[tink]

I was just wondering if there were any pros in here. By that I mean handicapping is all you do. If there are any, I was wondering how many hours you avg capping a day? Your fav books? Limits and amount of books you use to stay "under the radar", is capping all you do or do ya mix it up with casino games?, and do you thank your God everyday your good at this and can make a living at it. Thanks guys. Great site.

[BuddyBear]

I don't think anyone on here is a professional gambler per se but I think we have a lot of advanced gamblers who could share their insights.

Personally my favorite books are:

Pinnacle, Sportsinteraction, and Betjamica....i like a lot others but those three are my favorites.

[SBR_John]

tink I'm not a pro but I did stay at a Holiday Inn . Seriously, "Pros" are not going to waste their time on casino games that have negative odds. Sports with the flip of a coin also has a negative expectation but that can be mitigated with skillful handicapping.

[onlooker]

I will give you a link to the top ranked SBR recommended books that are considered best for professionals.

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/Reco...t/default.aspx

All the books with a P , are recommended for professional type bettors.

[operaman]

tink I'm not a pro but I did stay at a Holiday Inn . Seriously, "Pros" are not going to waste their time on casino games that have negative odds. Sports with the flip of a coin also has a negative expectation but that can be mitigated with skillful handicapping.

Online casinos are beatable just like the sport books and the poker sites.

[imgv94]

It's all I do.. I haven't worked since Oct 2005..

Handicap about an hour a day.

Books I use now= CRIS,THE GREEK,BET JM,MATCHBOOK

And yes I'm thankful that I pick more winnners than losers.

[chano]

I was just wondering if there were any pros in here. By that I mean handicapping is all you do. If there are any, I was wondering how many hours you avg capping a day? Your fav books? Limits and amount of books you use to stay "under the radar", is capping all you do or do ya mix it up with casino games?, and do you thank your God everyday your good at this and can make a living at it. Thanks guys. Great site.

There are not any pros here. All you will find here a a bunch of bonus whoresand scalpers, going from book to book based on whatever offer is best at the time.

[jjgold]

No pros are posting on gambling forums period.

98% lose long term, play for fun only

[Dead Money]

There are not any pros here. All you will find here a a bunch of bonus whoresand scalpers, going from book to book based on whatever offer is best at the time.

Sharp Post!!

[BuddyBear]

No pros are posting on gambling forums period.

98% lose long term, play for fun only

This pretty much sums it up.....hard to imagine the lifestyle of a pro gambler could include time to post on a gaming forum. Most professional gamblers work upwards of 70-80s hours a week...During football season, pro gamblers are lucky if they are even able to watch the games they bet since most are asleep after a hard work week

[doc]

This pretty much sums it up.....hard to imagine the lifestyle of a pro gambler could include time to post on a gaming forum. Most professional gamblers work upwards of 70-80s hours a week...During football season, pro gamblers are lucky if they are even able to watch the games they bet since most are asleep after a hard work week

Some of this is true and some of it is not. You won't find many guys going into detail and I can tell you that I know for a fact that you have a pro in your midst with IMGV as he and I go way back...

I know of several pro's including myself and IMGV who post on the forums but you will not find many who will reveal what they do and how they do it.

Recently action has gone dead for most pro's. Without Neteller and Pinny some books still accomodate pro action but not many and a lot are asking for bettors to change betting patterns (cannot go into detail) which destroys the players edge.

And yes casinos used to be a HUGE part of the pro's game but those too have gone away thanks to the US Gov't.

Plenty of pro's post tho... And now more than ever cos they are so damned bored without being able to hunt for middles and arb's...

[BuddyBear]

Some of this is true and some of it is not. You won't find many guys going into detail and I can tell you that I know for a fact that you have a pro in your midst with IMGV as he and I go way back...

I know of several pro's including myself and IMGV who post on the forums but you will not find many who will reveal what they do and how they do it.

Recently action has gone dead for most pro's. Without Neteller and Pinny some books still accomodate pro action but not many and a lot are asking for bettors to change betting patterns (cannot go into detail) which destroys the players edge.

And yes casinos used to be a HUGE part of the pro's game but those too have gone away thanks to the US Gov't.

