[Dave Matuck]

My question is this. Why bet online when you can bet with local(s) and not have to worry about getting paid when winning.

The risk of depositing to and withdrawing from off-shore books seems like a tremendous risk at this time - with the new laws and DOJ enforcement.

It doesn't look like it is going to get any better in the near future and probably will be even tougher to bet off-shore in the coming year.

I was looking forward playing off-shore this football and BB season but realize the biggest gamble would not be on the games played but if I received payment for winning - if I won that is.

What a shame. If people want to bet then let them bet. I never hurt anybody with my betting and its fun - win or lose.

[bigboydan]

I'm sure most of these guys on the forums don't know any locals. Not to mention the fact that offshore odds are usually a whole lot better than most locals use even despite the style lines.

Now as far as the deposit and withdraw factors go. Well, some of the more top rated books actually have there act together in regards to these types of things nowadays.

[indianachris]

I only bet online because it is easy for me and I play at top rated books. I would rather bet with a local bookie but I dunno of any in the area.

[Aces]

I know locals but I'll take my chances off shore. As far as getting paid once again I'll take my chances off shore.

Most Locals do not offer quarter lines.
Most Locals dont offer the exotic bets.
Off Shore if you dont have the money in your account you cant play it. With locals you can get in over your head quick.
Locals dont give me Tickets to the Super Bowl with a pocket full of cash Cris and SBR did.

Locals dont give me free plays every other day my online book does.
If I want a line on a game a 3:00 AM I can get it Online
Most Locals you can't.
Locals move lines based on volume so if your from Alabama and you want to play Alabama in most cases you dont get a good line with the OS Books you do.
I've played it both ways and if the day comes where my only option is a Local I'll move to Nevada.
I play crazy parlays from time to time the ones that will pay off 40-50 K Not many locals can handle a hit like that. Many players here that are considered average players with their Off Shore Books would be considered Whales with a local.

[Aces]

As far as getting paid Dave if you stick to the good books and listen to the posters in this forum you will not have problems.

99.99 % of players problems revolve around bonus money.
I dont accept any money that requires a roll over or a hold. Since I started doing this me and the books get along much better. I get paid weekly by my book Last year I got paid twice a week but new laws have limited me to 1 payout a week. My payouts never take more than two days to recieve in most cases I get paid the same day I request it. If you stay with SBRs top rated books you will not have a problem. l

[Thremp]

Locals are less likely to stiff you than top rated bookz? Eh?

[Rollins08]

Betting with locals is the best way to end up in big trouble. 95% of the people posting on this board can not control their gambling. Online you can wind up broke you can't gamble what you don't have.

[JBC77]

Originally Posted by Dave Matuck

My question is this. Why bet online when you can bet with local(s) and not have to worry about getting paid when winning.

The risk of depositing to and withdrawing from off-shore books seems like a tremendous risk at this time - with the new laws and DOJ enforcement.

It doesn't look like it is going to get any better in the near future and probably will be even tougher to bet off-shore in the coming year.

I was looking forward playing off-shore this football and BB season but realize the biggest gamble would not be on the games played but if I received payment for winning - if I won that is.

What a shame. If people want to bet then let them bet. I never hurt anybody with my betting and its fun - win or lose.

F!@# locals. It's easier to click my mouse 3 times. Takes less than a minute to place a wager. The less humans I have to deal with in the wagering process....the better. Never been stiffed online either son.

[BatemanPatrickl]

I know a guy who got in over his head with locals; let's say the kid was so desperate that he knocked on my family's home and asked my dad for money.

They beat the shit out of this kid until he started paying; he was betting with money he didn't have.

