[diamond]

My understanding is that both parties got paid. If I were BetED I would ban him for trying to pull a cheap shot at the book

Agree, even ban him from here for trying to take advantage of SBRs goodwill.

[Shark79]

True ... thanks to guys like this ... we all get hurt at some point.

[Lucas]

so IS beted good bookie or not? i saw 2 problems in last weeks and both were because players were cheaters it seems

someone is playing there?

[durito]

There seems to be a lot more disputes recently than normal about players taking shots at books. Is this actually the case or are they just showing up publicly more often than in the past?

[20Four7]

I think you are correct durito, more players are taking shots and I think more books are shooting back. Unfortunately it puts all players in a bad way now as it seems every dispute lately is a player taking a shot at the book.

[Shark79]

Funny thing about all of this ... the majority of the complaints come from "newbies" to SBR ... and a good 90% of them are taking shot at the books ...

[acw]

• He then called saying he had authorized only $250 a month and all deposits above that amount should be voided.

Is it possible to automatically block this?

By the way I loved reading the story. I do not look at this Aaron as a scammer, but as a real gambler. The kind of client every book wants, but one got to make very sure that there are no payment issues!

[bigboydan]

so IS beted good bookie or not? i saw 2 problems in last weeks and both were because players were cheaters it seems

someone is playing there?

I feel that BetEd has been improving from the way they once were Lucas. They have seem to have clarified their rules a bit better these past few months in order to cut down on shot takers taking advantage of them (hence probably why you see complaints IMO).

RM18 either was or still is playing with them currently, and he seems to like them. In fact he just reported a back in November 1,2007 he received a rather large amount from them.

The one thing you need to remember is that they are now using dual lines these days. So make sure you take that into consideration when deciding whether or not you want play there.

[indy62]

acw why would you want to block my post..i came across it and thought it was of interest..i have never stated an opinion either way who i thought was right

[Shark79]

acw why would you want to block my post..i came across it and thought it was of interest..i have never stated an opinion either way who i thought was right

I think his question was if a book can actually block a customer from depositing and not if they could block your post.

[acw]

acw why would you want to block my post..

Read Shark79's post.

i came across it and thought it was of interest..i have never stated an opinion either way who i thought was right

How could you be objective?

[eric dy]

Great Job - Sbr

[HedgeHog]

Aaron was wrong here as was SGC a month back. But don't mistake Beted for a top Book-they're not. They make you jump thru hoops to register and get paid. A C- Book at best.

Plus they look for any "legit" reason not to pay once a withdrawal is requested.

[Bill Dozer]

There seems to be a lot more disputes recently than normal about players taking shots at books. Is this actually the case or are they just showing up publicly more often than in the past?

It does seem that way. Our forum is getting bigger and more complaints are making it to the board instead of email-only. It's likely the board will see more. We are also trying to share more with the forum for discussion.

Another reason we will see more "shot taking" disputes is because there are less places to play. Sharp players need dupe accounts to get down their normal bet. Lesser books with poor risk mgt. departments are getting a second look from players who would have passed 2 years ago.

[acw]

It does seem that way. Our forum is getting bigger and more complaints are making it to the board instead of email-only. It's likely the board will see more. We are also trying to share more with the forum for discussion.

I think it shows the success of your forum. Many members are real gamblers. Other forums do not even have 1/10th of it.

Another reason we will see more "shot taking" disputes is because there are less places to play. Sharp players need dupe accounts to get down their normal bet. Lesser books with poor risk mgt. departments are getting a second look from players who would have passed 2 years ago.

In all honesty I do not think these books should gain any form of protection from your guys like Justin7.

[bigloser]

Hello readers,

While I realize most here will have seen right through Aaron’s confused and exaggerated post I thought I’d clarify things for everyone.

Aaron tried to get paid on his winning deposits and then get us to refund his losing deposits in a poorly crafted scam.

After hearing both sides of the story, Bill Dozer from Sportsbookreview.com agreed with how things were handled on our end and agreed betED.com should stop payment until we’d received our funds from Aaron which was the game plan from the beginning. For the record this issue was settled to everyone’s satisfaction five days ago.

The following explanation is long but for those of you scoring at home here are the actual facts……


• Aaron never spoke to me regarding what he had to do to request a payout. I’m sure he spoke to someone, but not me.

• By the time he sent us the documentation form (We had been requesting it for 21 days and he failed to comply) he had deposited and lost $250 and then deposited and won quite a bit with the next $125, for a total of $325 in deposits.

• Then he deposited $250 on two separate occasions bringing the total up to $825.

• He then called saying he had authorized only $250 a month and all deposits above that amount should be voided.

• Aaron had $2610 in pending payouts at the time and was clearly trying to get paid on his winning deposits and stiff us on his losing deposits.

• I asked him point blank…..”Do you want us to cancel all deposits over $250?” I told him to think very carefully about the answer. He said,,…“YES!!!!”.

• Then I told him, “Ok, we’ll cancel your payouts for $2610 as all your winnings were generated from money you did not authorize us to process.”.