Plenty of pro's post tho... And now more than ever cos they are so damned bored without being able to hunt for middles and arb's...

It's amazing how many "pros" there are in the online gaming forum world.

Casinos are basically for suckers and senior citizens bro.....I've never in my life heard of anyone making a living playing roulette or craps or carribean stud or anything like that. Almost every single game in the casino is in the House's advantage. It's basically sports betting, poker, or betting on horses. If you tell a casino you can beat their games and have a big fat wad of cash to waste, they will bring a limo to your place to pick you up....

[doc]

It's amazing how many "pros" there are in the online gaming forum world.

Casinos are basically for suckers and senior citizens bro.....I've never in my life heard of anyone making a living playing roulette or craps or carribean stud or anything like that. Almost every single game in the casino is in the House's advantage. It's basically sports betting, poker, or betting on horses. If you tell a casino you can beat their games and have a big fat wad of cash to waste, they will bring a limo to your place to pick you up....

Casinos have long been beatable via the bonuses they offer. Yes when playing games straight up you come out a loser everytime over the long run and when system playing you come out a loser everytime over the long run.... But for professionals huge bankrolls were built over the years abusing casino bonuses.

If you think I am wrong then you are flat out ignorant... And betting on horses is one of the worst house advantages of all... I hope you were not saying that a pro would bet the horses cos anyone who does that less than recreationally is ignorant as well.

I look forward to your next moronic post.

[BuddyBear]

umm...horse racing is beatable. I am sure a lot of guys on here can verify that. I didn't say it was desirable or easy but it is beatable if you know what you are doing.

So let me get this straight....games at the casino are not beatable either via straight betting or system betting, but because casinos offer these huge bonuses people can beat them. Get the **** out of here with your retardad and illogical reasoning. Casino's are not in the business of losing money. My mother's uncle goes to the casino five times a week and bets about $20,000 to $30,000 a hand on blackjack. The guy is the biggest loser in the world. Casinos compete for his business. They have chauffers to pick him up, they offer him free food, free concert tickets, sports tickets, gift certificates...you name it they'll give it to him. Casinos aren't stupid...even if you win, they'll kick you out or stop taking your action.

I am sure you are professional gambler....i almost believe you. Go back to your forum with your professional friends.

[Wassymac]

I don't know a thing about horse betting as I've never done it but Doc speaks the truth about those online casinos being beatable. Obviously you won't win SU but when you throw in great money management with no risk/low risk bonus structures its definitely beatable.

[BuddyBear]

Don't kid yourselves....online casinos are not beatable. The fact is brick and mortar casinos are not beatable and you can watch in person all the money you will lose. Now, consider for a moment placing a bet at a casino online where the industry is not regulated, somewhere in the Carribeans, etc....good luck. All this talk about bonus whoring and scalping should not be confused with real professional gambling.

Professional gamblers work close to 80 hours a week. They handicapp these games, have meetings, have contacts, shop for lines, etc...they don't have time to get into dick measuring contests. Doc is not a professional gambler...it sounds more and more like he is simply a bonus horse masquerading as a professional gambler. Anyway, Doc, if you are pro gambler...what exactly is your motivation for posting on these forums? Most pro gamblers are working right now...you must have the morning off. Stop insulting our intelligence with talk of beating online casinos and bonus whoring as a way to make a living. There are a lot of sharp guys on here but they don't need some has been poster to make up these fairy tales....

Wassymac...I don't know much about horses, never bet them and probably never will. My understanding is that horse racing is very very difficult to beat b/c of the extreme house edge. However, horse racing betting is a game of skill and with proper knowledge and experience an individual can develop an edge and win at it. This is different from say roulette....b/c in that there is no beating it. Play 10 spins you may win, play 100 you may be up, play a 1000 probably be down...spin the ball 10,000 you will be down for certain. It's just not beatable no matter how good you think you are or whatever "system" you have in place there is no beating it unless you assume the ball is weighted or something.

The best thing to do with online casinos is to disable them as soon as you open up an account....

