[SBR_John]

I wanted to put Texas in at +7 -105 or maybe -108 or so. But I can't find it. Am I blind in one eye and can't see out of the other? Or is it history?

[David]

Order form is only for MLB and NBA.

[Mudcat]

FWIW, there is a little over 18K available right now on TEX +7 -104 on the Mansion exchange (that works out to -105 with the commission). No ordering necessary.

[onlooker]

Hey John, use the drop down and you can get +7 for -104 at Pinnacle. Thats what I show right now.

[David]

You can get Texas +7 -104 at Pinny right now. No need for the order form.

[SBR_John]

Typo... I meant 7.5 -105

OK thanks, and thanks David. I know I had seen it but I looked and couldnt find it.

[onlooker]

Typo... I meant 7.5 -105

I figured that. Id wait it out John. Im sure more will pound USC at -7.

[SBR_John]

With Pinny I'm about 99.9% sure that line will fluctuate from where it is now +7.5 -115 to +7.5 -105 but I'm traveling.

Pinny ought to use that form for football. I know of at least one sucker that would use it

[onlooker]

Pinny ought to use that form for football. I know of at least one sucker that would use it

I agree. That would be a nice addition if they added that for football.

Let Bill have your user ID and password and let him place the bet once it gets down to where you want.

[magnavox]

I agree. That would be a nice addition if they added that for football.

Let Bill have your user ID and password and let him place the bet once it gets down to where you want.

... and that would be the violation of SBR rules, set out by John himself.

[onlooker]

... and that would be the violation of SBR rules, set out by John himself.

Its a joke Mag. Relax.

[pags11]

John, Pinnacle is showing exactly that right now...I have to think we will see 7.5 at some point in the next couple of days...the question will be at what juice...if you have to pay -110 or more for 7.5 you are better off taking 7 at -105...GL my friend (except with this next game)...

[docdekay]

John, Pinnacle is showing exactly that right now...I have to think we will see 7.5 at some point in the next couple of days...the question will be at what juice...if you have to pay -110 or more for 7.5 you are better off taking 7 at -105...GL my friend (except with this next game)...

Wrong.

The hook on the 7 in college is worth approx 12c.

Erroneous advice like that can mislead someone just starting out.

[pags11]

hey dick dock...before you go around lecturing me why don't you head on over to the football and basketball forums son...I'm well aware the price differences between the two...it is my opinion that the hook will most likely not come into play in this game, it's just a gut feel I have...I know how to evaluate games and lines and was giving John my unsolicited advice...why don't you just quiet down and learn your way around here first...sound good?...alright then...

[docdekay]

Gut feel
LMFAO

Your opinion (nor mine) means shit. Math rules in this game.

If you cant figure that out, you're not going to win.

I dont have the time to troll around forums arguing with people about objective facts.
I was simply trying to help with FACTS - not opinions.

Good Luck.

[magnavox]

hey dick dock...before you go around lecturing me why don't you head on over to the football and basketball forums son...I'm well aware the price differences between the two...it is my opinion that the hook will most likely not come into play in this game, it's just a gut feel I have...I know how to evaluate games and lines and was giving John my unsolicited advice...why don't you just quiet down and learn your way around here first...sound good?...alright then...

LOL! You know very little about gaming industry and now we learned you are also a 'square capper'. Half a point here is worth 12c and this has nothing to do with your 'gut feeling'. This is the same as advising someone to play a game at pick'em when there's an extra point available somewhere else with similar juice. All because 'you feel' the game will be a blowout. Too funny.

EDIT: didn't see doc already replied.

[Halifax]

hey dick dock...before you go around lecturing me why don't you head on over to the football and basketball forums son...I'm well aware the price differences between the two...it is my opinion that the hook will most likely not come into play in this game, it's just a gut feel I have...I know how to evaluate games and lines and was giving John my unsolicited advice...why don't you just quiet down and learn your way around here first...sound good?...alright then...

Pags, math does indeed rule the day ... keep giving advice based on "gut feel", as opposed to sound mathematical evidence, and you'll never get that coveted moderator job that you're seeking.

[magnavox]

and you'll never get that coveted moderator job that you're seeking.

LOL

[docdekay]

Oh, and pags .... last thing.

I usually hate these dickwaving contests, but since you inititated it by dispensing horribly erroneous advice, how about you simply book my bets next year on all cfb games lined at 7. We'll each put up whatever amount you feel comfortable with and send it to John a the begninning of the year. You will let me buy on/off the 7 for 4c (you told john its worth less than 5c). I'll even let you choose what games you want based on gut feel.

Hell, if you have any other values you're sure of in other sports maybe we can review those and get cracking early. Just start a laundry list and I can review them. Seems like you can make some easy money off a schmuck like me.