[louisvillekid]

most of or all of what ACES said is true. i joined this site to get a feel for what off-shore books were good, i've joined quite a few, but have yet to deposit, i've just been playing free contests at them. i've went through quite a few locals in my area over the years. one guy i played with years ago was horrible, he only took pro football sides and in college football or basketball you could only play teams from one of the big conferences, he mainly was a horse guy, he was always trying to get me to play horses, that was his money maker. i've got a great dude now, hes an old country boy, hes actually about a hour away from me, but he'll meet me half way. he knows i'm on the internet, and he takes my word on lines, he'll let me play football(pro&college) basketball(pro&coll) baseball,hockey,WNBA,CFL,AFL, everthing is 10cent except baseball is 20cent, i can only parlay up to 4 teams, and i can't play qurters but i can play halves and totals, hes even let me play some UFC fights a few times, hes the best one i've ever found, hes just cool as shit. sometimes when i call him and give a game i'm playing(usually its just for a buck), he'll say somrthing like "i hope you hit that one,i got 2 dimes on it".

[jjgold]

Locals is good if you like dealing in cash weekly

Locals cannot offer what places like Bookmaker offer period

Play online Boys

[LargeMouthBass]

It's more convenient to view the lines and click on the mouse to bet. Besides, betting on credit can get you in a lot of trouble.

[jjgold]

Most guys are not experienced enough to bet with locals

locals are only looking for compulsive gamblers

[BuddyBear]

too much of a hassle with a local and not nearly the same options and conveneince although I've considered it...plus betting online is much more discreet and much less likely to get caught by family and friends.

[jjgold]

Originally Posted by BuddyBear

too much of a hassle with a local and not nearly the same options and conveneince although I've considered it...plus betting online is much more discreet and much less likely to get caught by family and friends.

Buddy Bear I think betting with a local is more discreet, way too easy to get nabbed on a pc unless you live alone. Someone in your home can track every where you go on a pc with software and you would not know.

[pokernut9999]

All the options online can be a negative. Those things called props and exotics play into the house favor. When using credit cards for gambling you are betting on credit. And unless you pay your bill in full you are paying interest. There is nothing wrong with using locals. You have pro's and con's for both and they depend on the individual. But all the bashing on locals is insane. I have used them for thirty years and there are no hassles.

Wow I pick up phone make a call, get a line and make my bet. On Tuesdays we settle up. Do not see that much of a hassle.

[jjgold]

Pokernut you summed up this thread pretty good

Lets lock it now

[pokernut9999]

Originally Posted by jjgold

Pokernut you summed up this thread pretty good

Lets lock it now

throwing that word LOCK around again

[colt29]

Most locals have websites now. They have everything offshores do.

[pokernut9999]

Originally Posted by colt29

Most locals have websites now. They have everything offshores do.

Correct on that, one of the 2 I use does that and the old timer , well he is still a old timer.

[curious]

Originally Posted by pokernut9999

All the options online can be a negative. Those things called props and exotics play into the house favor. When using credit cards for gambling you are betting on credit. And unless you pay your bill in full you are paying interest. There is nothing wrong with using locals. You have pro's and con's for both and they depend on the individual. But all the bashing on locals is insane. I have used them for thirty years and there are no hassles.

Wow I pick up phone make a call, get a line and make my bet. On Tuesdays we settle up. Do not see that much of a hassle.

I wouldn't have the foggiest idea how to find a local. Now, what would really be sweet if a local worked out of a house. You can guess what kind of house I mean >wink wink. Or if a house went into the bookmaking business too. That would be nice.

[pokernut9999]

Originally Posted by curious

I wouldn't have the foggiest idea how to find a local. Now, what would really be sweet if a local worked out of a house. You can guess what kind of house I mean >wink wink. Or if a house went into the bookmaking business too. That would be nice.

I am sure those are around too. Locals are easy too find.

[curious]

Originally Posted by pokernut9999

I am sure those are around too. Locals are easy too find.

How do you find them? Go in the sports bar and yell out "Hey is anyone in here a bookie"? LOL

[greg66]

Originally Posted by curious

How do you find them? Go in the sports bar and yell out "Hey is anyone in here a bookie"? LOL

Took me a while. Still looking for another.

[Tchocky]

I don't know any locals and I'm not sure I would bet with one if I did. Wagering online offers so many more options and is so much easier to place a wager.

