[SBR_John]

I have never seen a stranger PR effort by those on the take than this Rich Coast story.

All the guys who took Rich Coast's (players) money are part of it.
AK
Raiders
Roberto
RPM

Peep always said "follow the money". This is a particulary sad and disgusting story. Not that they promoted a weak book although that is bad enough.

The sad part is they went into full spin after we broke the news that RCS was in trouble. First they tried to cover it up. Next they tried to blame others.

I know a lot of folks have said why waste your time on this, anyone with a brain knows the scaore.

OK I won't waste much more but I want everyone to know this apparently is the new way of things. 1) Deny 2)Cover-up and 3) Blame others.

Players should be looking out for this 3 card Monty.

[RPM]

you are a liar. i hope anyone who reads this, takes the time to read all the other posts regarding this situation.

[raiders72001]

3 people listed above by John should be thanked for helping to protect players funds. I had nothing to do with this but the other three above did help.

Looks to me as though SBR wanted the players to get shafted so that he could say I told you so.

[sharp_E]

Originally Posted by RPM

you are a liar.

RPM, I don't think anyone believes one word that comes out of your mouth !

[RPM]

sharpe

first of all, at least i dont need a ghost name to hide behind. but since you do, i'll appease you.

please post an example of a lie i told to make money.

and also, please answer why it is that i have busted sbr in several lies regarding the rcs situation, yet you choose not to even ask why they lied?

[raiders72001]

You guys can make up all the hypothetical situations that you want concerning RCS. The reality is that all players are in at BetCris with no rollover requirements contrary to what SBR has been saying.

[raiders72001]

John- You failed to mention that players from my site won free money in contests at RCS and some have already cashed out. The reality is that guys made money and no one got stiffed.

[sharp_E]

Originally Posted by RPM

sharpe

first of all, at least i dont need a ghost name to hide behind.

Thats right you need fourty

[SBR_John]

Dont waste your time on rpm. His career in this industry is now limited to tow or lower the same as AK and raiders. he sold his soul with this 3 card Monty and joined an elite group that have proven their con man abilities. He fits in well too.

[RPM]

OH PLEASE. give me a break john. the only credibility damaged by this is yours.

[SBR_John]

We will see rpm. We will see where you are with tow in 6 months/1year and where I am and SBR is. Let's see what your credibility is.

One thing is for sure, you guys have another rookie in trouble and we are going to expose you...again. Thats a promise. We will see how many of bankrupt books it takes to do you in. You might of spun out of this but you have not even made it to the superbowl!

[TOW]

ehehehehehe John...not even Betpanam (recommended list, B+) made it to superbowl...good pump and dump though I must admit. Sorry I haven't learned that technique from you

[SBR_John]

Its not that you chose a bad book roberto. We have been around 6 years so we will get caught with a bad rating thats part of the business. We were the first to downgrade PanAm and you should have been the first to downgrade RCS. You didnt even take their banner down.

[RPM]

Originally Posted by SBR_John

We will see rpm. We will see where you are with tow in 6 months/1year and where I am and SBR is. Let's see what your credibility is.

One thing is for sure, you guys have another rookie in trouble and we are going to expose you...again. Thats a promise. We will see how many of bankrupt books it takes to do you in. You might of spun out of this but you have not even made it to the superbowl!

another rookie in trouble? imagine that. i guess i was foolish for hoping you would end your agenda against these books when this put egg on your face.

why arent you rushing to the wire to report this?

[TOW]

Dang ! let me help you out here. Betpanam started slow paying (with the first scattered no pays) at the end of December 2003.

This is from your wire:

1/22/2004 5:54:00 AM BetPanAm (SBR rating C-) dogged by complaints of Neteller payout requests given only the option for ** - BetPanAm admits a change of CEO and lack of planning caused short term slow pays - SBR initially downgraded PanAm on Jan 2nd, 2004 and extended that downgrade today to an SBR rating of C-

So...3 weeks later you still had them at C- ... in a no pay fashion.

Now tell me...have you tried to broker a sale ? Not that I'm aware of. The only one desperately trying was their CEO, who repeatedly contacted books in costa rica trying to broker a deal.

This is not about business John, its about proactiveness vs. mere reporting (without going into the details of the accuracy).

3 weeks of no pays....with another 3 weeks of slow pays before vs. 3 days of suspension of banking operations (RCS) due to an ongoing transition.

6 weeks of slow/no pays vs. not one single case in 9 months John.

You are right. We can all be fooled by a bookmaker. But when we know the entire story is PRIMARILY up to us to secure players balances FIRST, then play our "games".

This is the HUGE difference in our sites' phylosophy.

Jay is right, if all books would manage their business on a corporate model we would not have to cover all angles as we do today. The vast majority industry is not mature for a corporate approach yet. This is why we shall priviledge proactiveness vs. mere (more or less accurate) reporting.

Sometimes letting the chips fall where they have to is the worst thing we can do. Sometimes WE have to make sure the chips fall in the right place.

[SBR_John]

Mr. Credibilty, when we find out about another rookie in trouble you will find it on the SBR home page. On the next cover-up job you guys better keep a tighter lid on it.

[RPM]

you claim there is a rookie book in trouble. so report it. you will only confirm to the faithful you still have what you are up to....

[pjesnik24]

Originally Posted by SBR_John

We will see rpm. We will see where you are with tow in 6 months/1year and where I am and SBR is. Let's see what your credibility is.

One thing is for sure, you guys have another rookie in trouble and we are going to expose you...again. Thats a promise. We will see how many of bankrupt books it takes to do you in. You might of spun out of this but you have not even made it to the superbowl!

I really think that you guys should work together and not against eachother. You really do not have to be a rocket scientist to see that SBR is competing with TOW from this post.

Anyway John, if oyu have some info on some rookie being in trouble then I really think that you should share it with TOW so that they can check it out as well...

[pjesnik24]

Really! ;-)

[SBR_John]

One thing is for sure, when you guys have another rookie in trouble and we are going to expose you

I apologize, I meant to type the word "when" in there so it should have read "One thing is for sure, when you guys have another rookie in trouble and we are going to expose you".

I dont know of any in trouble. If and when I do, all you have to do is read the home page.

[AK]

His career in this industry is now limited to tow or lower the same as AK and raiders.

Take that back John

[SBR_John]

Ak you were making a come back but you are as much a part of this deception scam as anyone. I'm serious, you and raiders and rpm are better off with roberto and major. When and if you guys get tired of tricks, cons and games and truly want to shoot straight then come on back.

[raiders72001]

Tricks and games LOL. When Bill Dozer was 22 years old you posted on SBR that he had 15 years of gambling experience and that is 100% true.

[SBR_John]

making a mistake is different than scamming people at PlayTheScore and other such deeds. But you probably dont see much difference.

[Patrick McIrish]

Still don't see what the big win is for the players. No heroes here. This is like someone setting an apartment building on fire and then playing the hero because he carries the bodies out....