Good Luck.

[tacomax]

Now that seems like a reasonable challenge.

[pags11]

dick doc,

I am by no means a bookmaker...and if I was, like I would really let you buy off of 7 for 4 cents...you can be a square all that you want, but good handicappers go a lot by feel...go ahead and pay -115 to -120 for your +7.5 all of the time...the good ones know when do do this and when not to (which was my point before)...I have shown people around here that I know what I'm talking about...

if you want to have a handicapping challenge in college football for the next season, I will be glad to do so for some cash...let's have at it...I can assure you that you that the odds will be stacked against you...just check out the football forum buddy...

it takes a lot of nerve to come into this forum and just start bashing me for something that really is subjective...I do know this, the best handicappers try to get all of their bets at as close to even money as possible...I'd much rather pay -103 to -105 for most all of my bets (most of the time, because yes there are exceptions, like when I paid -115 for Miami +7 at Va. Tech this year in college football)..., instead of paying -110 and -115...because in the long run, you have to hit a much higher percentage on the season to break even paying that extra juice...

maganvox,

shut your trap you little girl, you got all quiet when I issued you a challenge...so I don't want to hear anything from your meek butt...you wait for someone to rip me and you start to chime in?...go back to your hole in the ground and remain qiuet...you are my little bitch...

Halifax,

math is a huge part of handicapping no doubt, but at the end of the day handicapping is all about feel...like with the Iowa St./ TCU game on Saturday, I just knew getting 3.5 or more was key, 3 just did not seem as inticing (and sure enough Iowa St. loss by 3 and I cashed)...I can't tell you why I felt this way, it's just the feel I have for the flow of the games...I know this may be hard for many to understand, but the good handicappers around here will know what I'm talking about...

and as far as the moderator thing goes, I think the guys here are fit for the job...I have no intentions on becoming one, as most of my time is spent handicapping games and chasing women...GL...

[docdekay]

This will be my last post to you since you've declined the challenge.

These are all quotes by you:

"...if you have to pay -110 or more for 7.5 you are better off taking 7 at -105..."

Translation: The hook is not worth 5c

Then came

"it is my opinion that the hook will most likely not come into play in this game, it's just a gut feel I have..."

And finally:

"I am by no means a bookmaker...and if I was, like I would really let you buy off of 7 for 4 cents..."

Stop backpeddling. First you told John 7.5 -110 is worse than 7-105 and now you are saying its not. Then you proceeded to try and spin this into handicapping contest LOL. You made a statement, I issued a challenge based on said statement and even stipulated you could TELL ME EXACTLY WHAT GAMES I could go head to head with you on. That would be easier than taking candy from a child. You should be jumping at the opportunity.

Enjoy chasing women and standing on 16 while the dealers up card is an 8 because you "feel" its right. I'll continue to make my bets guided by immutable laws of math.

I never claimed to be a handicapper. What does that have to do with anything? Stick to the topic.

Good Luck.

[magnavox]

as most of my time is spent handicapping games and chasing women...GL...

Do you catch some, by any chance? No, you just 'chase' like a 16 year old.

[pags11]

dick dock,

since we are using quotes, I did not tell John +7.5 (-110) was "worse" than +7...I told him that he should "consider" taking +7 (-105), with the implication being I didn't think the hook would come into play (which I still do not think it will) and he was better off getting the reduced juice...

I love your one-sided challenge, I'm sure people see me as such a coward for not accepting it...be a man and you can be the next guy to have to change his avatar and be a little lighter in the pocket book...what true handicapper wouldn't want things even? maybe you have no clue what you are doing, and judging from your posts, you may not...if you want to see my track record, you are welcome to ask anyone here about my handicapping skills and go to the football and basketball forums to get proof for yourself...

before you open your mouth next time, I'd think a little bit first...you got yourself off to a great start here in the forum...congrats

magnavox,

it's hard to even respond to someone that has no backbone...you lost this whole forum's respect when you didn't even respond to my challenge...I must say, you've contributed a ton to this forum...I can't wait to read your next post...I heard you will be discussing fingerpainting with jello pudding...exciting!

[tacomax]

if you have to pay -110 or more for 7.5 you are better off taking 7 at -105...GL my friend (except with this next game)...

Thanks for the advice, pags. You seem to really know your stuff.

[pags11]

tacomax,

as usual you take things out of context and copy and paste as you please...anyone that goes back and reads this thread will see that with the particular game in question I felt that 7 was still a good number thus I recommended playing the game at -105 vs. paying the full 110 (despite getting the extra half point)...

oh yeah, I was right about the game...the 7 covered just as the 7.5 did...again you don't bet so you don't understand trusting your gut...your gut is filled with bad European food as you mastrubate to fat women with bad teeth...