[jjgold]

You need to be a regular at a sports bar or racetrack bar to get a local or need a friend referral.

[ritehook]

Locals are easy to find ----- and locals are hard to find.

In most major East Coast cities, it shoudn't take you too long. Desk clerks at hotels, bartenders, cab drivers, even the guys at the local barber shop will often give you a lead. On the other hand, some locals deal only with fish, and set their lines at -120 on all games. Screw that.

Also, they will often shade their lines, once they get your betting pattern. If you're in NY and ask the line on the Giants, if it is really 4 and they know you're a fan, you'll be dealt 4.5 or 5. Or, if they know you bet against the Giants, it'll be 3.5 or 3. Screw those games.

I don't know about the midwest, but it's harder to find a bookie on the West Coast. They're there, or course, esp in major met areas, you just have to be more diligent in looking for them

I prefer offshore, just wish like hell it was legal, safe and hassle-free. And so do the major players in Vegas! They're ready to roll -- if and when . . .

[pokernut9999]

Originally Posted by ritehook

Locals are easy to find ----- and locals are hard to find.

In most major East Coast cities, it shoudn't take you too long. Desk clerks at hotels, bartenders, cab drivers, even the guys at the local barber shop will often give you a lead. On the other hand, some locals deal only with fish, and set their lines at -120 on all games. Screw that.

Also, they will often shade their lines, once they get your betting pattern. If you're in NY and ask the line on the Giants, if it is really 4 and they know you're a fan, you'll be dealt 4.5 or 5. Or, if they know you bet against the Giants, it'll be 3.5 or 3. Screw those games.

I don't know about the midwest, but it's harder to find a bookie on the West Coast. They're there, or course, esp in major met areas, you just have to be more diligent in looking for them

I prefer offshore, just wish like hell it was legal, safe and hassle-free. And so do the major players in Vegas! They're ready to roll -- if and when . . .

Never in 30 years had a local have a line -120

[greg66]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

I don't know any locals and I'm not sure I would bet with one if I did. Wagering online offers so many more options and is so much easier to place a wager.

Good locals have online setups with the same bets and options as offshore. Its not like the old days.

[LargeMouthBass]

Honestly, if you want to find a local, go play some poker at your local casino. I guarantee some of those people know bookies.

[ritehook]

Originally Posted by pokernut9999

Never in 30 years had a local have a line -120

A friend's son who was in HS about 15 year's ago told me, yes, a local book operating out of a barber shop was getting 12 to win 10 from the kids who wanted to get down on the NFL teams.

And it wouldn't surprise me, in remote areas today, and for hgh school football especially, there are small handbooks still dealing a regular -120 line, You get what the traffic will bear.

[pokernut9999]

Originally Posted by ritehook

A friend's son who was in HS about 15 year's ago told me, yes, a local book operating out of a barber shop was getting 12 to win 10 from the kids who wanted to get down on the NFL teams.

And it wouldn't surprise me, in remote areas today, and for hgh school football especially, there are small handbooks still dealing a regular -120 line, You get what the traffic will bear.

That may be so, but I have never seen one do it. I would not play a book that did that.

[louisvillekid]

Originally Posted by pokernut9999

Never in 30 years had a local have a line -120

out of all the guys i've went through over the years, eveything is 10cent, except baseball, most use 20cent.

[greg66]

I think it depends. I saw some guys doing it 25 years ago but they were usually lazy and posted lines so square they would make Bodog look sharp. They generally got crushed pretty quickly.

[domwolf]

I have never bet online and never will, why? Cause i just don't trust it. I shop online , i sell online , but i don't bet online.

I bet off-shore , been with them for 10 years , it's has all the local feel , but with the security of Vegas. I get Vegas lines , exotic bets, half's and quarter lines , all that Vegas has to offer , all in a simple phone call.

I need money , i request it and get it in 2 days fedex no problemas, i send money and get credit for shipment and bonus.

All in a simple phone call toll free 365 days. No pc to turn on, no fear of hackers, just me and my bookie.