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    Default Loosing in different ways: Discussion on Bad Beat vs. Backdoor cover vs. moose

    A lot of people think these types of losses are the same exact thing and practically speaking they usually are since you lose your money. But you hear these terms used interchangably as if they are the same thing and in reality they are not. Let me give you some examples that should highlight the difference:

    Bad Beat: LSU/Miami Under 41

    If you some how magically had the newspaper that told your the future but half was blacked out but you saw that Miami puts up a total of 3 points in a game you might head out to the bank to request a big loan....one of the top defenses in the league facing a backup QB you figure this is a sure bet considering LSU struggled on offense in the SEC and that Miami did not allow more than 20 pts all year in a regular season game....Well everything goes as planned except for the fact that LSU put up 40 pts....to top it off, when it was 37-3 LSU fumbled Miami had 3 chances to pick it up and stall their drive but couldn't. To top it off, the points that knock the game over come via a 50 yd field goal which turn out to be the final points of the game. This is what I consider a really bad beat but with about 7 minutes left to go in the game you can't consider this anything other than a bad beat.

    Moose Job: Clemson -9.5, Nevada -1.5, or South Carolina -3.5.

    Clemson scores with less than two minutes left to make the game 19-10 with an Xtra point pending....Xtra point gets blocked from a kicker who was perfect all year. Clemson wins the game 19-10 thus (minimully) screwing Clemson backers of -9 and (majorly) screwing Clemson -9.5 backers.

    Nevada blows a 10 pt lead in the final few minutes of the game...goes to overtime where they score to go up 7....CFU then answers with a score of their own but the CFU kicker misses an extra point giving Nevada a 1 pt win.

    South Carolina up 21-0 and 28-7 against a Missouri team that has struggled against good competition. You figure with Steve Spurrier at the helm this should be an easy one...Missouri ends up winning outright.

    Backdoor cover: Rutgers +10

    Rutgers scores a TD in the final few minutes to pull within 5 to ensure the cover....these type of backdoor covers are more tolerable to deal with in football with spreads that are less than 14 pts b/c of the possibility of onside kicks being recovered since you assume a competitive game b/c the other team does not want to be in a position to have to field an onsider kick and thier first teamers are still in the ball game.....speards of more than 14 that result in backdoor covers are tougher to swallow....

    Backdoor covers seem especially more prominent in NCAAB since so many meaningless baskets and such go in the final few minutes....NCAAB can be very difficult to stomach much more so than NCAAF in my opinion.

    There are frontdoor covers but for whatever reason they seem to occur far less frequently unless you like to lay the points.

    If you bet everyday you know exactly what I am talking about. Thus fellow degenerates be prepared to experience these type of losses over the course of a season, month, week, and for the truly damned in one day. Just make sure never to chase and do not let emotion get in the way.


    Don't get blown away by such results and live to fight another day :0000036:


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    Last edited by BuddyBear; 12-30-05 at 11:33 PM.

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    Fantastic read! yea both the Nevada and Clemson were suicide inducing.

    Rutgers? well ASU folks at least had a taste of a win and after the first quarter Rutgers lead of 17-7 plus the +9, I dont feel sorry for them.

    The South Carolina game looked rigged.
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    Out of the games you mentioned, I think the Nevada game had to be the worst of them.

    Great post by the way Buddy Bear.

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    awesome buddy...I agree with all three definitions...I'm curious to hear what category you think having NW +5 and having UCLA return two onside kicks to the house classifies as?...complete ass raping maybe?...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SBR_John

    The South Carolina game looked rigged.
    john, i was talking to one of my locals today about this game. and, he told me only 2 people bet missouri with him today. i'm curious to find out just how much he ended up winning on this one tomorrow morning when i talk to him.

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    Yeah, that South Carolina was a Moose job alright.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Illusion
    Yeah, that South Carolina was a Moose job alright.

    ILL, i'll find out from watches in the morning how much he ended up winning on this one.

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    That SC meltdown was pure heartbreak. I'm still shaking my head. lol

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    no kidding slacker...

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    the books were cheering hard for missouri. i guess i was too since i was on the tigers' moneyline.

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    South Carolina's loss shouldn't be considered in any of the three categories, in my opinion. Missouri was clearly the better team, they just waited until the second quarter to show up, much like UCLA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuddyBear

    Moose Job: Clemson -9.5, Nevada -1.5, or South Carolina -3.5.

    Clemson scores with less than two minutes left to make the game 19-10 with an Xtra point pending....Xtra point gets blocked from a kicker who was perfect all year. Clemson wins the game 19-10 thus (minimully) screwing Clemson backers of -9 and (majorly) screwing Clemson -9.5 backers.

    Nevada blows a 10 pt lead in the final few minutes of the game...goes to overtime where they score to go up 7....CFU then answers with a score of their own but the CFU kicker misses an extra point giving Nevada a 1 pt win.

    South Carolina up 21-0 and 28-7 against a Missouri team that has struggled against good competition. You figure with Steve Spurrier at the helm this should be an easy one...Missouri ends up winning outright.
    I had all three
    Northwestern up 22-0 didnt cover +4
    Minnesota up 14-0 didnt cover

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    Quote Originally Posted by pags11
    awesome buddy...I agree with all three definitions...I'm curious to hear what category you think having NW +5 and having UCLA return two onside kicks to the house classifies as?...complete ass raping maybe?...

    Hard to say what NW was...that game must have been a nightmare for NW backers on a number of levels. I guess up 22-0 is bad but remember it was the first quarter and UCLA can score...so i guess more less a bad beat....but there are soem major moose jobs in that game including if you had:

    Under 74.5
    Under 36 2nd half


    Probably won't see 2 onside kickoff returns in the same game in ourl liftetimes...think about how often you see two onside kicks in one game and how often you see just one returned and now the odds of the same person doing it in the same game.

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    buddy,

    yeah, I've seen two onside kicks returned for TD's in my life (one was last year by Tennesee against So. Carolina), and the other was like two years ago in a Dallas/ Philly game...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pags11
    buddy,

    yeah, I've seen two onside kicks returned for TD's in my life (one was last year by Tennesee against So. Carolina), and the other was like two years ago in a Dallas/ Philly game...
    By the same player?

    Thats got to be a one in a life time thing. The same player returning onside kicks for TDs.

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    yes onlooker, it was the same guy...it was truly unbelievable...

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