• Obviously, I was reducing his scam to the ridiculous and thought he would realize how silly he was being. He insisted he wanted his winnings and his deposits cancelled. I was in shock.

• For clarification the form reads….”Requested monthly transfer limit. $_______ per month (IE: the maximum amount you will authorize for electronic funds transfer in any given month)”

• As you can see the wording on the form says nothing about ‘from the time we receive the form’ (Which would later turn out to be Aaron’s argument), it simply asks for the maximum amount to process in any given month.

• I asked if he had knowingly made these deposits even though he knew they would exceed his self imposed limit he said “Yes”.

• When I asked why he made the deposits if he didn’t want them he stuttered, and paused before finally saying “I don’t know…….I was just testing it out?”.

• I asked if he contacted us after his ‘Test” to let us know to cancel the wagers, he said yes. Then he thought for a moment and said he’d actually called twice but had no idea when or with whom he’d spoken. (He never called for that reason.)

• It was AFTER the two deposits for $250 a piece LOST that he called us.

• After giving him ample time to fast talk me into giving him both his deposit money back and pay his winnings, it was my turn to speak. As he was interrupting me I said in a firm, yet calm voice “Aaron, stop talking I’m speaking now”.

• He wanted to argue endlessly and try to wear me down, so eventually I told him I would not spend all night with him on the telephone as we have other customers to tend to and to email accounts@beted.com and we’d resolve things in the morning. I was not dodging his phone calls, nor did I ever hang up on Aaron.

• The payout that he later claimed was late, was in fact promised to him in 7 business days and was on day 4 at the time of his attempted fraud so I cancelled it until we actually received the funds from the checks he’d written and then reprocessed the payout as per the agreed upon decision.


Jim Mason
betED.com
jimmy@beted.com
877-772-3833
__________________
"I solve problems" Winston Wolf

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Last edited by Mason : 10-09-2007 at 06:44 PM

I wonder if it was better if Beted had not tried to "explain" what happened.

I particularly like the bit where Aaron is said to have only authirised $250 in withdrawals (in red) by saying it does not mention "from the time we receive the form" . Using Jimmys logic the best way to exploit this situation would be to make a big deposit and if it loses fill in the form for a max deposit of $1. Wagerweb will be duty bound to refund your losses as the form does not say "from the time we receive the form".

Of course this is ludicrous which is why Jimmys explanation fails.

I have to ask Beted why they ask for a maximum deposit limit, if, after they have been advised of one they ignore it.

The books write the rules, Aaron whether well intentioned or not (probably not) followed those rules.

[bigloser]

I had no interest in this thread until Beteds "explanation"

[getlowplayaz]

hopefully my withdrawal goes smooth

[Aaron644]

Hello readers,

While I realize most here will have seen right through Aaron’s confused and exaggerated post I thought I’d clarify things for everyone.

Aaron tried to get paid on his winning deposits and then get us to refund his losing deposits in a poorly crafted scam.

After hearing both sides of the story, Bill Dozer from Sportsbookreview.com agreed with how things were handled on our end and agreed betED.com should stop payment until we’d received our funds from Aaron which was the game plan from the beginning. For the record this issue was settled to everyone’s satisfaction five days ago.

The following explanation is long but for those of you scoring at home here are the actual facts……


• Aaron never spoke to me regarding what he had to do to request a payout. I’m sure he spoke to someone, but not me.

• By the time he sent us the documentation form (We had been requesting it for 21 days and he failed to comply) he had deposited and lost $250 and then deposited and won quite a bit with the next $125, for a total of $325 in deposits.

• Then he deposited $250 on two separate occasions bringing the total up to $825.

• He then called saying he had authorized only $250 a month and all deposits above that amount should be voided.

• Aaron had $2610 in pending payouts at the time and was clearly trying to get paid on his winning deposits and stiff us on his losing deposits.

• I asked him point blank…..”Do you want us to cancel all deposits over $250?” I told him to think very carefully about the answer. He said,,…“YES!!!!”.

• Then I told him, “Ok, we’ll cancel your payouts for $2610 as all your winnings were generated from money you did not authorize us to process.”.

• Obviously, I was reducing his scam to the ridiculous and thought he would realize how silly he was being. He insisted he wanted his winnings and his deposits cancelled. I was in shock.

• For clarification the form reads….”Requested monthly transfer limit. $_______ per month (IE: the maximum amount you will authorize for electronic funds transfer in any given month)”

• As you can see the wording on the form says nothing about ‘from the time we receive the form’ (Which would later turn out to be Aaron’s argument), it simply asks for the maximum amount to process in any given month.

• I asked if he had knowingly made these deposits even though he knew they would exceed his self imposed limit he said “Yes”.

• When I asked why he made the deposits if he didn’t want them he stuttered, and paused before finally saying “I don’t know…….I was just testing it out?”.

• I asked if he contacted us after his ‘Test” to let us know to cancel the wagers, he said yes. Then he thought for a moment and said he’d actually called twice but had no idea when or with whom he’d spoken. (He never called for that reason.)