[Sam Odom]

I'm a PRO

I've lost enought $$ in my lifetime to claim the moniker

[Wassymac]

I don't want to get sucked too far into this but all I wanted to add was that with the right bonus structure online casino's were beatable. Its just a matter of deciding (or atleast prior to the US screwing it all up) whether that was one route you wanted to go to supplement your income.

Of course I see the difference between Roulette (I'd rather take one punch in the face than putting a couple hundrew on red) and Horse Betting but I don't know anything about horses so I won't speak on winning long term at it.

[dodif]

I've been a pro for 10 years and on forums everyday

some of things I am reading are so laughable I dont want to take the time to explain them.

One thing jjgold said which is straight up retarded "No pros are posting on gambling forums period"

Yeah **** peoples points of view, **** info, good point jj gold.

another person said they work so hard they can barely watch games. Why do i have nba ticket, nfl league pass, nhl, mlb and the college tickets. Oh thats right I sit here on the computer all day and night and watch at least 2-4 games a night. Compile all the info u want but if u are betting on a team u have never seen play before u r a tard. Every year every team is very very different. Watching them and studying them on the court and on line is key for me.

[Santo]

Horse racing edge is of course dependent on the medium you bet at. Fixed odds racing on betfair has a lower HA than many other sports.

[Santo]

another person said they work so hard they can barely watch games. Why do i have nba ticket, nfl league pass, nhl, mlb and the college tickets. Oh thats right I sit here on the computer all day and night and watch at least 2-4 games a night.

Yes and no. Some people are successful that way (fundamentals), some are successful through statistics (technical) and some are pro bettors rather than handicappers.

Many ways to skin a cat, so to speak.

Obviously the original assertion was fallacy.

[dodif]

Yes and no. Some people are successful that way (fundamentals), some are successful through statistics (technical) and some are pro bettors rather than handicappers.

Many ways to skin a cat, so to speak.

Obviously the original assertion was fallacy.

true I still do both fund and tech but got pissed when I noticed the team I was betting was way slower than the other team and it was obvious on the first play.

so now i research the technical, the funds but base most of my shit on watching the teams way to much.

[dodif]

http://www.myspace.com/sportsgamblerace
thats me

[BuddyBear]

Another guy who is a professional gambler....what a surprise

[dodif]

Another guy who is a professional gambler....what a surprise

check out the pics of my 5000 sq ft house, convertible and escalade

If you would like to meet me I throw a huge bash every year on the strip. Its at the mgm signature this year. message me if you would like to come.

[imgv94]

Buddybear the Casinos were beatable when they were around I did them myself..

Buddybear my rent,gas for my car,cell phone,entertainment,etc is paid because of my gambling winnings..

[xxx]

This is income on the side for me to pay my booze and the massage parlors and a couple of small bills here and there. By no means will i quit my day job. I don't have the balls yet to risk 10000 on any game. When i do, then i might quit my day job. I put about 30hrs per week for gambling. And yes, i do talk and pray to the Man for some help.

[BuddyBear]

From an article from TheRx last year....

There is a misconception that professional bettors have an easy lifestyle. Many feel these bettors simply pick winners, bet the games and then comfortably watch the games with friends. The true schedule paints a far different picture.

Football’s fiscal week begins late Sunday afternoon when the early lines are posted. Some of the best bettors are ready to fire as soon as lines open. They are looking not so much to actively handicap, but rather to simply take advantage of any bookmaker mistakes.

Monday can be equally hectic as lines start to pinball. The savvy bettor looks to get down early on games he expects to move.

Tuesday is typically the best day to finish off the prior week’s accounting, documenting results and analyzing one’s results from the prior fiscal week that ended Monday night.

Wednesday and Thursday are reserved for hard-core handicapping. This often involves coordinating with other sharp players, digging into injury reports and putting forth in-depth analysis of any mid-week games. Many serious bettors take Wednesday as their day off. Other bettors cannot afford the time off, knowing ancillary things like college football totals and first-half lines are going to be posted at certain sportsbooks.

The lines are starting to move again Friday, as the market becomes dynamic with totals and sides often moving on select football games. The serious bettor must be ready to move quickly to lock in certain games at the right price. This is also the time many football bettors seriously look at key weather reports. Additionally, Las Vegas bettors are often running around town putting in their weekly football contest selections just prior to deadlines.

