[jjgold]

All you do is wait for the roller to win 8 rolls in a row and then bet against him and keep doubling up. In dice they are not huge runs like in roulette where red can come out 20 times in a row. The dice game this will not happen or rarely happen and plus your are already have the odds in your favor betting the 9 consective roll. The only thing is you might be there for log periods of time and need a paper and pencil to keep track. It is a good way to grind like 60 to 80 a day.

I went last night and this happened twice and I then made my don't pass line bet on the nine roll, the first time I won on the first try and the second time on the 3rd try.

I made $200 and left.

[curious]

All you do is wait for the roller to win 8 rolls in a row and then bet against him and keep doubling up. In dice they are not huge runs like in roulette where red can come out 20 times in a row. The dice game this will not happen or rarely happen and plus your are already have the odds in your favor betting the 9 consective roll. The only thing is you might be there for log periods of time and need a paper and pencil to keep track. It is a good way to grind like 60 to 80 a day.

I went last night and this happened twice and I then made my don't pass line bet on the nine roll, the first time I won on the first try and the second time on the 3rd try.

I made $200 and left.

Yes, and if you did this while I was the shooter you would go broke. I have been playing craps for years and I have had many monster rolls. Once on a cruise ship I held the dice for 40 minutes. Another time I threw 8 sevens in a row on the passline.

This is the most ridiculous advice I have ever heard. Dice is WAY too streaky to use a martingale with.

[Stumpage]

Looks like you've discovered the secret, JJ. I imagine for years the casino establishments were trembling in wait of the Doomsday Scenario, that being the discovery of the mathematically sound "9th roll principle." I'm sure this changes everything.....

Give 'em Hell.....

[Dazzez]

This is the most ridiculous advice I have ever heard. Dice is WAY too streaky to use a martingale with.

In many circles this is known as irony.

[raiders72002]

Good advice Coach- Another trick is to sit behind a guy playing slots. If his machine is cold and he leaves, jump on in. The machine is primed to pay out.

[Justin7]

I don't say this lightly...

Craps is beatable, but it has a 3-month learning curve.

Stanford Wong (author of numerous blackjack books and "sharp sports betting) is hosting a seminar on "dice setting and controlled rolling" in Vegas in early October.

[pico]

craps is beatable, but you need to learn how to throw. takes a lot of practice. my friend practiced for 3 months, still couldn't do it right.

[Tchocky]

Dumbest post ever.

[curious]

I don't say this lightly...

Craps is beatable, but it has a 3-month learning curve.

Stanford Wong (author of numerous blackjack books and "sharp sports betting) is hosting a seminar on "dice setting and controlled rolling" in Vegas in early October.

I know Stanford Wong, he is a big bag of hot air. He switched to craps because he couldn't make any more money selling his idiotic books to blackjack players.

[curious]

all casino games are just "chance" games.

single deck blackjack dealt deeply into the deck is not a "chance" game if played by someone who is skilled.

good luck finding a game like that though.

[icemantbi]

The time it would take to play out this "strategy" I could be capping sports games and making informed bets, which has a lot bigger shot at cashing than rolling a couple dice.

I've said it before, be it slots, craps, roulette, etc... no casino game is beatable. Just poker and sports betting, (and to some extent, horses) are where your best odds of cashing are.

[Justin7]

I know Stanford Wong, he is a big bag of hot air. He switched to craps because he couldn't make any more money selling his idiotic books to blackjack players.

Wong doesn't need money... he publishes for fame.

[raiders72002]

Craps is beatable, but it has a 3-month learning curve.

How many people in the world do you think can actually do this?

Also, there is one bet that's to the players advantage. If they are closing a table down, may times you'll see this on the boats, they may say only three more rolls. Make a "come" bet.

[raiders72002]

Coach- You still using Martingale? It's the best system out there.

[jjgold]

The streaks in craps are long time wise but not winning consecutive bets on the pass line, I have been in more street games than anyone here and your lucky if you make the pass line 4 times in a row. The casino works the same way. I am going now to try again, the pain in the ass is waiting for the 8 times in a row for the roller to win on the pass line bets.

[pico]

All you do is wait for the roller to win 8 rolls in a row and then bet against him and keep doubling up. In dice they are not huge runs like in roulette where red can come out 20 times in a row. The dice game this will not happen or rarely happen and plus your are already have the odds in your favor betting the 9 consective roll. The only thing is you might be there for log periods of time and need a paper and pencil to keep track. It is a good way to grind like 60 to 80 a day.

I went last night and this happened twice and I then made my don't pass line bet on the nine roll, the first time I won on the first try and the second time on the 3rd try.

I made $200 and left.

bet the don't and double up ...wait til the shooter go on a 7-11 streak during the come out roll, then you'll be crying.