• It was AFTER the two deposits for $250 a piece LOST that he called us.

• After giving him ample time to fast talk me into giving him both his deposit money back and pay his winnings, it was my turn to speak. As he was interrupting me I said in a firm, yet calm voice “Aaron, stop talking I’m speaking now”.

• He wanted to argue endlessly and try to wear me down, so eventually I told him I would not spend all night with him on the telephone as we have other customers to tend to and to email accounts@beted.com and we’d resolve things in the morning. I was not dodging his phone calls, nor did I ever hang up on Aaron.

• The payout that he later claimed was late, was in fact promised to him in 7 business days and was on day 4 at the time of his attempted fraud so I cancelled it until we actually received the funds from the checks he’d written and then reprocessed the payout as per the agreed upon decision.


Jim Mason
betED.com
jimmy@beted.com
877-772-3833
__________________
"I solve problems" Winston Wolf

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Last edited by Mason : 10-09-2007 at 06:44 PM

Been a while since I logged on and I was glad to see beted try and clarify the situation. Of course it s going to sound more amicable from his point of view. But I will go over a few things. Lots of what Jimmy says is correct. However there are some details that need explanation.

1. "Aaron tried to get paid on his winning deposits and then get us to refund his losing deposits in a poorly crafted scam."

I have no scam, I don;t do this for a living, just bet on occasion. I made some good bets that month and had a nice pot to withdrwel from. I REPEATEDLY asked operators from the site how to withdrawel my funds. In the meantime I did not place any bets untill I knew I could withdrawel money. Finally after jumping through many hoops I never had to do before, they said they were sending me my money. I was typically used to a few days turn around untill I had a check in my hand. Not being an "everyday player" I did not realize that the rules had changed. Fair enough.. I was getting my money.

BUT... To get MY MONEY THAT I HAD WON... I had to fill out forms, and one of the questions was.. "what would you like your monthy limit to be" and I answered that. THAT QUESTION WAS NOT ASKED WHEN I SIGNED UP, DEPOSITED AND STARTED USING BETED.. only AFTER when I wanted to withdrawled my funds. AFTER.

OK.. so now they have all my paper work. and the money is in process. GREAT.

Now I deposit... my NEW MONTHLY LIMIT and losses. Fair enough. I then deposited more money.. (you know how you get the itch.. and it was accpeted!) I called and said I thought I was on a limit. Whatever.. I lsot that money too. I ahd no problem with the losses, I jsut wanted to know .. why they accpeted over the limit THEY SAID I HAD TO CHOSE. They had my money.. I did not have my winnings. Thats why I contacted this site. And thank god I did find it as an amateur sports better.

2. "• Aaron never spoke to me regarding what he had to do to request a payout. I’m sure he spoke to someone, but not me. "

TRUE At first I spoke to multiple people, multiple times, then eventually I did speak to Jimmy.

3. "• By the time he sent us the documentation form (We had been requesting it for 21 days and he failed to comply) he had deposited and lost $250 and then deposited and won quite a bit with the next $125, for a total of $325 in deposits."

LIE. They never requested any inforamtion. I ahd to request from them how do I get my payout! Then I jumped through hoops.

4. "• He then called saying he had authorized only $250 a month and all deposits above that amount should be voided. "

TRUE and FALSE. I called asking WHY I was allowed to deposit over the NEW limit I agreed upon. There is NO LIMIT when you first sign up.

5. "• Aaron had $2610 in pending payouts at the time and was clearly trying to get paid on his winning deposits and stiff us on his losing deposits."

LIE. I had no problem with losing a few hundred dollars, look at my winnings. The only thing I was questioning was why I was allowed to deposit MORE MONEY then I put on a form in ORDER TO WITHDRAWEL my winnings.

6. "• I asked him point blank…..”Do you want us to cancel all deposits over $250?” I told him to think very carefully about the answer. He said,,…“YES!!!!”.

TRUE. Trick qustion, The winnings were from BEFORE I signed any forms.

7. "• I asked if he contacted us after his ‘Test” to let us know to cancel the wagers, he said yes. Then he thought for a moment and said he’d actually called twice but had no idea when or with whom he’d spoken. (He never called for that reason.)"

TRUE I did call Immediatly after they accepted funds that went beyond said budget. (got the run around)

8. "• After giving him ample time to fast talk me into giving him both his deposit money back and pay his winnings, it was my turn to speak. As he was interrupting me I said in a firm, yet calm voice “Aaron, stop talking I’m speaking now”.

TRUE AND FALSE.. Jimmy knew he controlled MY MONEY and let me know it.


That being said. I thought they had a great site, I thought you had good odds and multiple ways to deposit money. I think what we did have was a missunderstanding. Maybe Jimmy thought I was trying to hustle him.. whgich is not the case. I thought he was trying to hustle me.. which WOULD HAVE HAPPENED if not for this forum.. so I thank you again.

Jimmy, no hard feelings, you got all my losses and I got my winnings.. I wish I could still be doing business with your site .. I liked it untill that one conversation where things got escalated. In the end we both did the right things.