Saturday is totally hectic, with serious bettors desperately trying to make football bets at good prices based on some new key information. They are also fading ‘square’ line moves, getting down on half-time bets and select proposition bets. It is not unusual for a true pro to work from 7am until 9pm watching line moves and actively betting games and halftimes.

Sunday is twice as busy as Saturday, since the process repeats itself. But the best professional bettors must be ready to not only wager on Sunday games, but have numbers ready on NEXT week’s games as well.

Many pros get little sleep Saturday night preparing for all of this. I know of one serious bettor who never sleeps Saturday night during the fall. On Sunday night, many pro bettors collapse into bed exhausted, often unaware of their financial results for the weekend.

Monday night football is typically the only time a pro bettor can sit back and actually watch and enjoy a game. However, with the advent of live in-game betting, many sharp bettors now spend three wired hours estimating adjusted lines after each play and getting down in select spots during the game.

[BuddyBear]

check out the pics of my 5000 sq ft house, convertible and escalade

If you would like to meet me I throw a huge bash every year on the strip. Its at the mgm signature this year. message me if you would like to come.

Yeah I did check it out...nice. Except for one thing. You seem to have given out a different age for your SBR profile and your MySpace profile. Small mistake...it's easy to mess up on your birthdate by 7 years I suppose.

On SBR...you are born on March 19th, 1968. On your MySpace profile your only 31 years old. Funny how that would be. Well your lying one way or another. So quick change it before your SBR peers catch this little error and question your credibility. Then again, you may retort that you don't want your identity revealed which would make little sense considering you gave out your phone number on here and then erased it. I suppose most professional gamblers have time to play on myspace, misrepresent your age, and look for little girls as well like you do.

Also, for a guy who has been part of the online gaming forum scene "10 years and on forums everyday" like you claim, you seem to have chosen one of the biggest scam books to play with in BetUs. With a little under 50 posts, a number of them discuss BetUs. Seems awfully strange that a "pro gambler" like yourself would select, unequivacally, one of the worst books to play with and put his money in such peril. I was under the impression that BetUs did not welcome "pro" action...sure seems like a foolish choice for a seasoned pro.

Moreover, based on what your telling us...little of your life resembles the article above. When one considers how much a 5000 sq foot home costs in Las Vegas and the cars and other amentities you undoubtedly possess one must wonder how one is able to achieve such a opulent lifestyle from sports betting since most books have limits or kick out pros. Surely you may claim you live where you live and own what you own but it's not because of sports betting....perhaps you own a sportsbook as that would make far more sense than what you are telling us.

Sorry man...but if anyone can't see your bluff then they have sucker written all over them. Good luck with being a pro gambler....you'll find plenty of them in the online gaming forum world.

[vanzack]

I get a kick out of these posts that assume "pros" have so much more to do than post on message boards.

I have been a "pro" for 5 years. I define that by having no job and making a profit every year, enough to say I make more than 99.5% of the US population (IRS statistic).

My amusement is from idiots who say pros would never post on a message board, as if there is so much else to do that we would never post. Life as a pro overall is pretty boring. Gambling overall is a pretty solitary lifestyle - my neighbors dont gamble, I cant go to a physical gambling club, my family doesnt gamble - so I go to message boards to be with people of similar interests.

Why is this so hard to understand?

[vanzack]

Professional gamblers work close to 80 hours a week. They handicapp these games, have meetings, have contacts, shop for lines, etc...they don't have time to get into dick measuring contests.

Obviously from someone who isnt a professional, knows no professionals - and from someone who has only his limited knowledge and experience to go on.

I "work" sometimes 10 hours a week. Some hours I work 50. But for you to assume that everyone who is a pro works 80 is absurd. Have meetings with who? Who are my contacts?

Please. Go watch some more tv. Absurd.

[degenerate#1]

For the pros and other sharps, what kind of win percentage do you have over the course of a season? What percentage of bankroll do you put on a play?

[chano]

Sharp Post!!

Thanks !! I try my best.