[paul Mordeeb]

Ted Forrest, One of the top Cash poker players, said he once won a Million dollars playing Poker then lost a Million on the Crap table. Must not have been patient enough to wait for the 8th pass!!!!

[gmoney641]

I really hope this post is a joke, because if you think your system will work in the long run then the joke is on you!!!

[curious]

The streaks in craps are long time wise but not winning consecutive bets on the pass line, I have been in more street games than anyone here and your lucky if you make the pass line 4 times in a row. The casino works the same way. I am going now to try again, the pain in the ass is waiting for the 8 times in a row for the roller to win on the pass line bets.

Perhaps I misunderstood. I thought you doubled up on every roll. What you mean is, I think, that you bet the don't pass. Then wait for an outcome. If you lose you double up. You are betting that no one player will beat the pass line again and again and again. Let's see how many times you can do this before you hit table limit.

A table with a limit of $100 to $5000
First Bet $100
Second bet $200
Third bet $400
Fourth bet $800
Fifth bet $1600
Sixth bet $3200
You can't double again because you are up against table limit now.

So, you are betting that no one will beat the pass line more than 6 times in a row.

But, when that lucky shooter does beat the pass line 7 times in a row you are now down $6,300. So to get even again with your $100 per shooter profit, you have to beat 63 shooters. OUCH. You better pack a lunch, your going to be at the casino a while.

[raiders72002]

When coach plays craps, the casino brings out the "cooler" to try and stop him.

[Doug]

It's just mathematically unsound, and will fail over the long-term. The only way is Wong's way, if you can learn it, or if it even can be learned.

[Doug]

The time it would take to play out this "strategy" I could be capping sports games and making informed bets, which has a lot bigger shot at cashing than rolling a couple dice.

I've said it before, be it slots, craps, roulette, etc... no casino game is beatable. Just poker and sports betting, (and to some extent, horses) are where your best odds of cashing are.

You can add Blackjack, slots can be beat under certain conditions with promos, or Progressive jackpots that are high.

[Doug]

exactly Curious, i haven't seen or heard about a single deck of black-jack in a long time, unless it was some shaddy underground game room.

Plenty of single deck in Vegas at 6-5.

3-2 at 4Queens, but limited number of tables.

[curious]

Plenty of single deck in Vegas at 6-5.

3-2 at 4Queens, but limited number of tables.

Only an idiot would play 6-5 blackjack.

[curious]

You can add Blackjack, slots can be beat under certain conditions with promos, or Progressive jackpots that are high.

Video poker with high enough progressive can be beat by a team, IF the team plays enough hands in progressives to get into the law of large numbers.

[raiders72002]

Banking slots can be beaten.

9/6 Video Poker can be beaten with perfect strategy.

[Doug]

Only an idiot would play 6-5 blackjack.

agree, a shoe game is much better than 6-5.

[curious]

Banking slots can be beaten.

9/6 Video Poker can be beaten with perfect strategy.

Yes, nothing beats grinding out that .1% profit hour after hour. LOL

[raiders72002]

curious- I just sent you a PM before I read your post above because I thought I may be able to have intelligent conversation with you on ways to beat Vegas, but obviously you don't know WTF you are talking about.

[curious]

curious- I just sent you a PM before I read your post above because I thought I may be able to have intelligent conversation with you on ways to beat Vegas, but obviously you don't know WTF you are talking about.

I was kidding crackhead.

[raiders72002]

curious- Sorry about that. That's one of the problems with Internet. I took it the wrong way. I read your PM but couldn't reply. Your box is full.

[Zeroed]

threads like this bring this forum down, bloody stupid

[bigboydan]

Actually craps is beatable.

There was a show out there called "Breaking Vegas", and it pretty much illustrated the art of setting dice.

Here was the episode they had about it on BIO:

“Dice Dominator.”


From the physics behind the flight of dice to the eight critical steps to mastering the act of tossing two dice, we reveal the true story behind Dominic LoRiggio's phenomenal rise to riches through a seemingly impossible challenge--to control the outcome of a craps game with the flick of a wrist. While most casinos laugh off the notion, LoRiggio (later known as "The Dominator" and "The Man with the Golden Arm") knows that practice makes perfect and sets out to prove them wrong. First, he hooks up with dice-control master Chris Pawlicki--founder of "Rosebud", the first team approach to craps ever attempted--and soon becomes their ace player. But LoRiggio grows dissatisfied with the team's approach to small-but-steady winnings. In 2003, he partners with Frank Scoblete, another player with a penchant for big bets and bigger wins. When LoRiggio defies the odds and dominates the dice at table after table, however, the casinos vow to stop him....no matter what.