Cheating at Absolute Poker

robzilla · 10-29-2007, 09:17 AM

What do you guys think about the cheating going on at Absolute Poker by the owners? I heard Mark Seif was involved.

If you havent heard about it, there is several video links and acticles about what happend at Absolute.

Would only an idiot play there now? They must have had a huge decline in players.

jon13009 · 10-29-2007, 12:04 PM

This is the discussion thread on AP:

The Absolute Poker Cheating Conspiracy has just blown up even more....

More info:

http://www.absolutedetectives.com/tw...w/Main/WebHome

Bill Dozer · 10-29-2007, 12:59 PM

I haven't gotten deep into it but seems the consensus is players were robbed. The only thing that is surprising is it took this long for a real poker scandal. Poker always felt like betting on a game that was ref'd by the house.

bigboydan · 10-29-2007, 02:42 PM

I posted this originally in the poker section a while ago, but checkout how this actually play out... No wonder their is such a bitchfest surrounding this one.

Part 1:

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Part 4:

CrazyL · 10-29-2007, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by robzilla

What do you guys think about the cheating going on at Absolute Poker by the owners?

Well I don't know whether or not anything has been substantiated in terms of ownership being involved. Last term I heard was a rogue software consultant.

I'm not outraged like the thousands of posters across the internet about this incident. Things like this go on, maybe not this elaborately before, but dirty players will attack the integrity of the games. If people run teams in casinos where are they are being recorded every second, what's to stop hackers from freely experimenting with ways to dupe you online?

20Four7 · 10-29-2007, 02:56 PM

When the IP of the "player" is from the Kawanwake Reserve which also hosts Absolute Poker servers it raises a lot of questions. I'm hopeful the KGC will revoke their license and teach these bastards a lesson.

I play a lot of on line poker thankfully not at AP. This isn't the first poker scandal just one that links management to the scandal. The zeejustins of the world are just the tip of the iceburg.

Thremp · 10-29-2007, 03:04 PM

There is a ton of good information on this at 2p2.

Short Story: Don't play high stakes donkaments or ring games at Absolute. They fk u.

BigBollocks · 10-29-2007, 03:17 PM

I don't think this is salvageable for Absolute. There is such widespread proof of longterm cheating that it is impossible for Absolute to make whole everyone who has been cheated, much less repair their reputation. The worst part of it all is that this rampant cheating tarnishes the entire online poker world, not just AP. What a mess!

ronniejamedio · 10-29-2007, 04:37 PM

so how are you able to see everyones cards? that is crazy

20Four7 · 10-29-2007, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ronniejamedio

so how are you able to see everyones cards? that is crazy

AP apparently has a super user account which is used for testing software etc. This super user account can see everyones hole cards. I don't know what that account could possibly be used for except cheating. A "super user" account should never exist.

ronniejamedio · 10-29-2007, 04:49 PM

wow man. the guy in the first video played everyhand. was that a real money ring game?

Al Masters · 10-29-2007, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ronniejamedio

wow man. the guy in the first video played everyhand. was that a real money ring game?

No it was a tournament.

Guy in the 1st vid is the same guy as vids 2-3-4.

I just got back from the N.A.P.C , took a bad beat literally from hell, in 6 years of online play i can only recall one such sick beat, anyways back to the topic.

From what i understand, the guy who finished 2nd requested a hand history of the final table, cause of the eratic play of player"potripper". he read it made nothing of it, then mentioned his story on many forums, and was asked by others to see it, one person being from bluffmag took it to a specialist to read. his conclusion was that it was not a hand history, but rather an excel file containing every hand in the tourney with all players e-mail addreses and I.P addreses

Next he found that during the entire tourney, someone only reffered to as player #363 was watching the whole tournament from the rail , funny thing he only watched the tables that "POTRIPPER" played at he watched every hand in the whole tourney EXCEPT THE 1ST TWO HANDS OF THE TOURNAMENT, which of course he folded, why were these 2 hands folded? cause he was not yet getting information.

The information only started coming in from the 3rd hand on, it was player#363 feeding "potripper" the hole cards of other players thus (supposedly)being able to play the perfect game.

However player potripper turns out to be a donk with no card sense and decides to play all hands based on others hands not thinking that calling bets with shit like 10 high when shown would create suspicion.

So as the story unfolds they see that player #363 is some sort of ceo at AP and that the I.P is located on the kanawakke reservation.Duh end for dem

Apparently an investigation along with and audit will be taking place shortly.

There commercials are still running.

operaman · 10-30-2007, 07:26 AM

I notice many of the posts here at sbr have been inaccurate about the absolute scandal. If you want a clear account of what is happening go to absolutedetectives.com for a very nice layout of the scoop.

I hope absolute goes down and out for good with much jail time for the perps.

On a side note:

Many people complain that the site was hard/impossible to beat.
That is true, but not necessarily because they were cheats.

The site used props extensively and this made the games real nut crushers to be in. They paid me as a prop ~$115 an hour and I stopped playing there because the games were too hard. I am a good player and lost money like a sieve(excluding pay) when playing a relatively low stakes game of 5/10. (At other sites I beat 25/50.) When a site offers .25 a hand and gives some bonuses for the props to boot you find a caliber of player that you would never usualy find at a particular level.

Imagine a 5/10 game that has one regular bonus hunter Joe and 3 props that do this for a living. If you do the math the bonus hunter has virtually no chance unless he is unusually good and one of the props is probably loosing money as well (
Even when factoring the large pay the site was issuing).

On the other hand maybe the reason the games were so hard was that they had idiots calling with 10 highs a lot.