information is not disclosed by our wagering department.

guest: ok, so basically the bottom line is that you don't have any official website you use.

Fred: we prefer to use wagering-sftware-related and other references if there is need.

Fred: we use a number of references, but we don't call any the official one for our gradings

guest: Look at it from my point of view here for a second. Lets say I opened up an account with your company and played these types of wagers, how do I know I'd be getting a fairly graded wager.

guest: clearly you are not telling me which type of scoreboard you are using in order for me to use as a reference to check my wagers.

Fred: Just a moment please

guest: k

Fred:I cannot tell you which software we use because the software's name will not be considered for claim purposes

Fred: We will always use the result that is correct for grading purposes,

Fred: according to our rules and Vegas rules as well

Fred: If you have any doubt regarding how a wager will get graded you can read our rules section, since we will grade tickets according to that.

guest: your rules page doesn't show which scoreboard you use to grade the wagers though.

guest: hence my original question

Fred: That's because we don't use a single source,

Fred: we might use a reference for some gradings and other for another.

Fred: We could use software to grade NFL games while at the same time checking the official US Open Website for a grading on Tennis

Fred: Is there anything else I can assist you with?

guest: Well I see this is rather pointless. Apparently you know and or don't want to tell me what you use. So I guess you couldn't assist me in the first place.

guest: Thanks

Fred: your welcome sir, I gave you correct information about how we grade games

Fred: I cannot tell you software names because we don't disclose that kind of information

guest: Fair enough... Your answer is as clear as day.

guest: Cya

Fred: have a great day

Chat InformationChat session has been terminated by the site operator.

Well theres an hour of my life I just wasted.

No wonder they have a terrible history of mis-grading wagers. It's because they can manipulate things to their advantage.

If all else fails Lucas... I'm sure one of the ESPN networks will show a replay of this game at some point. So hopefully somebody will keep an eye out of it when it airs and posts it. Then maybe we will get our answer for sure.

[tacomax]

Well theres an hour of my life I just wasted.

I've told you before, if you take your dick out of your hand when you're on the computer, you can type a lot quicker.

No wonder they have a terrible history of mis-grading wagers. It's because they can manipulate things to their advantage.

That's complete horseshit.

If you're going to grade wagers like this then do it according to a set source. Not naming the sources opens the book to take a shot at every player out there.

I wonder what God would say.

[isetcap]

Looks like a replay is coming on ESPNU at 10:30 Middeurope Time.

Actually, no, the guide appears to have it wrong.

[isetcap]

I just watched the game and I can officially say that both livescore feeds posted here are incorrect. In fact, this result was an absolute photo finish. I had to go frame by frame to actually determine the outcome.

With 10:01 remaining in the second half, the shot leaves the player's hands. At exactly 10:00 the shot crosses through the rim officially adding 3 points to the score and totalling 37 up until that moment in the half. It is a brutally bad beat, but I would be inclined to think that PUSH is indeed the correct grade. I base this reasoning on the fact that any shot which is in the air when time runs out is counted.

There is a bit of a conundrum here, though, and that is that 10 full minutes had elapsed before the 3 went through the rim. Therefore the grade of PUSH is reliant on the fact that the ball was released when 9:59 had elapsed. The 37th point was not officially on the scoreboard until 10:00 minutes had passed, therefore there is certainly an argument that only 34 points came in the first 10 minutes of the second half.

[isetcap]

I just went to the 5dimes website and found the pertinent rule for this situation...

NCAA first & next 10-minute results are determined from recorded tapes of television broadcasts. The ball must be completely through the cylinder and net before 9:59 remaining for a basket to be official in the first 10 minutes of a half.

I can verify that the ball was through the cylinder and net with exactly 10:00 showing on the clock.

Hmmm, only 9 points were scored in the first 4 minutes. I wonder if 5Dimes left this one on the board a little too long...if so, I would suggest quietly accepting the push.

[Lucas]

i would ike to thank to all people here, esp. BBD and isetcap, i really did not think somebody would really care about this one, it is not a happy push, but nice to see interest

conclusion: since the things about 10th min are absolutely uncertain, it is good suggestion not to bet those bets at 5dimes, even when NCAAB with bonus rules might be handy /because i would not like to see the dealing if the ball hit the rim and net at 9:59/

[bigboydan]

Not a problem at all Lucas.

If that is the case Isetcap, then the push would be the correct grading in this dispute.

I just wish that they would clarify their stance on a scoreboard rulings though, because if a game isn't televised. Then how can any of their players really know they are getting a fair shake at all. I mean I just hate to be at their mercy when it comes to some highly questionable grading is all.

[atakdog]

But BBD, if they clarified their position then they couldn't as easily f\*\*k players by using whichever source helps them.

I wonder whether they actually graded all the wagers on that bet as losses, in both directions?

A rating, my ass.

[Lucas]

to BBD: i think they offer those only for tv games, maybe i am wrong
to atakdog: this is an interesting question, i am pretty sure that some people must hit over hardly, because those bets open at -110 and i took the under at +105
but for me the debate is over, isetcap´s research was precise i guess; but i agree, they might change their rules of grading to some independent source

[bigboydan]

But BBD, if they clarified their position then they couldn't as easily f\*\*k players by using whichever source helps them.

I wonder whether they actually graded all the wagers on that bet as losses, in both directions?

A rating, my ass.

As Isetcap did mention above... They clarified the "TV games" rules, but they never clarified the scoreboard ruling. Well since this game was on TV (espn game) then it would be correct.

I will say this much on this subject though. If they don't clearly state in their rules which scoreboard their is, and if somebody approaches me with a dispute. Along with proof of the play-by-play call from a few different scoreboards play-by-play calls. Then I'd have to say they have a legitimate dispute based on the grey area of the matter in regards to their current rules structure on proposition wagers.